Speculation: 2017-18 Roster Discussion - Part 2

[Todd1a]

Dfc and Ronnie gets what I'm talking about on this board! It's frustrating that yzerman can't finish off this process at this point. Looking back I think he rushed the drouin trade for no reason at all.

 

[Rschmitz]

And how many times have the Blackhawks done this and won! We seem to be the Canucks, rangers and sharks and are somehow ok with that!

What?! I actually couldn't think of a more perfect example of why you can't "go for it" than the Blackhawks. They have to constantly dismantle key pieces of their team so that they can afford the core. The first time they won the cup they had to dump Byugflien and Ladd. The second time they had to drop Sadd, Oduya, Verstegg, and sacrifice Teravainen to dump the Bickell contract. This off season they've had to deal Panarin and Hjalmarsson at a discount, and somewhere in there they lost Sharp too.

These are guys they've drafted and developed, not free agent pickups. They were also extremely fortunate that the NHL let them get away with the Keith and Hossa cap circumvention contracts that allowed them room to do as they pleased over the years.

Now....who have they added via free agency? Anyone? They've got to pick off guys like Panik from the scrap heap and hope he has a breakthrough because they can't afford anyone else. They are not the role model "going for it" franchise.

 

[Felonious Python]

Calls on Johnson this team right now has to Add a top 6 forward not lose one lol

'Taking calls on' says to me that they're primarily in listening mode. If they were actively shopping him, that would be a different thing.

 

[Rschmitz]

Oh, almost forgot about Leddy. That right there is a vicious cycle of making the cap work. They got Leddy from Minny for Barker originally due to cap constraints, and then dealt him to the Isles for a collection of low end prospects highlighted by Ville Pokka because they were over the cap going into the 2014 season.

They made it work by dumping contracts like how Yzerman is doing.

 

[Todd1a]

What?! I actually couldn't think of a more perfect example of why you can't "go for it" than the Blackhawks. They have to constantly dismantle key pieces of their team so that they can afford the core. The first time they won the cup they had to dump Byugflien and Ladd. The second time they had to drop Sadd, Oduya, Verstegg, and sacrifice Teravainen to dump the Bickell contract. This off season they've had to deal Panarin and Hjalmarsson at a discount, and somewhere in there they lost Sharp too.

These are guys they've drafted and developed, not free agent pickups. They were also extremely fortunate that the NHL let them get away with the Keith and Hossa cap circumvention contracts that allowed them room to do as they pleased over the years.

Now....who have they added via free agency? Anyone? They've got to pick off guys like Panik from the scrap heap and hope he has a breakthrough because they can't afford anyone else. They are not the role model "going for it" franchise.

Stan bowman 3 Stanley cups as a gm vs steve yzerman 0 Stanley cups as a gm. Yzerman is a good gm but you can't even compare him to bowman yet. The Blackhawks will get another cup before the lightning do! Just watch bowman work as he has. Don't know if Scotty bowman taught Stan well but he is a darn good gm.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Dfc and Ronnie gets what I'm talking about on this board! It's frustrating that yzerman can't finish off this process at this point. Looking back I think he rushed the drouin trade for no reason at all.

"Rushed" the Drouin trade? They could have traded him when he requested the trade but they waited until he increased his trade value. Looking back on this I'm surprised they didn't trade him back at the deadline.

 

[Todd1a]

Oh, almost forgot about Leddy. That right there is a vicious cycle of making the cap work. They got Leddy from Minny for Barker originally due to cap constraints, and then dealt him to the Isles for a collection of low end prospects highlighted by Ville Pokka because they were over the cap going into the 2014 season.

They made it work by dumping contracts like how Yzerman is doing.

They got sadd back watch him work with toews well again

 

[Rschmitz]

Stan bowman 3 Stanley cups as a gm vs steve yzerman 0 Stanley cups as a gm. Yzerman is a good gm but you can't even compare him to bowman yet. The Blackhawks will get another cup before the lightning do! Just watch bowman work as he has. Don't know if Scotty bowman taught Stan well but he is a darn good gm.

I'm not comparing Bowman to Yzerman. I'm telling you that Bowman is doing the exact opposite of what you are claiming he is doing.

 

[T REX]

It's frustrating to say the least I don't like our philosophy it's like let's keep rebuilding so we don't have to rebuild massively one day ? Instead of let's finish our rebuild into a cup contender. I don't feel like we even try to make our selves a serious cup contender sometimes? Our goal right now should be to surround our core guys with the best possible players to complete for the cup for the next 3 years! Because like it or not hedman and stamkos are not super young anymore. I think yzerman over values some of his prospects a lot. When do we get to step 2 ? I'm not totally trashing yzerman since 2010 yzerman has been awesome rebuilding this team! But it seems like we are ready for the final step now and for what ever reason he just won't go there ?

