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There's really nothing that stands out about Kempe other than whenever he decides to turn on the jets. He's not even a consistent scoring threat in the minors.

Drouin has an elite skill set on offense: the hands, the shot, the passes, the vision. He's 22 and just posted a 53-point campaign. After the drama he dealt with the year prior, he came back and scored 14 points in 17 playoff games.

If Yzerman got drunk and settled for Muzzin, you pull the trigger and find a replacement dman in the free agent market.

The Kings need this.

 
lexlavender said:
We're willing to pay 7m for Drouin, but 6 mil for Toffoli a travesty? Like, I understand that Drouin is lightyears more offensively talented than Top Titty, but he scored like 53 points last season. Toffoli scored 58 points and over 30 goals just two seasons ago.

I'm ALL for Muzzin+ for Drouin, I think its a really good hockey trade, but if he's demanding 7mil+, I'd say that probably isn't worth it.
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Drouin would be crazy to ask for 7 million. He's immensely talented, but he's had 1 decent year and should be looking at a bridge deal similar to Toffoli's first extension. And Toffoli would be crazy to ask for 6 million after last season. I'd be happy in anywhere in the range of 4-5 million for Toffoli and Drouin shouldn't get more than that.

If it takes Muzzin and Kempe, I would do it. I think we need to hold onto the 1st this year. I wouldn't give it up to get rid of Brown or Gaborik. I'd consider Gaborik, but not Brown.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
There's really nothing that stands out about Kempe other than whenever he decides to turn on the jets. He's not even a consistent scoring threat in the minors.

Drouin has an elite skill set on offense: the hands, the shot, the passes, the vision. He's 22 and just posted a 53-point campaign. After the drama he dealt with the year prior, he came back and scored 14 points in 17 playoff games.

If Yzerman got drunk and settled for Muzzin, you pull the trigger and find a replacement dman in the free agent market.

The Kings need this.

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People compare him to Pearson, but I just don't get it. Pearson had awesome numbers when the Kings drafted him. I get that Kempe played in a big boys league and Pearson was an overager, but still, weak numbers.

Can you imagine the Kings having Pearson, Toffoli, and Drouin on the wings in the Top 6? Lethal! Factor in a possibly healthy Gaborik and that would be sexy.
 
I think we will be fortunate if Kempe becomes a consistent 20-goal scorer in the NHL.

I'd love Drouin's skill set on this team. Really, really hate the AHL issue he had though.

Not a DL player but screams Rob Blake ;)
 
BigKing said:
I think we will be fortunate if Kempe becomes a consistent 20-goal scorer in the NHL.

I'd love Drouin's skill set on this team. Really, really hate the AHL issue he had though.

Not a DL player but screams Rob Blake ;)
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I'LL take a guess and say he was given bad advice by his agent and his group, trying to get Tampa to blink. Didn't work.
 
Given the Kings' luck, watch the Ducks land him somehow and see Drouin become a King killer. I fret at the thought of him being dealt to a division rival and see him make Kings dmen look stupid. Like he's done to other Western Conference teams in these examples...



I remember when Kopitar used to score goals like that.

For those who wonder about his effort level...




I can't think of the last time the Kings had a winger as skilled as Drouin is. He is an exceptional talent, and the Kings would be very fortunate to land a player with that skill level.
 
I do think that Blake is going to do something relatively big.

No way they roll in to next year with basically the same lineup that ended the season and just say "it's okay because new coach and Quick all season".

They also seem to be firmly in "win now" mode so that 1st could be gone if it gives Blake flexibility to bring someone in.

Let's pretend that you can get Drouin for Muzzin straight up. Need cap space for a Drouin extension etc. You trade Brown + the 1st to get rid of the $5.9MM cap hit. So $10MM goes out while Toffoli and Drouin eat that up.

Are the Kings better? Well, Drouin is certainly better than Brown at this point and moving forward. Part of getting Drouin involves giving up the 1st...will LA get someone better than Drouin at #11? Probably not.

