WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 1

[Gigantor The Goalie]

What is the citizenship situation with Foote? I believe he is Adam Foote's son. Has he lived in Canada mostly, or USA?

He is in fact the son of Adam Foote. Mostly USA I think because when Foote retired he didn't want to take on any big role with the Avs because he wanted to spend time coaching his sons.

I have no idea why they invited Evan Cormier. Decent and solid goalie in his own right. Really shouldn't be near a national team right now though. Leaving Evan Fitzpatrick off is just wrong. Guess I should be happy they didn't waste a roster spot on Dylan Wells though.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Foote's another Chychrun/Brown situation.

 

[SpoolCat]

Shocking that Bear didn't get an invite far better than most of the guys on defence that were invited. Hopefully Foote decides to play for us he looks like he could be a good one.

 

[Tripod]

Nice to see Myers invited!!!

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Interesting (although, not surprising) that Jake Walman's not on the list. This year he'll be eligible to play for the US, so I assume that's what he'll do.

 

[JackSlater]

He is in fact the son of Adam Foote. Mostly USA I think because when Foote retired he didn't want to take on any big role with the Avs because he wanted to spend time coaching his sons.

If Foote is another American player with a Canadian father, I hope he turns up for the American camp instead.

Interesting (although, not surprising) that Jake Walman's not on the list. This year he'll be eligible to play for the US, so I assume that's what he'll do.

Walman is too old, thankfully. I hope he never seen any international hockey.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

If Foote is another American player with a Canadian father, I hope he turns up for the American camp instead.



Walman is too old, thankfully. I hope he never seen any international hockey.

Yeah, you're right. I was thinking he's a 97.

 

[Captain Timo]

The summer camp roster has been announced:

Goaltenders
Evan Cormier L 6’2†205 11/06/97 Bowmanville, Ont. Saginaw (OHL) 2016 Draft
Carter Hart L 6’1†170 08/13/98 Sherwood Park, Alta. Everett (WHL) 2016 Draft
Connor Ingram L 6’1†195 03/31/97 Imperial, Sask. Kamloops (WHL) 2016 Draft
Zach Sawchenko L 6’1†179 12/30/97 Calgary, Alta. Moose Jaw (WHL) 2016 Draft

Defense
Jake Bean L 6’1†170 06/09/98 Calgary, Alta. Calgary (WHL) 2016 Draft
Guillaume Brisebois L 6’2†187 07/21/97 Saint-Hilaire, Que. Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL) VAN 2015 (3, 66)
Thomas Chabot L 6’2†188 01/30/97 Sainte-Marie-de-Beauce, Que. Saint John (QMJHL) OTT 2015 (1, 18)
Jakob Chychrun L 6’2†214 03/31/98 Toronto, Ont. Sarnia (OHL) 2016 Draft
Dante Fabbro R 6’1†190 06/20/98 Coquitlam, B.C. Penticton (BCHL) 2016 Draft
Cal Foote R 6’4†198 12/13/98 Kelowna, B.C. Kelowna (WHL) 2017 Draft
Samuel Girard L 5’9†165 05/12/98 Roberval, Que. Shawinigan (QMJHL) 2016 Draft
Connor Hobbs R 6’1†196 01/04/97 Saskatoon, Sask. Regina (WHL) WSH 2015 (5, 143)
Noah Juulsen R 6’2†185 04/02/97 Abbotsford, B.C. Everett (WHL) MTL 2015 (1, 26)
Jérémy Lauzon L 6’2†207 04/28/97 Val-d’Or, Que. Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL) BOS 2015 (2, 52)
Philippe Myers L 6’4†206 01/25/97 Moncton, N.B. Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL) PHI 2015 (FA/JA)
Jérémy Roy R 6’0†190 05/14/97 Richelieu, Que. Sherbrooke (QMJHL) SJS 2015 (2, 31)
Matthew Spencer R 6’1†207 03/24/97 Oakville, Ont. Peterborough (OHL) TBL 2015 (2, 44)
Mitchell Vande Sompel L 5’10†180 02/11/97 London, Ont. Oshawa (OHL) NYI 2015 (3, 82)

