Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

[SnowblindNYR]

I think there's a difference between marketing a product to a demographic than believing that everyone born between 1982 and 2002 will all react the same way to a very specific action just because they are "privileged snowflakes".

Source: Marketing major. Marketing analytics professional. Millenial.

While yes there's nuance that's being missed, buying a particular product and consuming a particular medium is also a form of behavior, just as response to a particular event.

Source: Marketing major, MBA, over half a decade Marketing professional.

All jokes aside as I said nuance is being missed but also there's a difference in saying most of the people up in arms about this are likely to be a certain age and most people of a certain age are up in arms over it. Most people seem to be making the first argument which even if the age bracket is wrong is not that unreasonable.

 

[silverfish]

While yes there's nuance that's being missed, buying a particular product and consuming a particular medium is also a form of behavior, just as response to a particular event.

Source: Marketing major, MBA, over half a decade Marketing professional.

All jokes aside as I said nuance is being missed but also there's a difference in saying most of the people up in arms about this are likely to be a certain age and most people of a certain age are up in arms over it. Most people seem to be making the first argument which even if the age bracket is wrong is not that unreasonable.

Let's have a marketing battle!

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Well a blame a nationality and age group stereotypical argument. Here's another one. The obnoxious Canadian winner one...yeah, we WON. Woo! Hope Lias becomes an awesome historical Ranger we can all rally behind! Woo!

I mean, congrats on winning something you guys should normally win almost every year yet frequently fail to?

 

[East Coast Bias]

It is very clearly the Boomer salty age group that is SOOOOO OFFENDED by this.

Behind every 2nd place trophy "millennial" recipient is a 'back in my day! Boomer that can't handle seeing their kids let down.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

It's almost like lumping massive sums of people together based on their age isn't really a good way to characterize a population.

Crazy, I know.

It's almost like you sort of need to do this when saying where you see most of the discussion coming from. No one said all Boomers. From what I have seen, however, the vast majority of complaints seem to be coming from that age group.

Granted, mostly Canadian Boomers. The odd desire for Canadian fans to complain about this is incredibly amusing.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Behind every 2nd place trophy "millennial" recipient is a 'back in my day! Boomer that can't handle seeing their kids let down.

Yep.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

While yes there's nuance that's being missed, buying a particular product and consuming a particular medium is also a form of behavior, just as response to a particular event.

Source: Marketing major, MBA, over half a decade Marketing professional.

All jokes aside as I said nuance is being missed but also there's a difference in saying most of the people up in arms about this are likely to be a certain age and most people of a certain age are up in arms over it. Most people seem to be making the first argument which even if the age bracket is wrong is not that unreasonable.

Mostly agreed, but for nuance to be missed, it would have to be that it was never considered (i.e. someone saying "all Boomers are mad about this"). Discussing anecdotal evidence regarding the age group of the most salty of the salty by its very nature eschews nuance.

I'm personally not missing any nuance. I'm flatly ignoring getting bogged down in it.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

On the newest episode of the hockey news podcast they briefly talked about Andersson and the medal thing and they said all of the hockey media that was there loved what he did

 

[Edge]

Behind every 2nd place trophy "millennial" recipient is a 'back in my day! Boomer that can't handle seeing their kids let down.

People love to criticize the millennials, and in fairness, some of the criticism is deserved.

But lost in a lot of the conversations and complaints is a hard look at who raised them. Where did their values come from? Who prepped them to be adults? Who taught and coached them? Who disciplined them?

If there is a problem the millennials, then there is clearly a problem with the generation who raised them. There's no way around it.

It should be worth noting that in many cases, millennials are the offspring of boomers. You know, the same generation that was labeled the "me generation" 30 years ago. The same generation that embraced the concept of smoking or snorting away their youth, who wanted to be perpetual teenagers, who defined themselves with bigger houses and sportier cars and more toys to show off and complained about the world they inherited from their parent's generation.

If there's a complaint to be made about millennials, the conversation should start by looking in the mirror first. Because this generation is but a reflection of the one it was raised by.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

You guys are hilarious...I almost wish the Swedes had won and then none of this would have happened.
Say, do you remember watching the episode of Futurama in New New York where the professor finds cardboard boxes that lead to a thousand alternative universes. Here's a break week project for some of you since there are no games this week. Search around town and see if you can find the box that leads to the universe where Sweden won junior gold, Lias has made HF boards ecstatic as he captained the NNY Rangers to the Cup, our coach is no longer AV and some forum members aren't whining about Pavel Benchnavic not playing or producing for that matter. When you find it, get back to me.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

People love to criticize the millennials, and in fairness, some of the criticism is deserved.

But lost in a lot of the conversations and complaints is a hard look at who raised them. Where did their values come from? Who prepped them to be adults? Who taught and coached them? Who disciplined them?

If there is a problem the millennials, then there is clearly a problem with the generation who raised them. There's no way around it.

