Habs vs Wings

[cjeagle]

Habss are as good or better in nets with Dobes/Fowler/Volokhin.

I disagree. US Hockey thinks more highly of Augustine over Fowler for one. Trey has helped lead the US to gold at the World Cup Junior Championship twice and the U18 World Championship once. They rewarded Augustine by making him the only junior they invited to the World Hockey Championships last year becoming the 20th teenager in WHC history and the youngest US goaltender to play in the tournament. He also won the U15 national championship and was a finalist for the Mike Richter award for the best goaltender in the NCAA in his rookie year as a freshman last year.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Habs seem to be around ~2 years behind in the process. Which lines up fairly well with Wings starting in 2019 and Habs starting in 2021. Neither of those "starting points" are exactly accurate, but maybe both fanbases can agree that's where both teams started the actual methodical and deliberate part of the rebuild.

Yeah 2 years sound fair. Ill take that.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Nah, the claims that you wouldn't trade Demidov for any of the who's who of established U25 defensemen in the NHL is hilarious.

 

[SamHabsFan]

Nah, the claims that you wouldn't trade Demidov for any of the who's who of established U25 defensemen in the NHL is hilarious.

The value in a vacuum versus the situation the team is in are completely different things... Of course Quinn Hughes is more valuable than Demidov, but from a team standpoint you already have Hutson and Guhle on the left side and its been 30 years since we had an impact forward.

The only way to get a 100 pts forward is to draft him, I wont trade away our only potential chance to have one

So yeah, id rather have Hutson Guhle and Demidov than Hughes Hutson and Guhle

 

[J15]

The value in a vacuum versus the situation the team is in are completely different things... Of course Quinn Hughes is more valuable than Demidov, but from a team standpoint you already have Hutson and Guhle on the left side and its been 30 years since we had an impact forward.

The only way to get a 100 pts forward is to draft him, I wont trade away our only potential chance to have one

So yeah, id rather have Hutson Guhle and Demidov than Hughes Hutson and Guhle

You really don't realize that Hughes is in an entirely separate tier than Hutson Guhle and Demidov? This is like a Wings fan saying they'd rather have Cossa than Draisaitl because we already have Marco Kasper in the system.

 

[SamHabsFan]

do you think your team would be better with Raymond-Seider Edvinsson or Q, Hughes Seider Edvinsson ?

it just set the rebuild back 5 years because now, your offense is dog shit

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

The value in a vacuum versus the situation the team is in are completely different things... Of course Quinn Hughes is more valuable than Demidov, but from a team standpoint you already have Hutson and Guhle on the left side and its been 30 years since we had an impact forward.

The only way to get a 100 pts forward is to draft him, I wont trade away our only potential chance to have one

So yeah, id rather have Hutson Guhle and Demidov than Hughes Hutson and Guhle

Hughes is currently the best defenseman, at least offensively, in the NHL. It’s highly highly unlikely that demidov ever becomes even a top 3 forward in the NHL. Insane take.

do you think your team would be better with Raymond-Seider Edvinsson or Q, Hughes Seider Edvinsson ?

it just set the rebuild back 5 years because now, your offense is dog shit

We would be better with Hughes and Raymond’s been amazing. But Hughes stats and advanced stats are insane.

 

[SamHabsFan]

Hughes is currently the best defenseman, at least offensively, in the NHL. It’s highly highly unlikely that demidov ever becomes even a top 3 forward in the NHL. Insane take.


We would be better with Hughes and Raymond’s been amazing. But Hughes stats and advanced stats are insane.

of course Hughes is insane, but your team would not be better if you remove your top offensive player and add to an already stacked defense... would be a different topic with an offensively stacked team like Toronto where trading Marner for Hughes would benefit them a lot more than trading Raymond and suddenly Larkin is is supposed to be your top forward with andrew copp in the top 6..

Hughes is definitely better than all of those guys, but its a team sport and even Hughes cannot bring an offensively starved offence to a playoff, look where the canucks are

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

of course Hughes is insane, but your team would not be better if you remove your top offensive player and add to an already stacked defense... would be a different topic with an offensively stacked team like Toronto where trading Marner for Hughes would benefit them a lot more than trading Raymond and suddenly Larkin is is supposed to be your top forward with andrew copp in the top 6..

Hughes is definitely better than all of those guys, but its a team sport and even Hughes cannot bring an offensively starved offence to a playoff, look where the canucks are

Your defense is not stacked lmao. Hutson can’t play defense and the rest of your players are supporting cast guys. Habs fans stop being delusional challenge: impossible.

 

[SamHabsFan]

Your defense is not stacked lmao. Hutson can’t play defense and the rest of your players are supporting cast guys. Habs fans stop being delusional challenge: impossible.

