GDT: 2017 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

[Unsustainable]

Um... which definition of the word?

Lol.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I am proud to unveil... Raleigh Master Plan 2020!

That's the whole city.

I think Rod would veto that. Seems like a lot of walking to get from the arena or ballpark to where there is other nightlife.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think Rod would veto that. Seems like a lot of walking to get from the arena or ballpark to where there is other nightlife.

This visualization doesn't show the pneumatic tubes. Rest assured, they are included in the budget estimate.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I think we need to go more vertical. I've got my people on it.

 

[Lempo]

I think we need to go more vertical. I've got my people on it.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

 

[garnetpalmetto]

I am proud to unveil... Raleigh Master Plan 2020!

That's the whole city.

The approach into the new RDU would be nothing short of heart-stopping and would rival the old approaches into Hong Kong's Kai Tak Airport.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's not so bad after the pilots learn to fly sideways through the skyscraper canyon, Milennium Falcon style.

 

[Roboturner913]

This visualization doesn't show the pneumatic tubes. Rest assured, they are included in the budget estimate.

Yeah, but what if a really big person gets in, and the human equivalent of this happens?

 

[Lempo]

Yeah, but what if a really big person gets in, and the human equivalent of this happens?

They send some kids in to open the blockage, like in The Simpsons.



edit: oh. I didn't watch the video and just assumed there was a blockage. Now I watched. There wasn't, then.

Well. The protests against the discriminatory laws of physics are going to be epic, at least. "Gary gets to ride the tube! Gary gets to ride the tube!" Whoooooosh! FLATAM! "Oh."

 

[Roboturner913]

This sounds like the cold opening of a Final Destination movie set in like 2045.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Aaaaaand welcome to the offseason.

 

[Lempo]

Oh come on... you give us the Pneumat-Oob™ and then try play innocent when it all inevitably starts to go horribly wrong. Blood and the mash that used to be Fat Gary is in your hands too.

 

[HisIceness]

I don't think Raleigh needs to build a Downtown arena. If the powers that be could do so, a shopping/entertainment district like Glendale has could be the ticket. Unfortunately I doubt we see that being the arena is right there with the football stadium and the fairgrounds. Just not enough useable land to build on.

Downtown arenas are not as common as you guys might think. I know off the top of my head, the San Antonio Spurs play in a older part of town next to a rodeo coliseum. Not in Downtown where the famous Riverwalk and the Alamo are located. All of the Philadelphia teams play in an area south of DT Philly, right off a major expressway. We all know about Glendale. The Detroit Pistons played in Auburn Hills and Pontiac for something like 40 years. The Seattle Sonics played in a neighborhood for 40 years. The Florida Panthers play in Broward County.

The point is, yes a DT Arena would be nice. But it's also not the end all be all that so many proclaim. It can be done in suburban/exurban areas. In our case, it makes sense. If Raleigh wasn't tied in with Durham and Chapel Hill, I'm positive the Canes would be playing in DT Raleigh but because the city is part of a 3-city metro, it's a good compromise for all 3.

 

[Roboturner913]

Oh come on... you give us the Pneumat-Oob™ and then try play innocent when it all inevitably starts to go horribly wrong. Blood and the mash that used to be Fat Gary is in your hands too.

 

[cptjeff]

I don't think Raleigh needs to build a Downtown arena. If the powers that be could do so, a shopping/entertainment district like Glendale has could be the ticket. Unfortunately I doubt we see that being the arena is right there with the football stadium and the fairgrounds. Just not enough useable land to build on.

Downtown arenas are not as common as you guys might think. I know off the top of my head, the San Antonio Spurs play in a older part of town next to a rodeo coliseum. Not in Downtown where the famous Riverwalk and the Alamo are located. All of the Philadelphia teams play in an area south of DT Philly, right off a major expressway. We all know about Glendale. The Detroit Pistons played in Auburn Hills and Pontiac for something like 40 years. The Seattle Sonics played in a neighborhood for 40 years. The Florida Panthers play in Broward County.

The point is, yes a DT Arena would be nice. But it's also not the end all be all that so many proclaim. It can be done in suburban/exurban areas. In our case, it makes sense. If Raleigh wasn't tied in with Durham and Chapel Hill, I'm positive the Canes would be playing in DT Raleigh but because the city is part of a 3-city metro, it's a good compromise for all 3.

And as somebody who used to come in to games from Greensboro, easy and quick access to 40 is really helpful for a lot of fans. North Carolina is not a dense state, and the Canes don't just serve Raleigh. I don't think a downtown arena would work well at all for the Canes. I love the Verizon Center and its centrality here in DC, but we also have a major subway network here, and nobody drives. Downtown arenas are much harder to pull off in places where nearly everybody drives everywhere, and much less effective at placemaking. The Verizon Center transformed the area its in because everybody emerges from the metro on foot, and can wander around the restaurants and bars. If you're driving to the parking deck, going to a game, then getting back in your car and driving home, the only effect that has on the area is way more traffic than any downtown area can handle, which chokes out any other development.

