2017 Offseason Thread 5.0 Summer Doldrums

[King'sPawn]

Yeah hes probably one of the most physical defenseman in the league. Fighting is a bad idea, but i know there are fans like you that really like it.

K17 and I haven't seen eye to eye on a lot of things, but you're coming off as being stubborn or deliberately dense to weaken his point.

Doughty doesn't have to fight to respond to what Tkachuk did. But as a core player, he has an implied responsibility of helping give the team a pulse. He throws a fit if he gets mistreated or a bad call, but in an emotionally charged incident involving another player, he lacks the same energy.

With Tkachuk, he was the target. But his long term response to it was just playing the game and not send a message to Tkachuk or Calgary.

If Doughty's only emotional response to anything is a heat of the moment involving him, that's a problem. If Doughty feels Prust is needed for grit and leadership instead of providing it himself, that's a problem.

He doesn't have to fight. But the team would benefit from him standing up for himself and others outside of the occasional immediate tantrum.

 

[member 88115]

Why would you want Doughty fighting? He sucks at at it & is probably our best player on the team. Everyone has a role on the team and fighting is not Doughtys' job. Everyone knew Tka-turtle wanted Doughty, but avoided Andy/Clifford. Doughty probably feels Prust would bring the old school thought of "f-it i don't care if my coach gets pissed at me. I am going after that little turd."

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Tkachuk incident was just a microcosm of the lack of team toughness in action. I agree Doughty could have done more. But does anyone remember when Tkachuk ALSO elbowed Carter? Tkachuk should not have left the game with the Doughty incident without a LOT of bruises but instead he was still taking huge runs at Drew. Kid has brass balls and punked the Kings all over the ice for the rest of the season no matter what I think of his actions being dirty. i WISH we had a guy playing with that kind of mentality, like young Dustin Brown.

 

[Rusty Batch]

K17 and I haven't seen eye to eye on a lot of things, but you're coming off as being stubborn or deliberately dense to weaken his point.

Doughty doesn't have to fight to respond to what Tkachuk did. But as a core player, he has an implied responsibility of helping give the team a pulse. He throws a fit if he gets mistreated or a bad call, but in an emotionally charged incident involving another player, he lacks the same energy.

With Tkachuk, he was the target. But his long term response to it was just playing the game and not send a message to Tkachuk or Calgary.

If Doughty's only emotional response to anything is a heat of the moment involving him, that's a problem. If Doughty feels Prust is needed for grit and leadership instead of providing it himself, that's a problem.

He doesn't have to fight. But the team would benefit from him standing up for himself and others outside of the occasional immediate tantrum.

Honestly tough to read this whole post, but I don't want Doughty fighting. I understand some of you do. Seems silly.

 

[KINGS17]

Honestly tough to read this whole post, but I don't want Doughty fighting. I understand some of you do. Seems silly.

Why?

 

[kingsboy11]

K17 and I haven't seen eye to eye on a lot of things, but you're coming off as being stubborn or deliberately dense to weaken his point.

Doughty doesn't have to fight to respond to what Tkachuk did. But as a core player, he has an implied responsibility of helping give the team a pulse. He throws a fit if he gets mistreated or a bad call, but in an emotionally charged incident involving another player, he lacks the same energy.

With Tkachuk, he was the target. But his long term response to it was just playing the game and not send a message to Tkachuk or Calgary.

If Doughty's only emotional response to anything is a heat of the moment involving him, that's a problem. If Doughty feels Prust is needed for grit and leadership instead of providing it himself, that's a problem.

He doesn't have to fight. But the team would benefit from him standing up for himself and others outside of the occasional immediate tantrum.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this here. I think people here are underestimating the timing of this game. The Kings are in the middle of a playoff race against the Flames. If this game was in Novemeber I'm 100% positive Drew would not have thought twice about hip checking the **** out of that punk. But we can't have Drew running around looking to take Tkachuk's head off in one of our most important games of the year. Let Andreoff, Nolan or Clifford take care of that. Hell I'd rather bring up MacDermid than let Drew waste his time focusing on Tkachuk. I'm way more pissed off at our "fighters" not sticking up for the best player on the team. I'm sure Clifford had Tkachuk shaking in his boots after the stern talking he gave in warmups.

