Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

[Mikos87]

Can't say I spent any time reading the posts on this thread, but from the video:

Lias Andersson:

"I already have a silver from the U18s two years ago... I haven't touched it in two years"

He gave it to the fan cause the fan wanted it more.

This kid better have a f***ing letter on his chest when he cracks the team next year.

 

[Sayba]

He looks like he will be a good player but have to wonder why we didn't draft Casey Mittestadt, his offensive skill set is on another level. I know this has been mentioned previously but this was the first time I really got the chance to watch both players extensively.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I think the real tragedy is he gave a random guy a silver medal and all Amazing Kreiderman got was a puck

 

[darko]

I think the real tragedy is he gave a random guy a silver medal and all Amazing Kreiderman got was a puck

Especially since Amazing Kreiderman would'v been rocking a Frolunda jersey.

 

[Alluckks]

Oh. My. God. You're clearly doubling down on this so let me explain: A strawman is attacking someone else's argument by grossly exaggerating it or misrepresenting it. For example say you had said, "I don't think what Andersson did was wrong." A strawman would be if I responded with: "Oh really? Then clearly we might as well nominate him for president of the universe since you think he can do nothing wrong!!!" See? I'm not providing a counter-argument. I'm simply trying to make your position look foolish.

My post was my own opinion of why I felt it was disrespectful, not a statement of fact, nor an attack on someone else's argument. Stating my own opinion is not a strawman.

Also, 'outspoken' means to speak boldly or to be frank. It doesn't mean a reference to someone who speaks about something.

My argument was that it is not a big deal. You countered with a hypothetical of his teammates being upset by it with no evidence of that.

Attempting to correct someone on word usage without ever coming back to the main point of the conversation is the cry of someone who lost, or gave up, or just doesn't know anymore. Enjoy your night, bud. Hope ya don't lose sleep over Lias or have any nightmares of people giving things to fans.

 

[SnowFort]

Lias’ story on Instagram says he is currently in New York. Would there be a special reason for the Rangers to get him there or are they just getting a look at that shoulder injury and checking in on him?

 

[Irishguy42]

Lias’ story on Instagram says he is currently in New York. Would there be a special reason for the Rangers to get him there or are they just getting a look at that shoulder injury and checking in on him?

Maybe? Frolunda probably told him/Rangers to not rush getting back. Would make sense to have team doctors take a look at him.

 

[Mikos87]

Lias’ story on Instagram says he is currently in New York. Would there be a special reason for the Rangers to get him there or are they just getting a look at that shoulder injury and checking in on him?

Could be. Technically he's on loan, so the Rangers can play him in the AHL if they wanted to... or even call him up.

The Leafs did this with one Willie Nylander son of Michael.

 

[darko]

Lias’ story on Instagram says he is currently in New York. Would there be a special reason for the Rangers to get him there or are they just getting a look at that shoulder injury and checking in on him?

Rangers docs probably taking a peek at that shoulder.

 

[Trxjw]

My argument was that it is not a big deal. You countered with a hypothetical of his teammates being upset by it with no evidence of that.

Attempting to correct someone on word usage without ever coming back to the main point of the conversation is the cry of someone who lost, or gave up, or just doesn't know anymore. Enjoy your night, bud. Hope ya don't lose sleep over Lias or have any nightmares of people giving things to fans.

Actually, I outlined my position in a post to someone else. You decided to interject by calling it a strawman, and all I ever did was point that out you really don't understand what that means. Which you've proven several times over to still be the case. I'm not really sure what else to say at this point. You and I were never arguing over anything other than your lack of understanding about what a strawman is. You seem to be under the impression that because I was explaining my opinion to someone else who happened to agree with your own position, I must have been arguing with you by proxy.

How ever will I be able to sleep tonight?

 

[Alluckks]

Actually, I outlined my position in a post to someone else. You decided to interject by calling it a strawman, and all I ever did was point that out you really don't understand what that means. Which you've proven several times over to still be the case. I'm not really sure what else to say at this point. You and I were never arguing over anything other than your lack of understanding about what a strawman is. You seem to be under the impression that because I was explaining my opinion to someone else who happened to agree with your own position, I must have been arguing with you by proxy.

How ever will I be able to sleep tonight?

The reeking entitlement from this post just resonates with your stance on Lias' actions so well.

And you in fact did make up unsupported facts to help your own view lol

"An intentionally misrepresented position"

No one affiliated with Lias personally - coaches, teammates, family, friends, even AV said anything to go against Lias' actions. You made it up to help your own petty view...


And look at what thread you are in, the context, and your view - it is inherently argumentative.

You had a cynical and poor view of this and couldn't support it with anything substantial. When you got called out you resorted to definitions and such. Like, really lol

 

[Trxjw]

The reeking entitlement from this post just resonates with your stance on Lias' actions so well.

And you in fact did make up unsupported facts to help your own view lol

I haven't the slightest idea how explaining the series of events to you represents any sort of entitlement.

What I really don't appreciate is you saying I made up facts to help my own view, when in reality I did nothing of the sort. I said I felt what he did was disrespectful to his teammates, not that his teammates were claiming it was disrespectful. You do understand the difference between those things, right?