I would certainly upgrade all of them for hughes, but not at the expense of our only game breaking prospect in 30 years.. I would rather trade Hutson + Slaf for Hughes and again to make it clear I do not think Demidov has greater value than those young top defensemen, it just sets us back way behind and suddenly we are in danger of becoming a never ending rebuild like Buffalo

 

[izlez]

The value in a vacuum versus the situation the team is in are completely different things... Of course Quinn Hughes is more valuable than Demidov, but from a team standpoint you already have Hutson and Guhle on the left side and its been 30 years since we had an impact forward.

The only way to get a 100 pts forward is to draft him, I wont trade away our only potential chance to have one

So yeah, id rather have Hutson Guhle and Demidov than Hughes Hutson and Guhle

If you're making hypothetical trades, why are you stopping at one?

Take the absolute robbery of getting Quinn Hughes for a single prospect, and then trade Hutson/Guhle for a forward. Shouldn't be too hard to find one because you can afford to take a small "loss" on a deal, because you just got friggin' Quinn Hughes

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Your defense is not stacked lmao. Hutson can’t play defense and the rest of your players are supporting cast guys. Habs fans stop being delusional challenge: impossible.

Seider is much more like pronger. Edvinsson is like a less offensively talented victor hedman. But he’s way better defensively at his age than hedman was at the same age.

Not sure you sure be talking about other fans being delusional tbh lmfao

 

[Xspyrit]

If you're making hypothetical trades, why are you stopping at one?

Take the absolute robbery of getting Quinn Hughes for a single prospect, and then trade Hutson/Guhle for a forward. Shouldn't be too hard to find one because you can afford to take a small "loss" on a deal, because you just got friggin' Quinn Hughes

I was going to say that… almost word for word

I’m not if it’s because some don’t realize how good Hughes is, or if Demisov is overhyped to no end but you absolutely make that robbery then figure it out after.

Trade Hutson and whoever to get a Top forward already proven. Much better bet than hoping Demidov ends up as a top-10 scorer

 

[wetcoast]

The Wings situation is so hard to read. They've got some great pieces in place, but they also have a huge number of ambiguous situations just hanging there...no clue how a lot of pieces are really going to turn out. That's going to define whether the Detroit rebuild is successful or not, and it's very much up in the air still.

Came here to say something like this but it's also true of the situation in montreal and the thing is that how some of the prospects pan out and who gets drafted along the way also matter.

Took the too close to call option.

 

[dgibb10]

do you think your team would be better with Raymond-Seider Edvinsson or Q, Hughes Seider Edvinsson ?

it just set the rebuild back 5 years because now, your offense is dog shit

If you think adding quinn hughes makes your offense worse I don't know what to tell you

 

[Pavels Dog]

Not sure you sure be talking about other fans being delusional tbh lmfao

Can you actually point out what's delusional?

 

[Sting]

I'll say this: very few prospects ever reach the ceiling fans hype them up to be. We can rattle off prospect over prospect who were labelled as "can't miss", "a surefire franchise player", "the next one" and they end up being a solid NHLer, a depth player or out of the league in a few years. Outside of clear generational talents (Crosby, McDavid, Ovechkin), it is very difficult to project young players in the NHL today.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Not sure you sure be talking about other fans being delusional tbh lmfao

Nothing delusional about it. Edvinsson is the same size as Hedman and is objectively playing better defense than Hedman was at the same age. however he is not even in the same galaxy as Hedman offensively and he’s almost certainly not going to get there either.

Seider is the only modern 1D defenseman that is highly physical. He plays the game similar to Pronger, though he’s still not nearly as nasty as Pronger was.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Nothing delusional about it. Edvinsson is the same size as Hedman and is objectively playing better defense than Hedman was at the same age. however he is not even in the same galaxy as Hedman offensively and he’s almost certainly not going to get there either.

Seider is the only modern defenseman that is highly physical. He plays the game similar to Pronger, though he’s still not nearly as nasty as Pronger was.

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[RedHawkDown]

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What was this supposed to show? Seider is 4th in hits and plays by far the most minutes of the entire top 30. The only other top pairing D there is Weegar, so yeah you can include him if you want though he’s on the tail end of his career. I meant to add a “1D” to my description, but what you linked confirms what i said …?

 

[Golden_Jet]

What was this supposed to show? Seider is 4th in hits and plays by far the most minutes of the entire top 30. The only other top pairing D there is Weegar, so yeah you can include him if you want though he’s on the tail end of his career. I meant to add a “top” to my description, but what you linked confirms what i said …?

It was just to show he isn’t the only modern defenseman that is highly physical, nothing more.

 

[RedHawkDown]

It was just to show he isn’t the only modern defenseman that is highly physical, nothing more.

Yeah definitely not - that much is obvious. There are obviously tons of bottom pairing and 4/5 dmen that are plenty physical. But there are essentially zero other top dmen that lay out punishment - that role is mostly being played by Slavin/McAvoy types, or Hughes/Makar/Fox types. Seider is very, very unique in that respect, and therefore the closest thing to Pronger in today's NHL.