2017 Offseason Thread 3.0

[HookKing]

Agree. If we go for it and fail, I'm ok with that. But it will be intolerable to go back to the purple times especially when we have Doughty.

I hope Blake isn't putting all his eggs in 1 basket (scoring winger). IMO, that is a #3 priority. 1A and 1B should be a defense oriented 3rd line center. Dowd just isn't anywhere good enough in this role. By finding one he can really relieve some of the burden on Kopitar (Sutter loved running him into the ground).

1B is a RHD that plays top 4. Maybe LaDue or the new guy can step up, if so I want 1 of those 2 paired with Forbort who is much better defensively than Muzzin. Another year of Martinez on the offside in the top 4 is a guaranteed fail. Finding an affordable top 4 on the market is probably not feasible though.

Dowd, Martinez, Muzzin / -15, -17, -21. That's at least 15 GA up for grabs right there. A healthy Toffoli and normal Kopitar should add at least 15 GF. Get these fixed and the Kings sail into the playoffs.

No one should forget how devastating it was for the Kings to give up a goal on the first shot so many times. Always playing catch up. Quick should be full of energy and that will help immensely.

Lastly, Blake may have a golden opportunity to upgrade the bottom 6 since many good ones should be exposed and up for bid. He cannot be afraid to overpay in picks/prospects.

 

[deeshamrock]

Greene activated off IR... wtf

Buyout window just opened....

 

[HookKing]

Buyout window just opened....

Blake is now entitled to his own cap circumvention thread.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Buying out Greene would enable the Kings to save $1,666,667 in cap space for the upcoming season, though they will retain a cap hit of $833,333 in 2018-19 as a result of a buyout.

 

[tsanuri]

Buying out Greene would enable the Kings to save $1,666,667 in cap space for the upcoming season, though they will retain a cap hit of $833,333 in 2018-19 as a result of a buyout.

And I put this on the trade forum. I'm not sure I fully understand why. They could have buried him and saved 950m next year of his contract. So it's really not as much as much savings and there's the penalty next year.

 

[HookKing]

And I put this on the trade forum. I'm not sure I fully understand why. They could have buried him and saved 950m next year of his contract. So it's really not as much as much savings and there's the penalty next year.

Maybe Blake is just freeing up some wiggle room if the right deal comes along.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I don't like the idea of a buyout. Burying can save $1,025,000 so the difference between a buyout this year vs burying is only $641,667 at the expense of $833,333 next season.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And I put this on the trade forum. I'm not sure I fully understand why. They could have buried him and saved 950m next year of his contract. So it's really not as much as much savings and there's the penalty next year.

If they wanted cap space immediately available for the present, I can see why they'd do it, even with the carry over penalty of the buyout which is very minimal.

Hopefully they find more ways to dump some unnecessarily overpaid contracts, like Clifford and his $1.6M.

 

[kovacro]

And I put this on the trade forum. I'm not sure I fully understand why. They could have buried him and saved 950m next year of his contract. So it's really not as much as much savings and there's the penalty next year.

How many contracts are the Kings at? I don't think they are anywhere close to 50 but maybe they want the extra slot.

 

[KINGS17]

Not that TO fans opinions mean anything since they aren't the GM, but most of them are of the thought that Carter isn't a fit for them now since they aren't close enough yet.

If you mean Doughty....woah boy.

Yeah, I don't think Carter is a fit in Toronto, so by process of elimination...

Depending on how this coming season goes, we should know what type of moves need to be made in the summer of 2018.

I think the answer is going to be get younger, get better, but we'll see.

Rob Blake could very well get Rob Blake'd by Drew Doughty. Almost too much symmetry in this situation.

 

[tsanuri]

How many contracts are the Kings at? I don't think they are anywhere close to 50 but maybe they want the extra slot.