Forwards
Mathew Barzal R 6’0†187 05/26/97 Coquitlam, B.C. Seattle (WHL) NYI 2015 (1, 16)
Anthony Beauvillier L 5’10†178 06/08/97 Sorel, Que. Shawinigan (QMJHL) NYI 2015 (1, 28)
Anthony Cirelli L 6’0†165 07/15/97 Woodbridge, Ont. Oshawa (OHL) TBL 2015 (3, 72)
Lawson Crouse L 6’4†212 06/23/97 Mt. Brydges, Ont. Kingston (OHL) FLA 2015 (1, 11)
Dillon Dubé L 5’10†180 07/20/98 Cochrane, Alta. Kelowna (WHL) 2016 Draft
Pierre-Luc Dubois L 6’3†202 06/24/98 Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, Que. Cape Breton (QMJHL) 2016 Draft
Julien Gauthier R 6’4†224 10/15/97 Pointe-aux-Trembles, Que. Val-d’Or (QMJHL) 2016 Draft
Brett Howden L 6’3†190 03/29/98 Oakbank, Man. Moose Jaw (WHL) 2016 Draft
Mathieu Joseph L 6’1†171 02/09/97 Chambly, Que. Saint John (QMJHL) TBL 2015 (4, 120)
Tyson Jost L 6’0†190 03/17/98 Kelowna, B.C. Penticton (BCHL) 2016 Draft
Graham Knott L 6’3†180 01/13/97 Holland Landing, Ont. Niagara (OHL) CHI 2015 (2, 54)
Keegan Kolesar R 6’2†220 04/08/97 Winnipeg, Man. Seattle (WHL) CBJ 2015 (3, 69)
Travis Konecny R 5’10†176 03/11/97 Clachan, Ont. Sarnia (OHL) PHI 2015 (1, 24)
Mitchell Marner R 5’11†164 05/05/97 Thornhill, Ont. London (OHL) TOR 2015 (1, 4)
Michael McLeod R 6’2†187 02/03/98 Mississauga, Ont. Mississauga (OHL) 2016 Draft
Nick Merkley R 5’10†185 05/23/97 Calgary, Alta. Kelowna (WHL) ARI 2015 (1, 30)
Nolan Patrick R 6’3†195 09/19/98 Winnipeg, Man. Brandon (WHL) 2017 Draft
Nicolas Roy R 6’4†202 02/05/97 Amos, Que. Chicoutimi (QMJHL) CAR 2015 (4, 96)
Zach Senyshyn R 6’2†195 03/30/97 Ottawa, Ont. Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) BOS 2015 (1, 15)
Deven Sideroff R 5’11†178 04/14/97 Summerland, B.C. Kamloops (WHL) ANA 2015 (3, 84)
Tyler Soy L 5’11†172 02/10/97 Cloverdale, B.C. Victoria (WHL) 2016 Draft
Mitchell Stephens R 6’0†195 02/05/97 Peterborough, Ont. Saginaw (OHL) TBL 215 (2, 33)
Dylan Strome L 6’3†194 03/07/97 Mississauga, Ont. Erie (OHL) ARI 2015 (1, 3)

Bolded represent who I think will make the team. Obviously I won't be 100% correct because there's usually 1 or 2 guys who weren't invited that make the team.

 

[1Gold Standard]

If Foote is another American player with a Canadian father, I hope he turns up for the American camp instead.



Walman is too old, thankfully. I hope he never seen any international hockey.

a couple of invites and non-invites that are head scratchers. but par for the course of Hockey Canada lunacy. It's to be expected.

 

[sa cyred]

Nice to see Myers invited!!!

Only FA invited .

People like to pimp point totals for a defender when evaluating. Well not only does he score points but he is a 6'5 and great on defense (which is his forte anyway).

 

[FLYguy3911]

Only FA invited .

People like to pimp point totals for a defender when evaluating. Well not only does he score points but he is a 6'5 and great on defense (which is his forte anyway).

Tyler Soy and Connor Ingram went undrafted last year but likely get picked this week.

 

[jj cale]

I see Sean Day has been named to the U.S. camp.

The chl gives him exceptional status with a big reason hoping he would be in the Canada camp going forward. All seems well, he tweets about how great it is to be Canadian , he then massively under performs to the point where he is never even considered for a tryout on a Canadian team, then he starts tweeting shout outs to the American team when their team has success(seeing the handwriting on the wall of course).The next thing you know, he's named to the American camp which of course he will attend.

The dual nationality thing in International hockey is kind of out of control, it has become a mercenary joke type of affair and looks bad on both countries and quite frankly the kids.

And dare I say it, it kind of cheapens the spirit of International competition.

Does this type of stuff go on with such frequency in other sports?

I am starting to come around to jack slaters way of thinking on this, the whole business has gotten out of hand.

