Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

[Alluckks]

Not sure how putting the medal in their pocket is even remotely comparable, but I digress.

The thing that seems to be going unnoticed by just about everyone is the context involved here. Everyone, pundits included, is talking in the context of Lias being an NHL prospect and top-10 pick. Folks can't wait to get this kid on their team because he "hates losing" and the Stanley Cup is the only trophy that matters and that's fine. I can understand that. I like his passion. However, there are kids on that team who will never compete for a Stanley Cup. There are kids on that team who will never crack the NHL. For some of those kids -- and mind you that's exactly what they are, just kids -- this is the greatest accomplishment they'll ever experience in their hockey careers: winning a medal playing for their country.

Now imagine being a kid like that and watching your captain pitch his medal into the crowd. How might that make them feel right now, let alone years from now? I have no problem with Lias being pissed about losing, or even giving his medal away to someone, but IMO he made a poor decision in the moment to do it publicly like that. It doesn't make him a bad person or a spoiled brat or anything of that nature, but to me, real leadership is picking your spots emotionally.

It's all a matter of opinion. I don't expect everyone to view it the way I do, but there are an awful lot of people who are jumping on the Ricky Bobby "if you ain't first, you're last" train who have a very narrow perspective of things.

This is the strawest of straw man. Literally no one on his team indicated those thoughts or expressed them.



He owned it and explained it and it makes sense.

And if you're a player that weighs your own accomplishments based on how others express themselves then you have a poor constitution for competition and shouldn't be there in the first place. If I won something and didn't like what someone else did with a similar prize it does not diminish the value I have for it.

 

[Alluckks]

Have any said they find this disrepectful to them?

No, but those arguments work better when you make things up rather than looking for any real information yourself.

 

[Alluckks]

No, I don't think it was about him giving away the medal but rather about the way he did it. But on additional viewing of the video, he didn't toss it out of spite. It looked like he really spotted that guy and decided to throw it to him. I'm echoing what's been said before: if it were me, I would've chosen a less conspicuous moment to give it away.

Holy guacamole, he literally said in an interview after that he knew that fan would value it much more than he ever would. It was a genuine gesture. It doesn't have to be some crazed display of anger or happiness, it can just be someone having a different value in something than you do. He did not do anything wrong here. People just want to have some persecution complex for something that has absolutely nothing to do with them, and with poor reasoning [if any at all] provided to boot.

 

[Alluckks]

This is the strawest of straw man. Literally no one on his team indicated those thoughts or expressed them.



He owned it and explained it and it makes sense.

And if you're a player that weighs your own accomplishments based on how others express themselves then you have a poor constitution for competition and shouldn't be there in the first place. If I won something and didn't like what someone else did with a similar prize it does not diminish the value I have for it.

Do you all hear those dumb questions? Torts would have shot one of those reporters in the face. Lias handled that like a captain. He answered everything, stood by his actions, explained his actions, and it made sense. He was respectful, polite, and informative. Y'all need to get out more.

 

[Trxjw]

This is the strawest of straw man. Literally no one on his team indicated those thoughts or expressed them.



He owned it and explained it and it makes sense.

And if you're a player that weighs your own accomplishments based on how others express themselves then you have a poor constitution for competition and shouldn't be there in the first place. If I won something and didn't like what someone else did with a similar prize it does not diminish the value I have for it.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to rush to the "nobody has said that out loud" defense. You also might want to reevaluate the concept of a straw man. Just a thought.

Saying a player shouldn't be there if they measure their accomplishments against others is... well, telling to say the least. I'll just agree to disagree.

 

[Alluckks]

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to rush to the "nobody has said that out loud" defense. You also might want to reevaluate the concept of a straw man. Just a thought.

Saying a player shouldn't be there if they measure their accomplishments against others is... well, telling to say the least. I'll just agree to disagree.

You're disagreeing with a majority of the outspoken hockey world. There, now I am referencing those who did say things out loud.

Straw man is an intentional misrepresentation created by someone for the purpose of furthering their own point. It is what you did. What you said is completely made up by you and carries literally no water.

I'll do a more literal translation for you since you wanted to challenge me in that way (for some reason?): Straw man, as in a fake person, as in the fact that you made up with nothing to support it other than your own thoughts.