 

[KINGS17]

The Kings missed the playoffs by 8 points and lost to Calgary 4-1 on home ice on April 6.

Calgary went on to lose the last game of their regular season. The Kings had two games remaining following the loss on April 6.

The narrative of Doughty not being able to do something because the Kings were in the thick of a playoff race is baloney.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Kings missed the playoffs by 8 points and lost to Calgary 4-1 on home ice on April 6.

Calgary went on to lose the last game of their regular season. The Kings had two games remaining following the loss on April 6.

The narrative of Doughty not being able to do something because the Kings were in the thick of a playoff race is baloney.

I've also never seen Doughty shy before. Only other time in his career I've seen him so timid is immediately after fighting Joe Thornton which takes brass balls to do anyway.

 

[kingsboy11]

The Kings missed the playoffs by 8 points and lost to Calgary 4-1 on home ice on April 6.

Calgary went on to lose the last game of their regular season. The Kings had two games remaining following the loss on April 6.

The narrative of Doughty not being able to do something because the Kings were in the thick of a playoff race is baloney.

We're talking about different games. I'm referring to the one on March 29th when the Kings were still in playoff contention and the game the Kings actually won. The Kings were officially eliminated on the 2nd. You're referring to the April 6th game in which the whole team failed to punish Tkachuk.

 

[King'sPawn]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this here. I think people here are underestimating the timing of this game. The Kings are in the middle of a playoff race against the Flames. If this game was in Novemeber I'm 100% positive Drew would not have thought twice about hip checking the **** out of that punk. But we can't have Drew running around looking to take Tkachuk's head off in one of our most important games of the year. Let Andreoff, Nolan or Clifford take care of that. Hell I'd rather bring up MacDermid than let Drew waste his time focusing on Tkachuk. I'm way more pissed off at our "fighters" not sticking up for the best player on the team. I'm sure Clifford had Tkachuk shaking in his boots after the stern talking he gave in warmups.

I'm not saying the tough guys didn't fail to step up.

I'm saying Doughty failed to provide the grit and leadership he feels the team needs.

 

[King'sPawn]

Honestly tough to read this whole post, but I don't want Doughty fighting. I understand some of you do. Seems silly.

What made it tough to read?

And if it was tough to read, why are you going to put words in our mouth by drawing a false conclusion?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

https://www.nhl.com/news/brandon-pr...reach-nhl-milestone/c-290632442?tid=280751088

Prust was on a golf course in Michigan about a month ago when he received a call from Kings player assistance director Brantt Myhres, an old friend who'd just come out of a meeting with Los Angeles general manager Rob Blake.

"Brantt asked what I'd think of coming out on a PTO and I told him I thought it would be pretty sweet," Prust said. "He said there were some changes in L.A. and they see me fitting in the lineup if I come to camp and put on a good show."

Prust skipped the next couple of holes that day to make a few calls and had his agent, Claude Lemieux, get the wheels quickly in motion.

I figure at camp they could split up and have a pair of tough guys dressed for every preseason game between Clifford, Nolan, Prust and Andreoff.

 

[KINGS17]

We're talking about different games. I'm referring to the one on March 29th when the Kings were still in playoff contention and the game the Kings actually won. The Kings were officially eliminated on the 2nd. You're referring to the April 6th game in which the whole team failed to punish Tkachuk.

Yes, I am referring to a game which took place roughly a week after the original incident. Doughty is part of the team. In fact, Doughty is supposed to be a leader. Right now Calgary thinks they can come into LA and do whatever they want.

Why does Doughty need another player to send a message for him? The game on April 6, meant nothing in the standings, but Doughty could have used it to say something about himself and the Kings.

I can't help but wonder what Richards, Stoll, or Greene would have done in a similar situation. Again, Doughty didn't need to fight Tkachuk, but how about giving Monahan or little Johnny Hockey an extra rough ride that evening.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yep, say what you want about Mike Richards, but you know he'd be in there for drew.