I really think this is a fair assessment.

 

[Todd1a]

"Rushed" the Drouin trade? They could have traded him when he requested the trade but they waited until he increased his trade value. Looking back on this I'm surprised they didn't trade him back at the deadline.

They rushed to to protect killorn and vladdy I think . Drouins value was not going to decrease at all it may have increased by this weekend! This is a very weak fa class! Someone may have went very hard for drouin.

 

[Rschmitz]

They rushed to to protect killorn and vladdy I think . Drouins value was not going to decrease at all it may have increased by this weekend! This is a very weak fa class! Someone may have went very hard for drouin.

Agreed here. I think Yzerman should have waited. Maybe they really wanted Sergachev and thought he'd be dealt for Duchene if they didn't act.

 

[Todd1a]

I really think this is a fair assessment.

Thank you

 

[Leonardo87]

"Rushed" the Drouin trade? They could have traded him when he requested the trade but they waited until he increased his trade value. Looking back on this I'm surprised they didn't trade him back at the deadline.

Yzerman did well with the Drouin trade. He did not want to be here and was not going to take a bridge deal and be a team player. Yzerman will hopefully make good with the cap space. Got a promising D prospect as well as the cap space.

 

[T REX]

Can anyone make the argument that trading Drouin made us better for the upcoming season? Anyone?

 

[The Macho King]

Can anyone make the argument that trading Drouin made us better for the upcoming season? Anyone?

Jesus christ is our roster finalized? Until we have an opening night roster can you guys just quit ****ing whining about it?

All of this over a power play specialist.

 

[Todd1a]

Yzerman did well with the Drouin trade. He did not want to be here and was not going to take a bridge deal and be a team player. Yzerman will hopefully make good with the cap space. Got a promising D prospect as well as the cap space.

The cap space means not if there is no talent out there to fill it. We traded our best asset for a prospect as a cup contender! At this stage you just don't do that. If we were rebuilding sure then you do that.

 

[Rschmitz]

Can anyone make the argument that trading Drouin made us better for the upcoming season? Anyone?

Cap space

Jesus christ is our roster finalized? Until we have an opening night roster can you guys just quit ****ing whining about it?

All of this over a power play specialist.

^^^^^^

 

[Todd1a]

Can anyone make the argument that trading Drouin made us better for the upcoming season? Anyone?

For the upcoming season absolutely not we are worse!! Far worse for the futures to be determined if the prospect pans out well.

 

[Rschmitz]

All this depressive **** is killing the vibe from a pretty good draft. Maybe it's time to take a forum break till July 1st.

 

[Todd1a]

All this depressive **** is killing the vibe from a pretty good draft. Maybe it's time to take a forum break till July 1st.

It absolutely was a solid draft agree there! But this club is worse then the 94 point club a year ago.

 

[JoVel]

Last year everyone was losing their minds when the Oilers traded Hall for Larsson. After that trade the Oilers signed Lucic on July 1st. Did the trade look that bad after that signing? Yeah, just wait calmly before saying our roster will be worse than the Vegas next season.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

for everyone take your damned bi polar pills already todd it will be ok

i think we are better moving forward without drouin absolutely if the rumor is true he was not a good locker mate which shows in his leaving statements etc..

IF YOU ARE NOT 100% SOLD IN IT SHOWS AND BRINGS OTHERS DOWN

IE:TODD IS 100% IN just he needs to find something some logic that will explain to him is 30 teams now 31 and only 1 wins the cup.

look at LA? 2 cups 3 years 3 years no playoffs ITS HARDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

We are working towards it if you think you can do a better job then yzerman has done your a fool.

Anyway is all good sergachev is big add callan foote bigger i expect both guys to be on this team in 2018 at latest.

There is our two righty d men of the future letssssssssssss goooooooooo

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

It absolutely was a solid draft agree there! But this club is worse then the 94 point club a year ago.

bulllllll shioooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttt
healthy stamkos changes everything on this team EVERYTHING BUY A CLUE

 

[Todd1a]

Last year everyone was losing their minds when the Oilers traded Hall for Larsson. After that trade the Oilers signed Lucic on July 1st. Did the trade look that bad after that signing? Yeah, just wait calmly before saying our roster will be worse than the Vegas next season.

No I liked that trade the oilers did larsson was a established top 4 NHL d man not a prospect

 

[JoVel]

No I liked that trade the oilers did larsson was a established top 4 NHL d man not a prospect

But we still can replace Drouin with a FA who is just as good as him (and maybe someone who actually wants to play with us).