And rather than alluding to what you think it is telling about me, why don't you just say it? Your condescending attitude here comes off pretty gross - it takes away from your credibility and makes me care less for your opinion. And if you wanted to express yourself in the same way to Lias he'd likely walk away before you got midway through your sentence.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Not sure how putting the medal in their pocket is even remotely comparable, but I digress.

The thing that seems to be going unnoticed by just about everyone is the context involved here. Everyone, pundits included, is talking in the context of Lias being an NHL prospect and top-10 pick. Folks can't wait to get this kid on their team because he "hates losing" and the Stanley Cup is the only trophy that matters and that's fine. I can understand that. I like his passion. However, there are kids on that team who will never compete for a Stanley Cup. There are kids on that team who will never crack the NHL. For some of those kids -- and mind you that's exactly what they are, just kids -- this is the greatest accomplishment they'll ever experience in their hockey careers: winning a medal playing for their country.

Now imagine being a kid like that and watching your captain pitch his medal into the crowd. How might that make them feel right now, let alone years from now? I have no problem with Lias being pissed about losing, or even giving his medal away to someone, but IMO he made a poor decision in the moment to do it publicly like that. It doesn't make him a bad person or a spoiled brat or anything of that nature, but to me, real leadership is picking your spots emotionally.

It's all a matter of opinion. I don't expect everyone to view it the way I do, but there are an awful lot of people who are jumping on the Ricky Bobby "if you ain't first, you're last" train who have a very narrow perspective of things.

While I can appreciate the sentiment behind the “think of the poor kids who won’t ever play for anything bigger and how this belittled their achievement” line of thinking, it just doesn’t hold water for me. I prefer the player who says “Listen guys, I’m glad that for you this is a huge accomplishment. Enjoy it. I’m sorry if I took anything away from it for you but, my path is greater. I earned that. And I’m going on to do bigger and better things.”

Is that “insensitive”? Probably. I don’t care. It’s competition. It’s his life. His career is just starting. You don’t filter yourself in order to make others feel better about themselves or artificially level the playing field. Lias is a #7 overall pick. He’s a competitor. Oh freaking well he isn’t satisfied with silver and he showed it. Boo boo for the kids who won’t get drafted. Tough luck. I’d rather the kid keeps his edge and offends one or two kids he’s teammates with for a month of his life than he water himself down so as not to upset anyone. He didn’t do something bad. He doesn’t have behavior issues. He isn’t difficult to coach. By all accounts he’s a coach’s dream. I refuse to take issue with this because someone on his team may have felt their accomplishment was belittled by LA’s actions.

 

[will1066]

Holy guacamole, he literally said in an interview after that he knew that fan would value it much more than he ever would. It was a genuine gesture. It doesn't have to be some crazed display of anger or happiness, it can just be someone having a different value in something than you do. He did not do anything wrong here. People just want to have some persecution complex for something that has absolutely nothing to do with them, and with poor reasoning [if any at all] provided to boot.

If a throng of media people gets up in your grille, with microphones and lights and all, after you did something, then surely there was/is some issue with what you did -- perceived or otherwise. I don't doubt that he really wanted that dude to have his medal. I already said this. The way he did it was questionable. And it was why he had to go explain himself. If it was a non-issue, the media wouldn't have jumped on it. Don't take it from me. You don't have to agree with me. Take it from the many people who think what he did was something worth tweeting, writing, and reporting about.

And by the way, the medal was given back to him. So maybe HE made a straw argument saying that dude wanted it.
Meet the fan who caught Sweden's silver medal after World Juniors final

 

[FireGerardGallant]

First Period just ended, time for Grapes

 

[haveandare]

While I can appreciate the sentiment behind the “think of the poor kids who won’t ever play for anything bigger and how this belittled their achievement” line of thinking, it just doesn’t hold water for me. I prefer the player who says “Listen guys, I’m glad that for you this is a huge accomplishment. Enjoy it. I’m sorry if I took anything away from it for you but, my path is greater. I earned that. And I’m going on to do bigger and better things.”

Is that “insensitive”? Probably. I don’t care. It’s competition. It’s his life. His career is just starting. You don’t filter yourself in order to make others feel better about themselves or artificially level the playing field. Lias is a #7 overall pick. He’s a competitor. Oh freaking well he isn’t satisfied with silver and he showed it. Boo boo for the kids who won’t get drafted. Tough luck. I’d rather the kid keeps his edge and offends one or two kids he’s teammates with for a month of his life than he water himself down so as not to upset anyone. He didn’t do something bad. He doesn’t have behavior issues. He isn’t difficult to coach. By all accounts he’s a coach’s dream. I refuse to take issue with this because someone on his team may have felt their accomplishment was belittled by LA’s actions.