So please. Tell me where I made something up and stated it as a fact to help my own view.

 

[Alluckks]

I haven't the slightest idea how explaining the series of events to you represents any sort of entitlement.

What I really don't appreciate is you saying I made up facts to help my own view, when in reality I did nothing of the sort. I said I felt what he did was disrespectful to his teammates, not that his teammates were claiming it was disrespectful. You do understand the difference between those things, right?

So please. Tell me where I made something up and stated it as a fact to help my own view.

There is nothing to support that other than your own opinion, it is unfounded to the point that his teammates went so far as to say the medal had "zero value." It contradicts your view.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Reading this thread reminds me of why sometimes I'm annoyed by hockey fans. Hockey fans make up rules about "class" and "respect" that have ZERO relevance to anything. Seriously, ZERO people were in any way shape or form hurt by Lias's actions.

Mostly the people complaining about respect are the same people that 10-20 years ago were cheering on goons whose sole purpose was either to fight or hurt someone. @Machinehead mentioned something that got lost in this thread. Mark Messier was one dirty SOB. He's universally respected and a lot of that is BECAUSE he was so dirty. You know, he was a good tough hockey player. When someone mentions that he's a dirty player people just say "that's hockey" or "that was hockey back then". This isn't the 1650s, this was 20-30 years ago. Deliberately trying to hurt someone shouldn't be thrown under the rug because "it was a different game back then".

Look at this beautiful perfectly classy hockey player that everyone on this board drools over:



That was just over 20 years ago.

Here's a documentary lauding Messier called f***ing "goals and elbows".



And everyone's favorite Adam Graves, who is a great guy outside the ice, mind you. But he broke Lemieux's wrist in a 1992 playoff game and Rangers fans are still complaining about his suspension.

Here's the classy slash:



All of the people complaining because Lias Andersson did something of ZERO relevance to anyone's health or well being and in fact gifted someone a silver medal but are head over heels in love with how "tough" Messier is or are upset 25 years later that Adam Graves got suspended for a slash that broke Lemieux's wrist are hypocrites of the HIGHEST order.

 

[Machinehead]

Reading this thread reminds me of why sometimes I'm annoyed by hockey fans. Hockey fans make up rules about "class" and "respect" that have ZERO relevance to anything. Seriously, ZERO people were in any way shape or form hurt by Lias's actions.

Mostly the people complaining about respect are the same people that 10-20 years ago were cheering on goons whose sole purpose was either to fight or hurt someone. @Machinehead mentioned something that got lost in this thread. Mark Messier was one dirty SOB. He's universally respected and a lot of that is BECAUSE he was so dirty. You know, he was a good tough hockey player. When someone mentions that he's a dirty player people just say "that's hockey" or "that was hockey back then". This isn't the 1650s, this was 20-30 years ago. Deliberately trying to hurt someone shouldn't be thrown under the rug because "it was a different game back then".

Look at this beautiful perfectly classy hockey player that everyone on this board drools over:



That was just over 20 years ago.

Here's a documentary lauding Messier called ****ing "goals and elbows".



And everyone's favorite Adam Graves, who is a great guy outside the ice, mind you. But he broke Lemieux's wrist in a 1992 playoff game and Rangers fans are still complaining about his suspension.

Here's the classy slash:



All of the people complaining because Lias Andersson did something of ZERO relevance to anyone's health or well being and in fact gifted someone a silver medal but are head over heels in love with how "tough" Messier is or are upset 25 years later that Adam Graves got suspended for a slash that broke Lemieux's wrist are hypocrites of the HIGHEST order.

Scott Stevens is another widely respected player who people pine for because you "win with players like that," who was borderline homicidal on the ice.

I get that it was different back then, but the game is past that now and we need to move past that as far as building a team. Zuccarello is as competitive as they come but I've never seen him take a run at anyone and he's always been a brother to his teammates. That's fine. I don't think we need a motley crew of subhumans to win hockey games, but anything less than thuggery is condemned as "not having fire" or "not wanting to win."

There's always been questions about this team's desire, which I think is a bunch of crap. This core of players is the only team in NHL history to come back from 3-1 deficits in consecutive years. You can't tell me they didn't want it.

 

[Ola]

Is this a serious question? How about his teammates?

I can guarantee that kids that age are extremely thick skinned when it comes to experiencing sour losers. I would be very surprised if anyone of his teammates had their feelings hurt because of that.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

Wow. Love the kids great "intangibles" when he loses big games. Good for him. Not like he's not already under a giant microscope. Love all the excuses from the apologists already but expected them.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I will say this: If he was sitting on the bench smiling with his silver medal, we wouldn't hear the end of it either because people would call him a player who settles for second best and doesn't have what it takes, is not a real winner etc.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think the real tragedy is he gave a random guy a silver medal and all Amazing Kreiderman got was a puck

Hahahahaha. Man, that medal would go well with my Lias pucks and jersey collection

 

[eco's bones]

Reading this thread reminds me of why sometimes I'm annoyed by hockey fans. Hockey fans make up rules about "class" and "respect" that have ZERO relevance to anything. Seriously, ZERO people were in any way shape or form hurt by Lias's actions.