I wish Brown could be a King for his entire career but wow is that cap hit horrific. I am not in favor of moving the 1st to get rid of the contract unless there are some accompanying moves being made of the Drouin caliber.
 
BigKing said:
I think we will be fortunate if Kempe becomes a consistent 20-goal scorer in the NHL.

I'd love Drouin's skill set on this team. Really, really hate the AHL issue he had though.

Not a DL player but screams Rob Blake ;)
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Kempe reminds me a lot of Craig Johnson...
 
BigKing said:
I do think that Blake is going to do something relatively big.

No way they roll in to next year with basically the same lineup that ended the season and just say "it's okay because new coach and Quick all season".

They also seem to be firmly in "win now" mode so that 1st could be gone if it gives Blake flexibility to bring someone in.

Let's pretend that you can get Drouin for Muzzin straight up. Need cap space for a Drouin extension etc. You trade Brown + the 1st to get rid of the $5.9MM cap hit. So $10MM goes out while Toffoli and Drouin eat that up.

Are the Kings better? Well, Drouin is certainly better than Brown at this point and moving forward. Part of getting Drouin involves giving up the 1st...will LA get someone better than Drouin at #11? Probably not.

I wish Brown could be a King for his entire career but wow is that cap hit horrific. I am not in favor of moving the 1st to get rid of the contract unless there are some accompanying moves being made of the Drouin caliber.
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Not sure if it'll come via trade. He did say that he wanted to continue to build from the back end out which means they'll be strengthening the defense, not weakening it. He also said he expects to be a huge player via free agency and Rosen suggested that Blake could make a huge splash in free agency. That's where I think they look to fix the offense rather than through trade.
 
Maynard said:
Geez man. At least give him a little more time to prove his uselessness before you invoke Craig Johnson. That name should be word filtered.
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Lol.... I was wondering if anyone remembered him..
Kempe actually has a high floor, think more 15-18 goals per. and he sure does have lots of chemistry with Brodzinski so they should both start on the 3rd line....
Also, everyone wants Drouin buy what about Thornton for 2 years at $4 mill per if possible ... Just a suggestion, he's still a playmaker and would do wonders for TP and TT... Plus Carter on Kopitar's wing could be what he needs ...
Kane-Kopitar-Carter
Pearson-Thornton-Toffoli
Brown-Kempe-Brodzinski
Clifford-Shore-Nolan
Place Gabby on LTIR, when he returns the make some more moves...
Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-LaDue
Gravel-Fantenberg
McNabb
Quick
Campell
I think LV goes with Dowd..and move Lewis forba pick .... BTW, I know thats a pretty bad defensive corps but if we want more offense our defense will be sacrificed ...
 
Brown + 11th to Vegas for ?

Drouin for Muzzin + draftpick

Then we get some capspace. Don't like giving up 11th overfall though...
 
The whole fiasco with Drouin screams to me meddling agent. I agree with kingsfan28, it's almost always ****** advice from an agent or family member with players this age.

Toffoli, Pearson, and Drouin should be able to pot 20 each at least. Pencil in Carter around 30 and Kopitar around 18 and you don't even need the bottom 6 to score a ton, just don't **** the bed and smother the opposition.

Realistically I don't even see Kempe as a 15 goal scorer the more I watch him.

I don't have any problems trading the 1st round pick for the right player. Let's say you trade Muzzin and Kempe for Drouin and then trade the 1st for a cost controlled defenseman that could thrive under Stevens and be stable next to Doughty. I'd make that trade. Sure as hell wouldn't do it for a rental, nor have I thought Blake would.

Whoever you get at 11 won't make an impact for probably 4-5 years and even then who knows what they'll become. Could be a total bust, wouldn't be the first time for the Kings to strikeout in the 1st round and most of these folks are still in the organization.

If you could negotiate the framework for an extension with Drouin I make that deal. Something like 7 years/36.75 million. I wouldn't hesitate to make that deal.