 

[86Habs]

I see Sean Day has been named to the U.S. camp.

The chl gives him exceptional status with a big reason hoping he would be in the Canada camp going forward. All seems well, he tweets about how great it is to be Canadian , he then massively under performs to the point where he is never even considered for a tryout on a Canadian team, then he starts tweeting shout outs to the American team when their team has success(seeing the handwriting on the wall of course).The next thing you know, he's named to the American camp which of course he will attend.

The dual nationality thing in International hockey is kind of out of control, it has become a mercenary joke type of affair and looks bad on both countries and quite frankly the kids.

And dare I say it, it kind of cheapens the spirit of International competition.

Does this type of stuff go on with such frequency in other sports?

I am starting to come around to jack slaters way of thinking on this, the whole business has gotten out of hand.

****, they can have him.

 

[jj cale]

****, they can have him.

I agree, but that's not my point.

The whole dual thing is becoming like a soap opera.

It's annoying.

 

[86Habs]

I agree, but that's not my point.

The whole dual thing is becoming like a soap opera.

It's annoying.

It's certainly more prevalent now, and these cases seem to happen every year or so now at the junior level. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the higher degree of mobility between Canada and the U.S. (i.e., their parents may have been born in Canada but worked in the U.S. for a period), and many of the recent cases obviously involve the sons of former NHL players. Back in the day, there was Brett Hull, and a few random weird incidents like Peter Stastny playing for Canada at the 1984 Canada Cup and Bryan Trottier playing for the U.S. at that same tournament.

 

[JackSlater]

I see Sean Day has been named to the U.S. camp.

The chl gives him exceptional status with a big reason hoping he would be in the Canada camp going forward. All seems well, he tweets about how great it is to be Canadian , he then massively under performs to the point where he is never even considered for a tryout on a Canadian team, then he starts tweeting shout outs to the American team when their team has success(seeing the handwriting on the wall of course).The next thing you know, he's named to the American camp which of course he will attend.

The dual nationality thing in International hockey is kind of out of control, it has become a mercenary joke type of affair and looks bad on both countries and quite frankly the kids.

And dare I say it, it kind of cheapens the spirit of International competition.

Does this type of stuff go on with such frequency in other sports?

I am starting to come around to jack slaters way of thinking on this, the whole business has gotten out of hand.

The bolded is the key point. When you have mercenaries like Day or Jake Walman, it cheapens the whole thing. You cannot control what any player thinks of course, but players should at least represent the hockey of the country they are representing. Day grew up in USA - it's good if he goes on to play for them. Walman likewise is a Canadian player who just happens to have American citizenship - it's pretty ridiculous for him to represent American hockey. It looks bad on Hockey Canada to even pursue these players.

This type of situation is worse in other sports like basketbll and especially soccer. In hockey, the soap opera element should simply be removed from the player's control by the IIHF. In what country's development system did you spend the most time playing hockey? There - play for that country. If you don't want to, then don't play. Pretty simple.

 

[jj cale]

The bolded is the key point. When you have mercenaries like Day or Jake Walman, it cheapens the whole thing. You cannot control what any player thinks of course, but players should at least represent the hockey of the country they are representing. Day grew up in USA - it's good if he goes on to play for them. Walman likewise is a Canadian player who just happens to have American citizenship - it's pretty ridiculous for him to represent American hockey. It looks bad on Hockey Canada to even pursue these players.

This type of situation is worse in other sports like basketbll and especially soccer. In hockey, the soap opera element should simply be removed from the player's control by the IIHF. In what country's development system did you spend the most time playing hockey? There - play for that country. If you don't want to, then don't play. Pretty simple.

I'm starting to come around to your way of thinking. I would still disagree about the walman situation though, I do believe Walman was a go for the U.S team before he was injured no? I think it is U.S hockey that looks bad there for trying to pursue him. Both countries are really losing their compass in terms of these duals.

I have one aspect of your reasoning that still troubles me though.

Take me for instance. Say I was a hockey player who played my whole career in the U.S, got married and raised my child as a Canadian culturally all his life. Now of course the kid has a mind of his own but what if i succeeded in having him identify as a Canadian though he spent the better part of his life growing up in the U.S?. What if my kid is good enough to get named to the Canadian camp and my son thinks of himself as Canadian, has Canadian citizenship and wants to play for Canada going forward?

I'd be damn pissed if he was forced to play for the U.S. What do we do in a situation like this?