They are at 32 according to cap friendly.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

A trade of Amart could open up $3+ mill in cap space if we target a ELC contract and picks as I've mentioned above... Everything Blake and Co do will have to have deals in place to improve our team...

just some crap i came up with but say MTL who desperately needs a Dman is willing to offer a prospect and 2 of 3 2018 2nd rounders.. you have do it, considering its a much deeper draft and those assets can help in other areas...
Those other areas would be enticing VGK to take Gabby for a package of players and picks plus retained salary.... Say Gabby, McNabb 2017 3rd, 4th(we have 2), 5th(we have 2) and $1 million retained for this season ( grants them financial flexibility) and we get a conditional pick like Col did with the Iginla trade (meaning we dont get anything)....

close to $10 mill off the books on top of what we have currently, McCarron for the 3C spot, and we'd still have a nice atonement of picks


2017- 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th , 6th
2018- 1st, 2nd, 2nd(Chi), 2nd(Wash), 3rd, 4th, 4th(Mtl), 5th, 6th

You could then go for a MDZ and a Vanek to fill out the roster... maybe even Bonino
Vanek - Kopitar - Toffoli
Pearson - Carter - Brown
Kempe - Bonino - Brodzinski
Lewis - McCarron - Nolan
Send KC to the AHL

Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - LaDue
Gravel - MDZ
Fantenberg

Quick
Campbell

Can't retain for just 1 year. Would have to be the length of the contract. And no thank you to MDZ, Vanek or Bonino. The kings need to get younger not older. Retool not add more rusted parts.

Not that TO fans opinions mean anything since they aren't the GM, but most of them are of the thought that Carter isn't a fit for them now since they aren't close enough yet.

If you mean Doughty....woah boy.

Someone on the main trade board said...

Doughty for 2 1st, Brown and Dermott

 

[Peter James Bond II]

So, what you're saying is........?


Forbort / Doughty

Martinez / LaDue

Fantenberg / Gravel


.....trade Muzzin? To hell with McNabb?? I like it!!!

I wasn't saying anything other than Fantenberg has 4 years of Swedish World Team and KHL allstar level and many are omitting him from the roster and / or putting the likes of Trotman and MacDermid ahead of him. I am speculating he may be 'a highly capable' NHL regular on the Kings this season.

As for trading Muzzin or Marinez straight up or in a package for a legit top 6 forward, I am all for it. The fact that Forbort, LaDue and Gravel can all play in the NHL, helps. They should also only get better. For whatever reason(s) McNabb did not
get better after his first year...so grain of salt. But I do believe Forbort, Gravel and LaDue all make strides forward.

As for just throwing in Kempe in these packages - I would not give up on him. True, many say he can dazzle some shifts with speed and make something happen...I guess you could say not always dynamic? I say give him a chance this year, without having playing under DS. Maybe 3rd line duty and see what he can do under new coach and system. I think it's too early to just deal him in a package, unless it's a great return.

 

[kings11]

Can't retain for just 1 year. Would have to be the length of the contract. And no thank you to MDZ, Vanek or Bonino. The kings need to get younger not older. Retool not add more rusted parts.


Then pay all of McNabb's salary for the season and i am pretty sure acquiring McCarron and 2 - 2nd rounders in a much deeper 18' draft will help in the with the youth movement... So the signings of Vanek, MDZ to 1-2 year contracts and 2-3 for Bonino are pretty acceptable...

 

[The Tikkanen]

Blake and the Kings are in win now mode. It's odd to see King fans upset at this idea.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Then pay all of McNabb's salary for the season and i am pretty sure acquiring McCarron and 2 - 2nd rounders in a much deeper 18' draft will help in the with the youth movement... So the signings of Vanek, MDZ to 1-2 year contracts and 2-3 for Bonino are pretty acceptable...

That would just mean the kings are doing the same thing they have for the past 2 years and we would probably just be better off trading Doughty, Carter, Kopitar and Quick for a full rebuild.

 

[BigKing]

Blake and the Kings are in win now mode. It's odd to see King fans upset at this idea.

Probably because they've been in "win now" mode for the last three seasons.

If Blake makes some good moves and this team looks good on paper, you'll see more people on board the win now train. I mean, I knew the Lucic trade wasn't necessarily "smart" but I was pumped to see him play and I felt it made the team better so I was in.

Like the Lotto, you've to to play to win. Tanking doesn't guarantee anything but making the playoffs guarantees an opportunity to play for the Cup. The problem is there are no guarantees to make the playoffs--as 2015 proved--and the assets they have now will lose more value.