All options should be on the table and given all the smoke, I think they are. I think we're in for a busy few weeks.
 
Mayor seems to think if the Kings don't give up Ladue, who he he is really high on, or the 1st or Brodzinski, you make the deal.

If the Kings deal Muzzin, the defense takes another hit.

Doughty-Forbort
LaDue-Martinez
McNabb-Gravel
MacDermid

Kings will have then lost Scuderi, Greene, Mitchell, Regehr, Voynov and Muzzin.

According to hockeysfuture, of our top 10 propsects, only 3 are D; Clague, MacDermid, and Moverare.

Not saying I don't like he Drouin deal but it leaves the D weak both in NHL and system.
 
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A lot of this hinges on what we think of Muzzin. He was trash last year. If that's the type of play we're going to get from him moving forward then you absolutely make this deal.

Drouin could potentially be the most skilled winger we've had since Palffy. He's also not going to get 7M/year on an RFA deal.
 
I like Muzzin a lot, but he can be replaced by bridge defencemen until the development system picks up steam again. I mentioned a guy like Kulikov could be a bounce back candidate yesterday.

A player like Drouin is much harder to find, in comparison. I think this is a trigger you pull.
 
Also would love to see a cap dump scenario to Vegas where we send NEXT year's 1st, not 2017. Remember seeing a rumour in the last week that there was a discussion between Vegas and somebody centered around that.

Losing next year's 1st and Brown would be more palatable, personally. I think Gaborik should be the one to go but hey, its possible Vegas won't agree with me. We'll take what we can get.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Mayor seems to think if the Kings don't give up Ladue, who he he is really high on, or the 1st or Brodzinski, you make the deal.

If the Kings deal Muzzin, the defense takes another hit.

Doughty-Forbort
LaDue-Martinez
McNabb-Gravel
MacDermid

Kings will have then lost Scuderi, Greene, Mitchell, Regehr, Voynov and Muzzin.

According to hockeysfuture, of our top 10 propsects, only 3 are D; Clague, MacDermid, and Moverare.

Not saying I don't like he Drouin deal but it leaves the D weak both in NHL and system.
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Oscar Fantenberg probably makes the team. 25 years old and has played on the Swedish National Team, coming off 2 standout seasons...this past one an AllStar in the KHL in Russia.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2017/05/02/scouting-report-recent-signee-oscar-fantenberg/
 
Reclamation Project said:
People compare him to Pearson, but I just don't get it. Pearson had awesome numbers when the Kings drafted him. I get that Kempe played in a big boys league and Pearson was an overager, but still, weak numbers.

Can you imagine the Kings having Pearson, Toffoli, and Drouin on the wings in the Top 6? Lethal! Factor in a possibly healthy Gaborik and that would be sexy.
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I would cry. I think Tampa would also ask for Kempe which would blow since we are weak in the center position.
 
Cruel11 said:
I would cry. I think Tampa would also ask for Kempe which would blow since we are weak in the center position.
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You would still have Dowd/Lewis and maybe Shore(UFA) on the bottom 6 with the likelihood Michael Amadio forces his way onto the team..... Although I really do like the chemistry between Kempe/Brodz..
 
Johnny Utah said:
Mayor seems to think if the Kings don't give up Ladue, who he he is really high on, or the 1st or Brodzinski, you make the deal.

If the Kings deal Muzzin, the defense takes another hit.

Doughty-Forbort
LaDue-Martinez
McNabb-Gravel
MacDermid

Kings will have then lost Scuderi, Greene, Mitchell, Regehr, Voynov and Muzzin.

According to hockeysfuture, of our top 10 propsects, only 3 are D; Clague, MacDermid, and Moverare.

Not saying I don't like he Drouin deal but it leaves the D weak both in NHL and system.
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Doughty - Forbort
LaDue - Martinez ... I kinda like this pairing, very intriguing
Fantenberg - Gravel ... Gravel will put up Borts stats if allowed to play his game
McNabb...... Greene (LTIR)
 
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