I don't even want to dwell on the end of last season any more because that was the most disgusted I've been by a Kings team in a decade or more.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Yes, I am referring to a game which took place roughly a week after the original incident. Doughty is part of the team. In fact, Doughty is supposed to be a leader. Right now Calgary thinks they can come into LA and do whatever they want.

Why does Doughty need another player to send a message for him? The game on April 6, meant nothing in the standings, but Doughty could have used it to say something about himself and the Kings.

I can't help but wonder what Richards, Stoll, or Greene would have done in a similar situation. Again, Doughty didn't need to fight Tkachuk, but how about giving Monahan or little Johnny Hockey an extra rough ride that evening.

I too was not happy with the Kings' response, especially Andreoff who dropped his gloves but did not start pounding away even though thachuk turtles away. However, to be fair, the Kings were playing rough against Calgary that game and throwing extra hits here and there, particularly Brown and Forbort. But I agree, it wasn't enough. The whole team should have gone ape s**t against Calgary.

 

[kingsboy11]

Yes, I am referring to a game which took place roughly a week after the original incident. Doughty is part of the team. In fact, Doughty is supposed to be a leader. Right now Calgary thinks they can come into LA and do whatever they want.

Why does Doughty need another player to send a message for him? The game on April 6, meant nothing in the standings, but Doughty could have used it to say something about himself and the Kings.

I can't help but wonder what Richards, Stoll, or Greene would have done in a similar situation. Again, Doughty didn't need to fight Tkachuk, but how about giving Monahan or little Johnny Hockey an extra rough ride that evening.

The Tkachuk elbow on doughty was on the March 19th game, not the March 29th game. At that point the Kings were still technically in playoff contention. The April 6th game is when they were out and absolutely should've sent a message to the Flames. Not only Doughty, but the rest of the team as well and they failed miserably.

 

[deeshamrock]

Honestly tough to read this whole post, but I don't want Doughty fighting. I understand some of you do. Seems silly.

Not as silly as you dwelling on fighting when sticking up for himself didn't mean fighting.
And that is part of the large hole of leadership that has been missing for the better part of 3 years and a reason why the team has failed for 3 years.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Richards, Regehr, Greene, even Williams, any one of those guys would have taken an instigator, and been proud of it.

And they're all gone now. They were the balls of this team. Can't win without balls in this league.

 

[Rusty Batch]

What made it tough to read?

And if it was tough to read, why are you going to put words in our mouth by drawing a false conclusion?

It seemed like you were trying to lecture about something you probably have no idea about.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Not as silly as you dwelling on fighting when sticking up for himself didn't mean fighting.
And that is part of the large hole of leadership that has been missing for the better part of 3 years and a reason why the team has failed for 3 years.

Leadership, grit, toughness, oh you guys..

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

It seemed like you were trying to lecture about something you probably have no idea about.

So you don't read his post but can somehow draw this conclusion? Are you delibertabley trying to come off as arrogant and ignorant?

What was he wrong about? He literally says in the second sentence "Doughty doesn't have to fight"

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[King'sPawn]

So you don't read his post but can somehow draw this conclusion? Are you delibertabley trying to come off as arrogant and ignorant?

What was he wrong about? He literally says in the second sentence "Doughty doesn't have to fight"

I was wrong about agreeing with K17, apparently. Very telling that the second question went unanswered.

How's that for a lecture?

 

[deeshamrock]

Leadership, grit, toughness, oh you guys..

First of all, I'm not a guy, I'm a female fan. And secondly, that answer doesn't support what I commented on. Sticking up for yourself , in DD's case, doesn't mean fighting, which you can't seem to get.
And Leadership, is a huge part of a a team success and tied to the locker room
Kick's lack thereof has affected them and the results over the last 3 years are tied to it.

 

[Rusty Batch]

So you don't read his post but can somehow draw this conclusion? Are you delibertabley trying to come off as arrogant and ignorant?

What was he wrong about? He literally says in the second sentence "Doughty doesn't have to fight"

I didn't say i didnt read it, But good try.