I'd really hope he wouldn't say that at all, and especially as the captain of the team. I'm sure everyone else in the room understands being upset in that situation, I'm sure none of them were glowing with happiness that they lost in the finals. Many/most of them will look back later when it wears off a bit and be happy that they won a silver, but right now I don't think he needs to give any explanation, and I'd hope to sweet baby Jesus he wouldn't talk about how his future is brighter than theirs or anything like that.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

If a throng of media people gets up in your grille, with microphones and lights and all, after you did something, then surely there was/is some issue with what you did -- perceived or otherwise. I don't doubt that he really wanted that dude to have his medal. I already said this. The way he did it was questionable. And it was why he had to go explain himself. If it was a non-issue, the media wouldn't have jumped on it. Don't take it from me. You don't have to agree with me. Take it from the many people who think what he did was something worth tweeting, writing, and reporting about.

That’s not really true that there is automatically an issue with it. Any one who does something that stands out is going to have those microphones in their face. It doesn’t matter if what they did was good, bad or just out of the ordinary. Any break from the expectation will receive attention. That’s just modern media. The fact that he answered questions about it is predictable as anything. Doesn’t mean it automatically makes it a bad thing.

 

[Alluckks]

If a throng of media people gets up in your grille, with microphones and lights and all, after you did something, then surely there was/is some issue with what you did -- perceived or otherwise. I don't doubt that he really wanted that dude to have his medal. I already said this. The way he did it was questionable. And it was why he had to go explain himself. If it was a non-issue, the media wouldn't have jumped on it. Don't take it from me. You don't have to agree with me. Take it from the many people who think what he did was something worth tweeting, writing, and reporting about.

Media stirs up fake controversy to bait oversensitive internet folks... this is surprising to you? hah

 

[Alluckks]

That’s not really true that there is automatically an issue with it. Any one who does something that stands out is going to have those microphones in their face. It doesn’t matter if what they did was good, bad or just out of the ordinary. Any break from the expectation will receive attention. That’s just modern media. The fact that he answered questions about it is predictable as anything. Doesn’t mean it automatically makes it a bad thing.

It would be more telling to me if he dismissed the media and didn't answer anything.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Its on!

 

[Samuel Culper III]

I'd really hope he wouldn't say that at all, and especially as the captain of the team. I'm sure everyone else in the room understands being upset in that situation, I'm sure none of them were glowing with happiness that they lost in the finals. Many/most of them will look back later when it wears off a bit and be happy that they won a silver, but right now I don't think he needs to give any explanation, and I'd hope to sweet baby Jesus he wouldn't talk about how his future is brighter than theirs or anything like that.

Jesus, I didn’t mean I’d prefer him to LITERALLY say that. I meant I prefer someone who is authentic and doesn’t filter his actions because they MIGHT be mildly upsetting to someone else. I meant that that’s how his mind and spirit works. That’s his competitive nature. I didn’t mean to belittle anything for anyone. I am just focused on my career and I want and demand better. I want to win. I want to be great. I didn’t do it TO upset anyone. I didn’t mean it to be disrespectful. I showed how I felt.

 

[haohmaru]

Holy guacamole, he literally said in an interview after that he knew that fan would value it much more than he ever would. It was a genuine gesture. It doesn't have to be some crazed display of anger or happiness, it can just be someone having a different value in something than you do. He did not do anything wrong here. People just want to have some persecution complex for something that has absolutely nothing to do with them, and with poor reasoning [if any at all] provided to boot.

Everyone on the team got a medal to treasure their accomplishment, pawn at the local pawn shop, or toss into the crowd because it'll mean more to someone else.

It's an individual gesture, it's not a reflection upon his feelings towards his teammates nor is it belittling the value of their medal to them.

By all accounts he was respectful to the other team and his teammates. I'll bet there wasn't a single guy on team Sweden that wasn't disappointed by losing that game in the final two minutes of regulation. Think they're going look back on that with anything other than feeling like they should've won that game? I wouldn't if I were them.

Unconventional for sure, but I think there's a whole lot being read into this that isn't there.

