2017 Draft discussion- Sabres pick 8th. Part 2

[Jim Bob]

Button's top 4 is the same as mine.

So I have to rethink my entire life now.

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-hischier-edges-patrick-in-final-ranking-1.772654

1. Nico Hischier, C, Halifax (QMJHL)
HT: 6-1 WT: 176 S: L
GP: 57 G: 38 P: 86 PIM: 24

2. Nolan Patrick, C, Brandon (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 198 S: R
GP: 33 G: 20 P: 46 PIM: 36

3. Cale Makar, D, Brooks (AJHL)
HT: 5-11 WT: 180 SH: R
GP: 54 G: 24 P: 75 PIM: 18

4. Cody Glass, C, Portland (WHL)
HT: 6-2 WT: 178 S: R
GP: 69 G: 32 P: 94 PIM: 36

5. Miro Heiskanen, D, HIFK (SM Liiga)
HT: 6-0 WT: 170 S: L
GP: 37 G: 5 P: 10 PIM: 4

 

[Samsonite23]

Woah, where's Button's "out of nowhere" pick?

 

[Gabrielor]

I want to trade up for Makar.

 

[Sabreality]

Woah, where's Button's "out of nowhere" pick?

maybe Joseph at 13? pretty high but theres a lot to like with him, perhaps Heponiemi going in the 1st round? See him more as a mid 2nd guy.

 

[truthbluth]

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-hischier-edges-patrick-in-final-ranking-1.772654

This has been my top 5 for months. With Vilardi at 6, and Tippett and Mittelstadt following up. Then there is a drop.

 

[sabrebuild]

Button's top 4 is the same as mine.

So I have to rethink my entire life now.

Don't do anything drastic!!!

 

[Jame]

Woah, where's Button's "out of nowhere" pick?

PO Joseph at #13 ?

 

[Jame]

maybe Joseph at 13? pretty high but theres a lot to like with him, perhaps Heponiemi going in the 1st round? See him more as a mid 2nd guy.

I love Heponiemi. Such a good playmaker. I have him in that 20 range too.

 

[Sabreality]

I love Heponiemi. Such a good playmaker. I have him in that 20 range too.

maybe if he puts it all together, I just think his size is going to hold him back, love the IQ, but its not like he's a waterbug with his skating ability. If that improves 'maybe'

 

[Club]

Per Buttons rankings, Pettersson at 8, I would be thrilled!

 

[BananaSquad]

Cody Glass screams Toews in his draft year... i can see why Vancouver is trying to trade up to 3, im sure thats there pick.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Cody Glass screams Toews in his draft year... i can see why Vancouver is trying to trade up to 3, im sure thats there pick.

Vancouver should be able to get him at 5 IMO.

1/2. Patrick & Hischier
3. Heiskanen
4. Vilardi

 

[Ace]

Vancouver should be able to get him at 5 IMO.

1/2. Patrick & Hischier
3. Heiskanen
4. Vilardi

Heiskanen isn't going that high. Makar will. But I think Glass will pass Vilardi.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Losing hope that Makar might be there at 8th.

If it's Mittelstadt/Liljegren/Pettersson/Necas available I don't know who I'd want Botterill to take. Probably Liljegren.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

My opinion is BPA at #8 or trade the pick for a young top 4 Defenceman unless Kane is traded for a top 4 at the draft then make the pick who is highest rated on the board.

What are people's opinions about BPA vs need? I think BPA in the first round and need after that.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

My opinion is BPA at #8 or trade the pick for a young top 4 Defenceman unless Kane is traded for a top 4 at the draft then make the pick who is highest rated on the board.

What are people's opinions about BPA vs need? I think BPA in the first round and need after that.