Every market is different. Downtown arenas work for some cities and fanbases beautifully. I don't think it would work for the Canes.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

The approach into the new RDU would be nothing short of heart-stopping and would rival the old approaches into Hong Kong's Kai Tak Airport.

how old is that top photo

i do not think canadian has been an airline for like 20 years

 

[tarheelhockey]

how old is that top photo

i do not think canadian has been an airline for like 20 years

That photo's from last week. They were finally got out of a delay in Atlanta.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

That photo's from last week. They were finally got out of a delay in Atlanta.

har har

also ur adopted team better not **** up tomorrow

 

[tarheelhockey]

har har

also ur adopted team better not **** up tomorrow

Ron Hainsey OT goal incoming

 

[NotOpie]

Basically my point is, these projects don't drive entertainment districts. What remade uptown Charlotte was the fact that they got a Harris Teeter, the fact that they built actual urban parks, the light rail making it possible to move in and out of the district without a car, and alllll the condo development that followed those additions. Bringing people into the district for 4 hours to eat a meal, watch a game, and then leave has very little impact on long term development. It's the 24/7, live-work-play development which packs a punch, and that doesn't come from throwing up a big arena project for concerts and hockey games.

For comparison, the Strip District in Pittsburgh might be the closest to Nashville for having a place to walk to around and have a night life after a game.

Iceness beat me too it, but Raleigh's default entertainment area is the Glenwood South area. Very walkable and multiple blocks of bars, restaurants, and shops. But that area is just too close to major residential areas....but NC State students could walk to B-Ball games.

And as somebody who used to come in to games from Greensboro, easy and quick access to 40 is really helpful for a lot of fans. North Carolina is not a dense state, and the Canes don't just serve Raleigh. I don't think a downtown arena would work well at all for the Canes. I love the Verizon Center and its centrality here in DC, but we also have a major subway network here, and nobody drives. Downtown arenas are much harder to pull off in places where nearly everybody drives everywhere, and much less effective at placemaking. The Verizon Center transformed the area its in because everybody emerges from the metro on foot, and can wander around the restaurants and bars. If you're driving to the parking deck, going to a game, then getting back in your car and driving home, the only effect that has on the area is way more traffic than any downtown area can handle, which chokes out any other development.

Every market is different. Downtown arenas work for some cities and fanbases beautifully. I don't think it would work for the Canes.

The inability to do more to expand the Hurricanes drawing ability to some of the closer cities is something I hope the team addresses very, very soon. There are lots of options to make it more palatable. However, I"m not sure that access to downtown Raleigh off of I40 is that difficult. The big issue is its about 20 more minutes from those coming from Chapel Hill, Durham, and points west.

Having worked across the street from the Verizon Center for about 3 years, I can attest to everything that you said....but of course, it is also in the center of Chinatown and across the street from the Reynolds portrait gallery. There was already quite a bit of built in draw to that part of DC.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Ron Hainsey OT goal incoming

lirl

this would be hilarious

i hope he scores from behind his own net like he did against toronto two years ago or whenever it was

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Iceness beat me too it, but Raleigh's default entertainment area is the Glenwood South area. Very walkable and multiple blocks of bars, restaurants, and shops. But that area is just too close to major residential areas....but NC State students could walk to B-Ball games.

This is just not true anymore. It was true five years ago.

 

[RodTheBawd]

This is just not true anymore. It was true five years ago.

Glenwood still draws a ******** more people than the Capital District, if that's what you're referring to, due entirely to college kids. I myself don't touch Glenwood (other than the Beer Garden), since the CD is much nicer and an older demo now.

 

[DaleCooper]

Downtown arenas are not as common as you guys might think. I know off the top of my head, the San Antonio Spurs play in a older part of town next to a rodeo coliseum. Not in Downtown where the famous Riverwalk and the Alamo are located. All of the Philadelphia teams play in an area south of DT Philly, right off a major expressway. We all know about Glendale. The Detroit Pistons played in Auburn Hills and Pontiac for something like 40 years. The Seattle Sonics played in a neighborhood for 40 years. The Florida Panthers play in Broward County.

When is the last time a basketball or hockey arena was built outside of an urban neighborhood? It's 2003 in the NHL for Arizona (largely deemed a major failure) and before that 1999 for our very own ESA. 10 of the last 11 NHL arenas have been built in urban areas.

In the NBA it's the AT&T Center in San Antonio in 2002. Prior to that you have to go all the way back to Wells Fargo Center in 1996 (which is a borderline case to me because it is actually near some dense neighborhoods and has a subway station) and 1988 with The Palace of Auburn Hills. 24 of the last 26 arenas were built in urban areas (25 if you count Wells Fargo).

The era of the suburban arena is dead for now. Even if the team wanted it I highly doubt you'd get it through the city planning commission. For better or worse (better IMO), that is the way things are trending for the foreseeable future. It's the existing location or near downtown for the Canes.