 

[Trxjw]

You're disagreeing with a majority of the outspoken hockey world. There, now I am referencing those who did say things out loud.

Straw man is an intentional misrepresentation created by someone for the purpose of furthering their own point. It is what you did. What you said is completely made up by you and carries literally no water.

I'll do a more literal translation for you since you wanted to challenge me in that way (for some reason?): Straw man, as in a fake person, as in the fact that you made up with nothing to support it other than your own thoughts.

As I said, you might want to reevaluate your understanding of that.

Your first point also makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Trxjw]

While I can appreciate the sentiment behind the “think of the poor kids who won’t ever play for anything bigger and how this belittled their achievement” line of thinking, it just doesn’t hold water for me. I prefer the player who says “Listen guys, I’m glad that for you this is a huge accomplishment. Enjoy it. I’m sorry if I took anything away from it for you but, my path is greater. I earned that. And I’m going on to do bigger and better things.”

Is that “insensitive”? Probably. I don’t care. It’s competition. It’s his life. His career is just starting. You don’t filter yourself in order to make others feel better about themselves or artificially level the playing field. Lias is a #7 overall pick. He’s a competitor. Oh freaking well he isn’t satisfied with silver and he showed it. Boo boo for the kids who won’t get drafted. Tough luck. I’d rather the kid keeps his edge and offends one or two kids he’s teammates with for a month of his life than he water himself down so as not to upset anyone. He didn’t do something bad. He doesn’t have behavior issues. He isn’t difficult to coach. By all accounts he’s a coach’s dream. I refuse to take issue with this because someone on his team may have felt their accomplishment was belittled by LA’s actions.

Like I said, I understand not everyone will take my perspective of it. Not everyone is wired to think that way. I was simply stating why I felt it was disrespectful.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Shocked Cherry didn't mention the incident once. Even he knows it wasn't a big deal

 

[will1066]

That’s not really true that there is automatically an issue with it. Any one who does something that stands out is going to have those microphones in their face. It doesn’t matter if what they did was good, bad or just out of the ordinary. Any break from the expectation will receive attention. That’s just modern media. The fact that he answered questions about it is predictable as anything. Doesn’t mean it automatically makes it a bad thing.

Throwing it/not throwing it is the line between issue and non-issue, and media attention/no media attention. And like you said, that stood out. Good or bad.

 

[Siddi]

Is this a serious question? How about his teammates?

His teammates were equally as digusted with winning silver. "Zero value" was the most common soundbyte after the game.

 

[Alluckks]

As I said, you might want to reevaluate your understanding of that.

Your first point also makes no sense whatsoever.

That is literally what it is used for haha I don't think you understand very well. And my first point was that in this thread alone it has been shown that players, analysts, and his own teammates are perfectly fine with how he handled the situation. A majority means the greater amount; outspoken means those who spoke on the issue; and I hope you understand the context of saying the hockey world.

 

[Alluckks]

Throwing it/not throwing it is the line between issue and non-issue, and media attention/no media attention. And like you said, that stood out. Good or bad.

Most people are saying good.

 

[Trxjw]

That is literally what it is used for haha I don't think you understand very well. And my first point was that in this thread alone it has been shown that players, analysts, and his own teammates are perfectly fine with how he handled the situation. A majority means the greater amount; outspoken means those who spoke on the issue; and I hope you understand the context of saying the hockey world.

Oh. My. God. You're clearly doubling down on this so let me explain: A strawman is attacking someone else's argument by grossly exaggerating it or misrepresenting it. For example say you had said, "I don't think what Andersson did was wrong." A strawman would be if I responded with: "Oh really? Then clearly we might as well nominate him for president of the universe since you think he can do nothing wrong!!!" See? I'm not providing a counter-argument. I'm simply trying to make your position look foolish.

My post was my own opinion of why I felt it was disrespectful, not a statement of fact, nor an attack on someone else's argument. Stating my own opinion is not a strawman.

Also, 'outspoken' means to speak boldly or to be frank. It doesn't mean a reference to someone who speaks about something.

 

[Entrancemperium]

SKOGLUND: Kung Lias - Henrik Skoglund

Sorry it's in swedish but the columnist compares Lias to great swedish captains like Mats Sundin and Kenny Jönson and says it's great to have a future captain for the national team if he gets permission to play from "The big apple" as he's going to be there for a while.

Calls him King Lias. As an obvious hint towards king Henrik.