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Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

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SnowblindNYR said:
Reading this thread reminds me of why sometimes I'm annoyed by hockey fans. Hockey fans make up rules about "class" and "respect" that have ZERO relevance to anything. Seriously, ZERO people were in any way shape or form hurt by Lias's actions.

Mostly the people complaining about respect are the same people that 10-20 years ago were cheering on goons whose sole purpose was either to fight or hurt someone. @Machinehead mentioned something that got lost in this thread. Mark Messier was one dirty SOB. He's universally respected and a lot of that is BECAUSE he was so dirty. You know, he was a good tough hockey player. When someone mentions that he's a dirty player people just say "that's hockey" or "that was hockey back then". This isn't the 1650s, this was 20-30 years ago. Deliberately trying to hurt someone shouldn't be thrown under the rug because "it was a different game back then".

Look at this beautiful perfectly classy hockey player that everyone on this board drools over:



That was just over 20 years ago.

Here's a documentary lauding Messier called ****ing "goals and elbows".
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Did I do it right? :laugh:
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
This isn't about Messier. This is about hockey fans glorifying dirty plays and dirty players. You bringing up other players that did it back in the day inadvertently strengthens my point. For decades and to this day those 70s, 80s, and 90s, players and the style of hockey played back then has been glorified by the same fans that cry CLASSLESS every time something completely inconsequential happens because it's disrespectful to the invisible force called "the game" or "the tournament". Meanwhile actual human beings had their health ruined because of the style of play these people glorify.
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You could simply leave it as there are differences between fans that came of age during the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's and those who grew up in the age of Bettman and/or after the lockout. Whether it's better now than it was then--well that's debatable. If you think however that today's fans are somehow superior to yesteryear's that's laughable. You will always find good people and bad people wherever you go but most people are somewhere in a lighter gray area. I'm sure you can find of plenty of people to argue the pros and cons of that with in any case on whether Gretzky's or Orr's times are better than Crosby's or McDavid's time. IMO--it's the same game and at the same time it's a different game--like anything else it's evolving into something different than it was.

As for the players who 'had their health ruined'---they're pretty much the same players that Bettman and today's owners are trying to walk away from. They're the ones that are denying for instance all the concussion issues.
 
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eco's bones said:
You could simply leave it as there are differences between fans that came of age during the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's and those who grew up in the age of Bettman and/or after the lockout. Whether it's better now than it was then--well that's debatable. If you think however that today's fans are somehow superior to yesteryear's that's laughable. You will always find good people and bad people wherever you go but most people are somewhere in a lighter gray area. I'm sure you can find of plenty of people to argue the pros and cons of that with in any case on whether Gretzky's or Orr's times are better than Crosby's or McDavid's time. IMO--it's the same game and at the same time it's a different game--like anything else it's evolving into something different than it was.

As for the players who 'had their health ruined'---they're pretty much the same players that Bettman and today's owners are trying to walk away from. They're the ones that are denying for instance all the concussion issues.
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I'm not calling anyone a good or bad person. I'm calling people that glorified dirty plays but denounce lack of class regarding things that have no effect on anyone's well being as hypocrites. Not making a value judgment on anyone's character.
 
After this tournament this kid showed us exactly why they passed on Middlestadt. I love how much this kid wants to win. People can say what they want about him being immature or a sore loser. But what he showed me is an insane drive to win and accepting nothing less. Our organization needs a prospect like him.
 
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Ratelleitlikeitis said:
It's not his teammates I'm thinking about. They wouldn't initiate the congratulatory handshakes after getting their silver medals like the Canadians had the class to do for the Americans the previous year. I'm sure their emotional roller coaster was just as steep in that moment. The Swedes could have cared less as Dahlin's post interview displayed. Many of them are that one small step away from the professional stage. It's the message sent to thousands of younger hockey players that have I have a harder time with.
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Eh initiate the handshake? In international hockey there is a handshake after every game and its initiated when it is supposed to be initiated...

What I see more and more from Canadian kids are performance in their contract year. It’s not even something you hush about, it’s Xs contract year so he showed up in shape. Look at Evander Kane, he is a joke his entire contract and shows up only the last year. Brendan Smith, get a contract and party all summer. Nash was supposedly in great shake this year, since it’s a contract year.

X million USD per year isn’t enough to devote yourself?
 
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Not thrilled with what he did, but every teams needs someone with that passion and fire.

I wouldn't want a team full of players who might do something like that, but I sure as hell want a few of them. It's certainly something we've been missing since our cup run.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
And? It's his to do with whatever he wants. He didn't hurt anyone with it, aside from the millennials who are crying over how "unsportsmanlike" it is. Give me a break.
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Ohhhh those damn millenials again.

Give me a break. I have no problem what he did.
 
I don't keep 2nd place trophies either. 2nd place = first loser. I could care less about that conference champion trophy the Rangers won a couple of years ago.
 
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PlamsUnlimited said:
If he was a good old Canadian boy he'd be praised for it.
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Actually he wouldn't because Canadians accept the silver around their neck, then make a point to immediately go down the line of the gold medal winner and shake their hand, like they did last year when the US won in a ridiculous shootout! If ever there was a moment for a team to resort to emotional meltdown the Canadians showed how to take it and move on...to this year's gold as it happens!
 
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WagonWheel33 said:
Well millennials love their "loser trophies " so of course they will be offended that he threw his away.
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I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm. If it's not, then may I point out to you that Loser trophies aren't given out by millenials, they're given to them? And that I don't know a single one (including myself) that thinks they're anything other than bulls***?
 
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