It should be worth noting that in many cases, millennials are the offspring of boomers. You know, the same generation that was labeled the "me generation" 30 years ago. The same generation that embraced the concept of smoking or snorting away their youth, who wanted to be perpetual teenagers, who defined themselves with bigger houses and sportier cars and more toys to show off and complained about the world they inherited from their parent's generation.

If there's a complaint to be made about millennials, the conversation should start by looking in the mirror first. Because this generation is but a reflection of the one it was raised by.

Generalities and passing the buck.

 

[Bluto]

I got a second place trophy once. I threw it away.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

People love to criticize the millennials, and in fairness, some of the criticism is deserved.

But lost in a lot of the conversations and complaints is a hard look at who raised them. Where did their values come from? Who prepped them to be adults? Who taught and coached them? Who disciplined them?

If there is a problem the millennials, then there is clearly a problem with the generation who raised them. There's no way around it.

It should be worth noting that in many cases, millennials are the offspring of boomers. You know, the same generation that was labeled the "me generation" 30 years ago. The same generation that embraced the concept of smoking or snorting away their youth, who wanted to be perpetual teenagers, who defined themselves with bigger houses and sportier cars and more toys to show off and complained about the world they inherited from their parent's generation.

If there's a complaint to be made about millennials, the conversation should start by looking in the mirror first. Because this generation is but a reflection of the one it was raised by.

Well said. We have a thread on the politics board solely discussing this.

 

[Fvital92]

Let's have a marketing battle!

If one of you two can sell AV as a coach you should get a raise.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I got a second place trophy once. I threw it away.

the garbage wanted it more then you did hahaha

 

[Hunter Gathers]

the garbage wanted it more then you did hahaha

Did you guys see the dude on the main board saying Lias should've organized a charitable fundraiser to sell the medal? The concern trolling from Canadian fans is insane.

 

[McRanger]

I'm surprised people care about this that much.

I thought it was hilarious.

 

[Tawnos]

I’ve never understood why being proud of a high finish like second place means that you are satisfied to leave it there. That’s my biggest complaint about the “not first then last” attitude.

I’m mentioning this because I’ve seen a lot of it in this thread. LA can do what he wants with the medal, however it’s seen, but the fact that he was so upset with the silver that he threw it away does not mean he’s any more driven than the guys who wanted to keep theirs or even than the American bronze finishers who wanted to keep theirs.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Did you guys see the dude on the main board saying Lias should've organized a charitable fundraiser to sell the medal? The concern trolling from Canadian fans is insane.

You missed out, on Saturday I told one guy most of the media thought it was great and he then lost it I guess and compared what Lias did to terrorism

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Did you guys see the dude on the main board saying Lias should've organized a charitable fundraiser to sell the medal? The concern trolling from Canadian fans is insane.

That's nuts

 

[Samuel Culper III]

This thread sucks. Let’s talk about Lias Andersson’s separated shoulder, his actual play in the tournament, his play this year in Frolunda, whether he’s going to be on the roster next year. Anything besides whether analogy A is as valid as analogy B or if stereotyping and marketing engage in the same principles.

 

[kovazub94]

I’ve never understood why being proud of a high finish like second place means that you are satisfied to leave it there. That’s my biggest complaint about the “not first then last” attitude.

I’m mentioning this because I’ve seen a lot of it in this thread. LA can do what he wants with the medal, however it’s seen, but the fact that he was so upset with the silver that he threw it away does not mean he’s any more driven than the guys who wanted to keep theirs or even than the American bronze finishers who wanted to keep theirs.

I understand why so many athletes came to land their strong support to Lias to counterweight those extreme righteous figuratively calling for his life, but we all should keep it in mind that ultimately what he did, though excusable, was not right.
Now I'm baffled to see other "confessions" of throwing their medals away because they were not for a 1st place? Seriously??? I mean if you count coming to a 7-year old birthday party and coming in 2nd in a tag of war or something similar, then by all means. But if we are talking about something that you worked hard for, made serious sacrifices elsewhere in your life and possibly achieved together with your teammates-friends and coaches then I do not understand.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Well said. We have a thread on the politics board solely discussing this.

we have a politics board?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Did you guys see the dude on the main board saying Lias should've organized a charitable fundraiser to sell the medal? The concern trolling from Canadian fans is insane.

It's really easy for fans of a team that wins gold most years to tell a guy from a country that almost never wins it how he should feel or how he should behave after a loss.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I understand why so many athletes came to land their strong support to Lias to counterweight those extreme righteous figuratively calling for his life, but we all should keep it in mind that ultimately what he did, though excusable, was not right.
Now I'm baffled to see other "confessions" of throwing their medals away because they were not for a 1st place? Seriously??? I mean if you count coming to a 7-year old birthday party and coming in 2nd in a tag of war or something similar, then by all means. But if we are talking about something that you worked hard for, made serious sacrifices elsewhere in your life and possibly achieved together with your teammates-friends and coaches then I do not understand.

You make it sound like an objective fact that what he did was not right.