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kingsboy11
Champions Again
bouncesonly
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lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Where do I sign? The cap doesn't work out for the Kings, but that would fill two key holes for the Kings.
Real Smart Sens Fan
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It wouldn't make sense to trade Carter for anything else than a young, cost controlled scorer and a high pick.
johnjm22
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I don't know. Look at what the Ducks got for Ryan. I'm saying we should actively explore the market for Carter while he still has high value. If the deal isn't there, then so be it.
This reminds me somewhat of Visnovsky circa 06/07. Lubo was getting a bit older, but was at the top of his game, and signed to a ludicrously low cap hit. Lombardi was getting great trade offers for him. Instead of moving him, DL decided to retain him. Then his game eventually slipped and he was traded when he his value was at a lower point rather than a high point.
The same thing is probably going to happen with Carter.
AlphaBravo
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Sure, there is no harm in asking around to see what any player on the Kings can fetch. That's a given. But the trades you describe are in a long-gone era. Now every team wants fast and skilled prospects and young players that are under 25. Even 25-35 year olds are considered too old in this league. That's why I don't see Carter fetching what we would want in a deal (high pick and/or top 6 forward prospect).
The only teams I can see wanting Carter are teams that are missing one piece from being a contender. But those teams don't perform poorly enough to have valuable draft picks or prospects.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Probably splitting hairs but to be clear, the Sens traded for a 26 year old Bobby Ryan who had just come off an injury-shortened season but scored 30 goals 4 years in a row. Carter is awesome, but that's a 5 year difference, and what they got back looks great now but was hardly a guarantee a few years ago--Silfverberg, Noesen, and what became Richie looks great in retrospect but it WAS a lot of question marks vs. a guy who was a multiple time 30 goaler.
I'm still sure we could get the same type of haul for Carter, but doubt the current management is interested in doing it, and even then, we could get three bust prospects back instead of anything of substance. Trading Carter is a rebuild move imo, not a retool move, unless you're magically getting back a 2C 8 years his junior, sort of a bizarro-Weber-for-Subban trade.
Ziggy Stardust
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KingsOfCali25
Start up the Tank!
Watching what Nashville has done this year in the playoffs; makes me think that the Kings can still be a cup contender. They just need to inject some skilled youth in the lineup and they should be good. They have a goalie thats on fire, a good young defense, and an average skilled offense. Almost identical to what LA has minus the skilled offense. But LA isnt that far off.
Ziggy Stardust
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They've drafted extremely well, which has in turn also allowed them to acquire some big pieces over the years by adding the likes of Johansen, Subban, Neal, Forsberg, etc.
The Kings don't have many options coming up who can fill two top six roles or play top 3 minutes on the blueline, so it might take some time, but the pieces are certainly there.
With the right moves, they could go on another deep run, but that is also dependent on players pulling their weight and performing at least up to or beyond their expectations.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
They really are 2012 Kingsing it but their offensive depth has to come up bigger. What was it, 10 different Preds with a GWG? Sissons' hat trick is like Dwight King's 2012 WCF. You need the roster, but you also need the magic.
Legionnaire
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Ziggy Stardust
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What? Did you think they didn't watch the games?
It's reassuring to see that someone in the staff has functioning vision and they could see how much of a liability the Muffin was this season.
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Butch 19
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Well, look at it this way--Nashville is succeeding with a bit of an LA Model: build from the back end out. Forward depth is getting it done and not because they have guys that are good with Crosby forcing them down the lineup, guys are just coming up big and winning their battles. And their D, of course, is uber-talented. Don't get me wrong, I don't think our d-core touches theirs right now--I think you'd have to clone Doughty to be the complement--but they're showing it's not raw forward skill and skating that's winning.
Ziggy Stardust
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Also shows that Nashville has done quite well at the draft table, without having the luxury of having a number of high draft selections and have hit some home runs outside of the first round.
KINGS17
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...and yet it is the consensus here this is the direction the Kings must go, even though they don't have the personnel to back it up.
I think Blake will somewhat stay the course, because he recognizes the depth on defense is still the team's strength, even though as you say it doesn't even come close to what Nashville has on the blue line, which is why the Kings are not and will not be contenders.
So, according to most here we need a complete retooling up front to win with better skating and more skill, but the Kings don't need a rebuild. Okay.
KINGS17
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WHOneedsSOX
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It wouldn't surprise me to see him moved this summer. There was no chance of that with Lombardi since I think he preferred Muzzin over Martinez but in my opinion, I think Blake would value Martinez over Muzzin. Not as good of a defender but he fits the "new" style of the NHL better and is slightly more consistent.
careful with that kind of attitude around here, someone might call you a homer for having a shred of optimism.
Ziggy Stardust
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I tend to think someone who doesn't have the backbone to call things as they really are (like Jim Fox and his excuses) fits the description of homer.
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