Quick's injury was extra big due to him being a lockerroom guy and I doubt he tolerates that kind of attitude on the team. He hates losing for any reason.
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Quick's injury was extra big due to him being a lockerroom guy and I doubt he tolerates that kind of attitude on the team. He hates losing for any reason.
BigKing
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I was completely joking about wanting to reverse the Richards trade. I've always been adamant that I wouldn't change anything except cutting him loose after '14.
It's pointless to say "They would have Carter centering Simmonds" since you can't say the Kings would still obtain Carter. Of course, Carter was unhappy with CBJ and was thrilled to come to LA and play with Richards.
I have no issue with anyone wanting to say Richards was overrated on HF due to "Cannon" and whatnot, but there is too much post-2013 Richards memories clouding some posters judgment. That and a healthy dose of being a big Wayne Simmonds fan which I completely understand since he is still one of my favorite players in the league EASILY.
It's pointless to say "They would have Carter centering Simmonds" since you can't say the Kings would still obtain Carter. Of course, Carter was unhappy with CBJ and was thrilled to come to LA and play with Richards.
I have no issue with anyone wanting to say Richards was overrated on HF due to "Cannon" and whatnot, but there is too much post-2013 Richards memories clouding some posters judgment. That and a healthy dose of being a big Wayne Simmonds fan which I completely understand since he is still one of my favorite players in the league EASILY.
deeshamrock
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GOrd Miller is just one of many media guys, from TSN, SPortsnet, etc. spinning his thoughts. It doesn't mean it will happen just about every team has a 'dustin brown' type contract they are trying to unload.
And McPHee said he's getting bombarded by offers, and the price will be high.
I'd rather keep Brown and the #11. The kings have to stop losing draft picks. Brown could have a good year under Stevens and with a new system. That might be easier to move next summer.
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Basically anyone who played in the World Cup, plus Toffoli, had a down and/or injured season. Death by a thousand cuts.
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I'd much rather trade Gaborik+11th OA than Brown+11th OA at this point.
Gaborik is done. At least Dustin Brown is still a serviceable 2nd/3rd line checking winger.
Gaborik is done. At least Dustin Brown is still a serviceable 2nd/3rd line checking winger.
Meh. Gaborik looked fine at the WC, that was only what, 10 months ago? If he's hurt, cap relief is there. If he's healthy, he's not so terrible its worth giving up a good first for. Might as well just see what happens with him.
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I couldn't disagree more. He floated the entire year and is useless if he's not scoring. I keep brown over gaborik easily and would give up the pick to unload his awful contract.
BigKing
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I still think that if there were issues with the players and Sutter, Gaborik would be front and center as one of those players.
With that being said, I believe Gaborik could bounce back next season by getting in a good summer and not starting the year injured. Of course, he is already hurt so my expectations are low now.
With that being said, I believe Gaborik could bounce back next season by getting in a good summer and not starting the year injured. Of course, he is already hurt so my expectations are low now.
Do either of you believe things would have been different had Quick been healthy for the season?
kingsboy11
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I concur. Brown is over paid by like 1.5-2 million and can still play. Gaborik is injury prone and when he's not scoring he's worthless.
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I don't want to speak for either of those posters, but personally, I think Quick maybe gives them 10 extra points and maybe pushes them into a playoff spot. After that, I don't see how the team would find any real success in the post season. The body language of the team from game 1 screamed that they no longer bought in to Sutter. They looked emotionless right off the bat and lacked urgency for 7 months.
This is me speculating, but I think Gaborik had micro fracture surgery, which may help but it may not. Tough surgery for an athlete to have.
I'd be willing to do that. Drouin would be a huge addition.
Unless we have something planned already with the CAP space rather not move #11 with either Brown/Gaborik. With another year and a new coach will be easier to move. Also love the guys available at #11 this year, especially compared to the prior years around the #. Draft may lack the generational or franchise player like past draft, but the early/mid 1st round is as good as any recent draft imo.
While I agree to it being better to move Gaborik there is a decent chance another injury or something happens and he can just be LTIR. It is an "if" yet really that unrealistic to believe?
I would not trade Kempe.
If I was the Kings, I would do everything I can to land Drouin without giving up a 1st OR Kempe.