 

[kings11]

That would just mean the kings are doing the same thing they have for the past 2 years and we would probably just be better off trading Doughty, Carter, Kopitar and Quick for a full rebuild.

so how exactly would 1 year deals for Vanek and MDZ impede the progress go Kempe, Brodzinski, Amadio, Wagner, LaDue, Forbort, Gravel, and the 15 picks we'd have over the next 2 seasons??? Also, keep in mind that this is a business and those types of drastic changes wouldn't be tolerate by a win now management, owner and fan base...

 

[Reclamation Project]

Blake and the Kings are in win now mode. It's odd to see King fans upset at this idea.

That mode has been activated the last 3 years and we have a depleted pipeline, albatross contracts, and 1 playoff win. Not a single thing to show for all the moves made.

If the Kings had made a few trips to the WCF or Final no one here is complaining.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Choose a road and go. Start rebuilding now by trading the 6 guys that have any real value, or do what you can to try to win now, and don't worry about the downside of that choice. Rebuild now, or rebuild later, what's the difference? I'm fine with either way.

 

[Battle Hymns]

That's not what the Av's want, DL tried that last year. They want a 'top young d'

thank god. landeskog is the most overrated player in hockey. i wouldn't even trade muzzin straight up for him

 

[KingsOfCali25]

so how exactly would 1 year deals for Vanek and MDZ impede the progress go Kempe, Brodzinski, Amadio, Wagner, LaDue, Forbort, Gravel, and the 15 picks we'd have over the next 2 seasons??? Also, keep in mind that this is a business and those types of drastic changes wouldn't be tolerate by a win now management, owner and fan base...

Because going for an older Vanek and an MDZ isn't going for a win now mode! It's just getting useless body's to fill open spots. It just screams the same old thing again. Can't get the guys needed to win. Either go all out for Oshie and Alzner/Shattiekirk or go hard for youth. Don't settle for junk guys that won't do any better than what you already have.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Because going for an older Vanek and an MDZ isn't going for a win now mode! It's just getting useless body's to fill open spots. It just screams the same old thing again. Can't get the guys needed to win. Either go all out for Oshie and Alzner/Shattiekirk or go hard for youth. Don't settle for junk guys that won't do any better than what you already have.

There's this thing called a salary cap. Signing Oshie and one of Alzner or Shattenkirk would cost in excess of $10M in cap space. The Kings aren't going to handcuff themselves with more bad contracts by making a big splurge in free agency.

 

[KINGS17]

That mode has been activated the last 3 years and we have a depleted pipeline, albatross contracts, and 1 playoff win. Not a single thing to show for all the moves made.

If the Kings had made a few trips to the WCF or Final no one here is complaining.

Exactly. Saying you are in the "win now" mode, and being in the "win now" mode are two entirely different things.

 

[kings11]

Because going for an older Vanek and an MDZ isn't going for a win now mode! It's just getting useless body's to fill open spots. It just screams the same old thing again. Can't get the guys needed to win. Either go all out for Oshie and Alzner/Shattiekirk or go hard for youth. Don't settle for junk guys that won't do any better than what you already have.

now its not its just a bridge for guys like Kempe, amarion and the rest to acclimate to the NHL and not be thrown into pressure cooker situation that could stagnate or ruin their development...

Oshie and Alzner are junk KOC25, my point was that we should trade Smart to MTL who badly needs Dmen in exchange for Mike McCarron and 2-2018 2nd round picks which MTL has 3 of.... I also floated out ideas last season about Eric Staal but most thought it would be a waste but it didn't turn out that way.. those type of deals are win-win because of the salary and years involved..

those picks plus the extra 4th and 5th could possibly be used to entice the VGK to take Gabby off our hands.... think any combination of the following

Marian Gaborik
Brayden McNabb....$500-750k retained
Nic Dowd...full salary retention..$650k i believe
2017 4th & 5th
2018 2nd
VGK get a young Dman, a cheap 3C/4C, reach the Salary floor easier, plus get $1.150-$1.4 in salary reduction to help them facilitate whatever other deals they have going on..plus valuable picks for a team that will likely be build through the draft....

Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - LaDue
Fantenberg - Gravel
MacDermid

could still be improved with the windfall.....

Vanek/whoever - Kopitar - Toffoli
Pearson - Carter - Brown
Kempe - McCarron - Brodzinski
Clifford - Lewis - Nolan
you could always bury KC in the AHL... but there's money to improve here too... long term it clears just under $9 million to whatever we were going to have next season.....