Mostly the people complaining about respect are the same people that 10-20 years ago were cheering on goons whose sole purpose was either to fight or hurt someone. @Machinehead mentioned something that got lost in this thread. Mark Messier was one dirty SOB. He's universally respected and a lot of that is BECAUSE he was so dirty. You know, he was a good tough hockey player. When someone mentions that he's a dirty player people just say "that's hockey" or "that was hockey back then". This isn't the 1650s, this was 20-30 years ago. Deliberately trying to hurt someone shouldn't be thrown under the rug because "it was a different game back then".

Look at this beautiful perfectly classy hockey player that everyone on this board drools over:



That was just over 20 years ago.

Here's a documentary lauding Messier called ****ing "goals and elbows".



And everyone's favorite Adam Graves, who is a great guy outside the ice, mind you. But he broke Lemieux's wrist in a 1992 playoff game and Rangers fans are still complaining about his suspension.

Here's the classy slash:



All of the people complaining because Lias Andersson did something of ZERO relevance to anyone's health or well being and in fact gifted someone a silver medal but are head over heels in love with how "tough" Messier is or are upset 25 years later that Adam Graves got suspended for a slash that broke Lemieux's wrist are hypocrites of the HIGHEST order.

To start---I have no problem with what Lias did the other night. Might as well get that out of the way.

How Messier and Graves played in their era wasn't all that unusual. It was a lot meaner and rougher back then than it is now. Messier was IMO a dirty player. Him and about 100 others playing around that same time. Mario by the way was too and yeah he got his wrist broken from a slash by Graves but what was conveniently overlooked then in the hoopla and not remembered today (apparently) is that Mario would take all the padding out of his gloves to have greater flexibility. That slash Graves gave him--watching games back then you'd see that same slash 30-40 times a night. It wasn't unusual--it just caught him right but Mario was at least somewhat culpable for the injury (at least in my eyes) in respect to his neglect of his own safety---kind of like Gretzky back in that same day with that f***ing kids version of a Jofa helmet. If you f*** around with your equipment don't be surprised when you get hurt. And with Mario---people complain about Crosby whining, whining and whining but he learned it from the king of crybabies (I'm speaking once again of Mario) and IMO Crosby doesn't even come very close to being the crybaby that Mario was.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Lias’ story on Instagram says he is currently in New York. Would there be a special reason for the Rangers to get him there or are they just getting a look at that shoulder injury and checking in on him?

He was given the opportunity to hand out medals at a midget tournament.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

I can guarantee that kids that age are extremely thick skinned when it comes to experiencing sour losers. I would be very surprised if anyone of his teammates had their feelings hurt because of that.

It's not his teammates I'm thinking about. They wouldn't initiate the congratulatory handshakes after getting their silver medals like the Canadians had the class to do for the Americans the previous year. I'm sure their emotional roller coaster was just as steep in that moment. The Swedes could have cared less as Dahlin's post interview displayed. Many of them are that one small step away from the professional stage. It's the message sent to thousands of younger hockey players that have I have a harder time with.

 

[RGY]

Love this kid. Next NYR captain

 

[NYR425]

These are two of my favorites..... the "its the message sent to thousands of younger hockey players that I have a harder time with" and " I sure their emotion roller coaster was just as steep in that moment"
"its the message sent to thousands of younger hockey players that I have a harder time with"
Please, we are having a debate like this because this country/ and this generation is filled with participation medals and has created a generation of whiners because of it. Get over it, he threw the silver medal into the stands. I loved it, and wish more would do things like that.
A Silver Medal is not won, it is in essence a participation medal. So the kid tossed his " Participation medal " in the crowd. He can play on my team any time. I love the message it sends, " You play to win"!!!! I tell my kids all the time, winning does matter. I will repeat it again...You play to win!! Hockey is an emotional sport, the problem with this Rangers team is they have no emotion. It starts with the coach and runs through the players. No type A personalities. You need emotional type A personalities on a hockey team.

" I sure their emotion roller coaster was just as steep in that moment"
You are comparing last years loser, Canada to this years loser Sweden. This Swedish team lost in the finals in both the 18 U and 16U Tournaments, not to mention how one sided the officiating was this year in the 3rd period. This Swedish team was held to a different standard by the officials in the 3rd period of the Gold Medal game. Those penalties called in the 3rd period would not be called in periods 1 or 2- 9 out of 10 times, forget about the 3rd period of a 1-1 Gold Medal game. Then add in the fact that similar Canadian offenses were let go during the 3rd period. Nothing like that happened to Canada the previous year. Nothing similar in the two teams experiences but of course " YOU ARE SURE "!!!

 

[will1066]

I will say this: If he was sitting on the bench smiling with his silver medal, we wouldn't hear the end of it either because people would call him a player who settles for second best and doesn't have what it takes, is not a real winner etc.

Seriously, how would any hockey player do that? Someone pointed out yesterday getting silver in hockey is not winning and is different than winning silver in any individual competition. If Lias was there smiling, he should be looking for another profession.