If I was the Kings, I would do everything I can to land Drouin without giving up a 1st OR Kempe.
AlphaBravo
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Any trade involving Drouin would require Blake being given permission to talk to Drouin to see if he is even interested in playing for the Kings. I think if he has interest, we should be able to shell out the money to meet his demands. With Muzzin's $4 million cap hit going back the other way, we would just have to find up to $3 million in space to meet his needs (if he demands up to $7MM a year), which is not hard to do.
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Who replaces Muzzin? Another 7 million dollar contract? Where does the 3 million come from, another player that needs to be replaced? Too much both ways, wouldn't do it.
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Quick is the motor of this team. Every night he brings it unlike the supposed "veterans" everyone talks about who can't bother to show up in November and December. Quick is a constant, he always delivers. Most intense player on this team by a country mile.
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Totally agree on this. He is so intense and fiery and seems to keep the players in check. To me he is like having another captain on the team.
I would like to see all players get a fresh start with the new coaching staff in place and a healthy team to start the year. It is not as if we have to shared contracts this year to keep a player like Doughty.
Are a big next step this summer is to sign Toffoli and there is money left to easily do that.
The expansion draft will not hurt us too bad as we keep our stud in net, six very capable defenseman due to the fact that LaDue and Gravel are except and cheap.
Yes we have to fix the forward core and acquire a top six player. I know everybody seems to want to trade Muzzin but I hope the Kings keep him and Pair with him back with Doughty for a true top pairing 25 minute a night tandem. Doughty is our best player and if it's Muzzin that brings out the best in him it should not be a second thought.
There are a Ton of rumors out there as there are every year and it will be interesting to see what the new hierarchy does to fill holes. Instead of trading off or talented defense I would be concentrating on getting rid of the Clifford's of the world has no bottom. Player should make over league minimum unless they bring certain intangible that is hard to find. Clifford does not.
Exchanging Clifford for a cheaper role player and putting greene on LTIRor freeze up $3.5 million alone
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If we were to deal Muzzin to upgrade the offense, I'd take a flyer on Dmitri Kulikov for a couple seasons. Mitchell-lite reclamation project scenario.
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It would suck to trade Muzzin, but I do it for a resigned Drouin.Greene needs to retire already and make a deal with LVK to take Gabs.Trade Clifford,Andy Andy for picks.
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We're willing to pay 7m for Drouin, but 6 mil for Toffoli a travesty? Like, I understand that Drouin is lightyears more offensively talented than Top Titty, but he scored like 53 points last season. Toffoli scored 58 points and over 30 goals just two seasons ago.
I'm ALL for Muzzin+ for Drouin, I think its a really good hockey trade, but if he's demanding 7mil+, I'd say that probably isn't worth it.
I'm ALL for Muzzin+ for Drouin, I think its a really good hockey trade, but if he's demanding 7mil+, I'd say that probably isn't worth it.
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Which would be the reason Vegas wouldn't want Gaborik over Brown. If they were going to buy out whoever they got(and I don't know why Vegas would go with dead cap space right off the bat), they can't buy Gaborik out because he's hurt. If they were going to keep the guy, Brown is currently the more effective player. Beggars have a tough time with the choosing.
It would be nice to say yes, but they missed the playoffs in 14-15 with Quick playing 72 games. That said, Quick has to make some sort of a difference, right? They missed the playoffs by 8 points this year, so that's 4 wins. Are there at least 4 or 5 games where Quick could've made a difference over Budaj, or Zatkoff? Probably. That one big save Quick might make to keep a game 2-2 going into OT, or keep a 3-2 lead, or keep the team within a goal at 3-2 with a chance to tie it up. Not that Quick isn't susceptible to a bad goal at a bad time.
KingsFan7824
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He's not giving up free money. LTIR to start the year if he's too hurt, that's the best you'll get.
When the hell has that ever been the case for more than 15-20 games at a time? Dude is already hurt and going to miss the start of the season.
Why? I thought your ***** for 3rd and 4th liners was only for guys that can fight?
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I'd seriously consider it. Kempe is grossly overrated. Would have to negotiate with Drouin and his agent before a deal is executed though.
Regardless, Blake is working the phones and I love it.
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