Generally BPA, but if players are close on our board go for need. I wouldn't consider need only if there is considerable gap between BPA and next BPA that fits need according to our staff. Having said that I think we end up Valimaki as I think he will be the best D left and the gap between him and the forwards left won't be large enough to ignore need. Just my prediction. If for some reason we have Heiskanen or Makar at 8OA that would be great. If not, not sure. And I suspect we may have Valimaki higher on our board than Brannstrom or Liljegren, but I may be easily wrong of course lol

Of the forwards it seem it would be great if one of Glass or Vilardi drops to us but I am not optimistic. Not sold on Mittelstadt form what I've read.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

My opinion is BPA at #8 or trade the pick for a young top 4 Defenceman unless Kane is traded for a top 4 at the draft then make the pick who is highest rated on the board.

What are people's opinions about BPA vs need? I think BPA in the first round and need after that.

oh goody a BPA v need discussion, these are always a barrel of laughs

1c > top 4 D > 2c > top 6 w > else

hardly anyone gets a shot at drafting a 1c and you take it almost every opportunity you have it

D are in such huge demand and carry such huge value that you can acquire any position of need with a young D

wings are surplus, you can win without them, you can acquire them through multiple avenues where you just cant find top talent at C and D, the wing better be head and shoulders above the available talent to be worth taking over a top 6 c or a top 4 d

everything else isn't worth drafting in the 1st

both BPA and need fail to convey the realities of drafting talent in this NHL

 

[displacedsabre]

Losing hope that Makar might be there at 8th.

If it's Mittelstadt/Liljegren/Pettersson/Necas available I don't know who I'd want Botterill to take. Probably Liljegren.

Im torn b/w Liljegren and Pettersson in this scenario. I like Pettersson a bit bit better, but we need quality D in the stable. Wish Timmy would have went with Sergachev over Nylander last year, Id feel better about going forward this year, instead of feeling like forcing defense. I felt Sergachev and Nylander were pretty close overall, and we should have went D

 

[Husko]

Losing hope that Makar might be there at 8th.

If it's Mittelstadt/Liljegren/Pettersson/Necas available I don't know who I'd want Botterill to take. Probably Liljegren.

I'm thinking more and more that Valimaki is the #3 D off the board, not Liljegren.

 

[Icicle]

wings are surplus, you can win without them

We can't

 

[truthbluth]

I'm thinking more and more that Valimaki is the #3 D off the board, not Liljegren.

I think the 3rd D off the board could be any of:
Liljegren, Valimaki, Brannstrom, Foote, Hague, Vaakinainen, Joseph or Jokiharju
And that the 3rd could come off the board anywhere from 5OA, to 15OA.

Such a weird draft. Personally, I only see 2 D in the top 8 prospects, and a big drop off after that, so my preference would be to trade down a bit if you can get a nice piece, but I think if you like a guy, you just go get him.

 

[1972]

Cody Glass screams Toews in his draft year... i can see why Vancouver is trying to trade up to 3, im sure thats there pick.

If there is a run on D I am hoping Glass or Vilardi falls to us.

 

[labbatt]

I have watched Glass every home game, there is no way he drops to us... unless the hockey gods finally take pity on us.

 

[1972]

I have watched Glass every home game, there is no way he drops to us... unless the hockey gods finally take pity on us.

I think he's the one guy in the draft who has been ranked far higher on teams boards then draft rankings all year long. I can't imagine him getting past Vancouver, but honestly, I don't see why Patrick has unanimously been considered a better prospect then him and Vilardi.

 

[Jim Bob]

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/bakers-top-31-16-callan-foote/c-289819734

Baker's Top 31: #16 Callan Foote

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/bakers-top-31-15-juuso-valimaki/c-289827742

Baker's Top 31: #15 Juuso Valimaki

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/bakers-top-31-14-michael-rasmussen/c-289834630

Baker's Top 31: #14 Michael Rasmussen

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/bakers-top-31-13-lias-andersson/c-289834868

Baker's Top 31: #13 Lias Andersson

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/bakers-top-31-12-elias-pettersson/c-289834890

Baker's Top 31: #12 Elias Pettersson