Tawnos
A guy with a bass
It’s a prize for having a great tournament. The opportunity to compete for something is not an award.
A silver medal is not a participation trophy.
Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)
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It’s a prize for having a great tournament. The opportunity to compete for something is not an award.
A silver medal is not a participation trophy.
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
Meh on a silver, it means you lost. Almost any athlete I know doesn't want to "win" a silver in a hockey tournament. Good lord you have to be completely obtuse to not comprehend why a competitive athlete doesn't want a silver.
Hunter Gathers
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Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I’m not saying that anyone wants to win silver. I’m saying that silver is something to be proud of.
And most competitive athletes who have won silvers are proud of them.
Per Sjoblom
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I never said the opportunity was the award. The gold medal is the award. The opportunity to win the award is the reward.
And yes, the silver medal is useless.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
This exactly.
Yeah, you get silver for coming in second place out of a bunch of teams. Good job.
But, in order to get silver, you have to actively LOSE during your chance to get gold. Nobody feels good about that. Ever.
It's never "Yay, we lost and got silver!"
It's always "f***, we lost and didn't get gold."
Miamipuck
Al Swearengen
No most competitive athletes (hockey players) remember the silver as that time they lost, not they won something. I hang around enough to know.
Honestly curious--how do you know this without sampling, like, thousands of athletes? And even if this is a true statement, a lot of people aren't particularly sentimental; you can be proud of finishing second while at the same time not giving two shits about whatever you were given as an "award."
I can only speak to my days playing sports growing up. When my teams would finish second, no one was proud. We were all pissed off and disappointed. Maybe we'd hold onto our trophies or whatever stupid ribbons or shit that we'd get and put it with the rest of the things we had, but it wasn't because we had any attachment to the item itself. It would just look cool on our shelf with our other stuff. In all of my team sports, if we finished second, it was a loss plain and simple and barring some really specific circumstances that I won't bore people with, no one f***ing cared about the award we got. It was a loss and we wanted to forget it, move on from it, etc. Our parents and coaches and friends and everyone would tell us to be proud, but rarely was that the case.
Now, I did shot put one year, and I remember a lot of the kids that did track and field would be proud of finishing second. I don't know why, but there seemed to be a substantial gap in how the track and field people viewed finishing second and third and how the soccer (that was my main sport) guys viewed finishing second. The kids that would do running and all that, or individual events where you go, then that guy goes, then another guy goes, there seemed to be a lot more pride in finishing in the top three. Maybe because you weren't locked in a physical battle with another team. It was just an individual thing. I don't know, I sucked at shot put and never won anything.
Anyway, I know people will read what I wrote and say, "Oh the WJC/whatever pro sport event is way more significant than your youth and high school sports career, 2k2!" And it is, but it really doesn't matter. Because the emotions are the same, even if they're felt under different levels of pressure. That would actually intensify it, really.
If people think it's disrespectful to throw the medal away, that's cool, I don't agree but I see where they're coming from. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when people sit there and say or act like Andersson, or anyone, should care about the medal, and should feel proud, and should feel this or that, and get all indignant that he doesn't. Like, who the f*** is anyone to dictate to anyone else about how they should feel about the silver medal that they won by losing? If that medal causes someone anger, fine, makes sense. If it causes someone sadness, again, understandable. If someone is super proud of it and thinks it's the greatest thing, awesome for them, glad they got it. But that's where it should end. No one should tell another person how they should feel about the item that is the lasting, physical manifestation of losing a game.
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Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Not only do hockey players not represent most competitive athletes, but participants in team sports don’t either.
Maybe there is a difference between how athletes competing in individual sports view these things compared to team sports. A silver medal is a mark of achievement. Yes, it’s a mark of the time you lost too. Thats why it’s not a gold medal. It’s still damn good.
Glen Sathers Cigar
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When I was a bantam, my travel team was really good (AAA team nationally ranked all season) and we made it to States where we were one of the top 3 teams in the state all season, our goal all season was to win states and make it to nationals. We won through the playoffs and made the championship game and the team we'd end up playing was the only team to beat us twice in the regular season, which was like a quarter of our loses all year so it was like going up against our arch rival and a bogey man we were ready to slay. Pretty even game, us leading 2-1, they tie it with like 5 minutes to go and we end up losing the game in overtime. (I'm 28 now so this is like 13 years ago and I can still remember almost every shot I faced that game).
Do you think we were happy and proud that we were the second best team in the state? On paper that sounds like an accomplishment, 2nd best team out of like hundreds in the state, great overall successful season. I'd never felt worse in my life to that point than I did losing that game.
Multiple kids on my team left their medals in the locker room after that game, I threw mine in my bag and never took it out, it might still be in the bottom of that bag in my parents' basement.
Much smaller scale obviously, but a comparable position to be in as a hockey player emotionally.
Maybe for a Skiier or figure skater some other individual sport athletes, there's more pride to finish high and such. Maybe in the Olympics a silver would matter more.
As a hockey player, losing the championship game feels like you might as well have come in below last place.
Do you think we were happy and proud that we were the second best team in the state? On paper that sounds like an accomplishment, 2nd best team out of like hundreds in the state, great overall successful season. I'd never felt worse in my life to that point than I did losing that game.
Multiple kids on my team left their medals in the locker room after that game, I threw mine in my bag and never took it out, it might still be in the bottom of that bag in my parents' basement.
Much smaller scale obviously, but a comparable position to be in as a hockey player emotionally.
Maybe for a Skiier or figure skater some other individual sport athletes, there's more pride to finish high and such. Maybe in the Olympics a silver would matter more.
As a hockey player, losing the championship game feels like you might as well have come in below last place.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
2nd place.. you hate it there and then (is that even a way to put it in English??), but it's going to feel different at the end of a career.
Can't blame the guy for being so disappointed. And he didn't toss it or throw it, he put it right in the hands of a guy in the stands. Totally blown out of proportion.
Still have no idea why people got so upset with what happend. It's funny, I haven't seen a single Swede who's had a problem with it. It's all NA, Canadiens mostly.
Can't blame the guy for being so disappointed. And he didn't toss it or throw it, he put it right in the hands of a guy in the stands. Totally blown out of proportion.
Still have no idea why people got so upset with what happend. It's funny, I haven't seen a single Swede who's had a problem with it. It's all NA, Canadiens mostly.
It is still damn good, but when you spend so much time preparing for that last game and lose it's like getting kicked in the balls and certainly doesn't feel good or like an accomplishment.
Took a peak after your comment and you were right. Such a difference from just a couple of months ago. All the crazies are gone. The obvious thread to visit is hilarious
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Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I guess I should also say that I’m not really talking about in the moment. In the moment, of course I don’t expect anyone to feel good about it.
Kinda the same way I think about the 2013-14 season or the Mets in 2015. At the time they lost, I was devastated about it. Once I got over the devastation, which admittedly probably happened faster for me than for anyone on those teams, I look at those seasons with fondness.
I’m not really the kind of person who will define an entire experience by a single moment though.
darko
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If you are a team/player not expecting to medal yeah sure silver is something you are proud off. When you are expecting to medal and are one of the favorites yet you finish as a runner up ... again, I can understand why a player wouldn't want it.
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Would you take a "2nd place" trophy after losing the Cup? No? Well then don't say anything here
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