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I'm starting to come around to your way of thinking. I would still disagree about the walman situation though, I do believe Walman was a go for the U.S team before he was injured no? I think it is U.S hockey that looks bad there for trying to pursue him. Both countries are really losing their compass in terms of these duals.

I have one aspect of your reasoning that still troubles me though.

Take me for instance. Say I was a hockey player who played my whole career in the U.S, got married and raised my child as a Canadian culturally all his life. Now of course the kid has a mind of his own but what if i succeeded in having him identify as a Canadian though he spent the better part of his life growing up in the U.S?. What if my kid is good enough to get named to the Canadian camp and my son thinks of himself as Canadian, has Canadian citizenship and wants to play for Canada going forward?

I'd be damn pissed if he was forced to play for the U.S. What do we do in a situation like this?

Ask Cal Foote....

 

[jj cale]

Ask Cal Foote....

If that is the situation with cal foote I would indeed like to ask him.

Not sure of the particulars there yet, are you?

I'd be interested to know for sure.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Ask Cal Foote....

correct me if I'm wrong, but Cal Foote is not eligible to play for Canada in the 2017 WJHC as he's only played 1 year in Canada. The rule for dual citizens is 2 consecutive years in the country he wishes to represent. or so I thought.

So, if that's the case, HC is bringing an ineligible player to a summer camp when that spot could and should go to a more deserving player.

 

[jj cale]

correct me if I'm wrong, but Cal Foote is not eligible to play for Canada in the 2017 WJHC as he's only played 1 year in Canada. The rule for dual citizens is 2 consecutive years in the country he wishes to represent. or so I thought.

So, if that's the case, HC is bringing an ineligible player to a summer camp when that spot could and should go to a more deserving player.

More games then.

Just what we need.

 

[1Gold Standard]

More games then.

Just what we need.

I just call it Hockey Canada lunacy. They do it well.

 

[JackSlater]

I'm starting to come around to your way of thinking. I would still disagree about the walman situation though, I do believe Walman was a go for the U.S team before he was injured no? I think it is U.S hockey that looks bad there for trying to pursue him. Both countries are really losing their compass in terms of these duals.

I suppose I should have phrased that better. The Walman situation looked bad for all involved. He looked bad for trying to play for USA, presumably an easier team for a defenceman to make last year, despite being born and raised in Canada. Hockey Canada looked bad for going after a player who said he wanted to play for USA. USA Hockey looked bad for going after an obviously Canadian player. USA Hockey is clearly the most shameless in pursuing players from other nations, but Hockey Canada is quickly catching up.

I have one aspect of your reasoning that still troubles me though.

Take me for instance. Say I was a hockey player who played my whole career in the U.S, got married and raised my child as a Canadian culturally all his life. Now of course the kid has a mind of his own but what if i succeeded in having him identify as a Canadian though he spent the better part of his life growing up in the U.S?. What if my kid is good enough to get named to the Canadian camp and my son thinks of himself as Canadian, has Canadian citizenship and wants to play for Canada going forward?

I'd be damn pissed if he was forced to play for the U.S. What do we do in a situation like this?

I really don't care if a person somehow feels culturally Canadian despite living mostly in the United States. We aren't talking about voting rights or sending people off to war. If this player grew up in the American hockey system, then they have little reason to represent Canadian hockey. If the player doesn't want to play for USA, luckily there wouldn't be a gun to their head and they could sit out.

Ask Cal Foote....

Seems like Hockey Canada should be embarrassed for inviting him. American player, and doesn't seem good enough to actually contend for a spot on the team. Looks like a weak attempt to engender the loyalty of a dual citizen.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

If that is the situation with cal foote I would indeed like to ask him.

Not sure of the particulars there yet, are you?

I'd be interested to know for sure.

I mentioned his name because he may fit the criteria you are describing: Born/raised in the U.S. by Canadian parents and who (apparently) identifies as Canadian. The fact Hockey Canada invited him to the camp this year means:

* He is eligible under some circumstances we are not aware of
* He is ineligible this year but they are bringing him along for experience in order to get him in the fold when he does become eligible

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Regarding the Foote family:

An additional 111 players from throughout the country — including Eli Zummack of Kelowna and the Okanagan (major midget) Rockets and Kelowna Rockets’ 2015 bantam draft, Nolan Foote — have been invited to participate in Canada’s national under-17 development camp. They’ll take part in practices and be split into six teams for scrimmages.

https://www.kelownanow.com/watercoo..._Jost_invited_to_Canadian_junior_summer_camp/