Perhaps because he'll be a UFA in 2 years? What's he going to get as a contract right now? I doubt it's 2m+ unless there's 3/4 years of term there. Which means he'll be cheap and probably half decent... but he'll almost certainly be a FA at the end of his next contract. Do you think he stays in LV?
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Perhaps because he'll be a UFA in 2 years? What's he going to get as a contract right now? I doubt it's 2m+ unless there's 3/4 years of term there. Which means he'll be cheap and probably half decent... but he'll almost certainly be a FA at the end of his next contract. Do you think he stays in LV?
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Seems like a moot point on Hainsey. Sure sounds like the only guy out of the UFA defensemen they'd consider bringing back is Daley, and even that's not too likely.
Speaking Moistly
What a terrible image.
Galchenyuk is a C, though... well... he was drafted as one and sometimes tried as one in Montreal...
ColePens
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No. No they cannot. What guys like Hornqvist and Simmonds can do, in their own unique way, is almost a lost art in the NHL nowadays. There are not terrific net front guys anymore who can battle/finish. They just can't. It's nothing a coach can coach. It's almost extinct at the NHL level, too.
I will agree to disagree, but I also want it known that I'm all for keep Hags this year. Unless there is a hockey trade out there, I love what he brings. He fits anywhere from L1-4, brings speed, and kills penalties. If we lose Bones and Cully, we need shot blocking forwards who kill penalties. Losing the shot blocking and pts that those guys bring is NOT going to be easy. Losing hags on top of it just adds to the pressure. That has to be a perfect hockey trade and I'd be fine moving Hags. Hornqvist - no. I am not okay with moving him. Unless JR has that someone in mind to grab to help us get the dirty goals.
Galchenyuk as a centre is like telling the hot girl at the bar that you're a rock star because you've played three gigs and some people actually stayed to the end for one of them.
Least, that's the impression that I get. If more knowledgeable people wanna correct me, go for it.
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Hainsey depends on the price. Keep in mind he's only going to log significant minutes if we have no other choice. I do think people are remembering his post-Cup interviews and what not more than his overall play in the playoffs though, and he'll be 37 when next year's playoffs roll around.
All I know about that guy is that he was producing at a pretty decent clip until they started trying him at all kinds of different positions. Mtl or someone else can likely clarify, but on the surface I don't see what the big problem is with this player. I mean, I see his totals and I'm not sure what a team wants out of a young player. All I hear about is how they want rid of him and from here I just cannot see why.
All I know about that guy is that he was producing at a pretty decent clip until they started trying him at all kinds of different positions. Mtl or someone else can likely clarify, but on the surface I don't see what the big problem is with this player. I mean, I see his totals and I'm not sure what a team wants out of a young player. All I hear about is how they want rid of him and from here I just cannot see why.
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Yeah, kind of the Kessel situation with us. Toronto was going through a complete rebuild, and btw, ended up with the number one overall and likely would not had they kept Kessel.
There are moves left to make, but it certainly does not look like Vegas is going to try and be all that competitive. If they are gutting the team and going for a couple of top five picks in a row Schmidt would be gone first chance he got in a couple of years anyways, and would not be part of the tank job until then.
I do wonder why he hasn't been talked about more as being somebody we could bring back.
Is it a money thing or has his play dropped off from 12 months ago?
Speaking Moistly
What a terrible image.
By deking the everloving crap out of Neal
I like to think of that as the moment Nashville lost the cup because it was so absurd.
I think Montreal fans are still fighting over that, tbh.
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2 goals, 6 assists in the playoffs. Olli Maatta.
2 goals, 6 assists in the playoffs. Ron Hainsey.
I'll drop it though since apparently JR is only considering Daley among our UFAs.
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Hainsey shouldn't come back.
Regardless of how poor Maatta was playing, he's still better than Hainsey. He fits the team better. Hainsey would be a waste of cap space. He served his purpose. It was a nice story. He was a player that never played a single playoff game and ended up winning the Stanley Cup. It's a nice story but it's time to move on.
I'd still swap Maatta with Tanev. I'm not sure if a 2nd or 3rd round pick would be needed but in my opinion that's the kind of trade the Penguins need to consider making.
Regardless of how poor Maatta was playing, he's still better than Hainsey. He fits the team better. Hainsey would be a waste of cap space. He served his purpose. It was a nice story. He was a player that never played a single playoff game and ended up winning the Stanley Cup. It's a nice story but it's time to move on.
I'd still swap Maatta with Tanev. I'm not sure if a 2nd or 3rd round pick would be needed but in my opinion that's the kind of trade the Penguins need to consider making.
Speaking Moistly
What a terrible image.
Both? He's a guy who relies on his skating and he's had a number of lower body injuries in his time here. I think we've already seen them take a toll; I wouldn't say he's the same player he was last year. Given his age, that this is most likely his last time to cash in and those injuries the risk is offputtimg
Hagelin is the type of player that a team like ours can afford, and needs. He doesn't measurably score, or hit, or bring something tangible for that contract. But there is no denying that when he's in the lineup and playing at full speed, that something is different. His speed and tenacity disrupts the other team. They can't plan for it, either. We don't need him to score or to do something overtly measurable, and for that money, a weaker team would. However, for us, his disruptive presence creates anarchy on the ice that our more skilled players benefit from, and that disruption has an effect that spreads even when he isn't on the ice. Teams need to be aware of a player like him, in the back of their minds.
But put him on the Hurricanes or the Stars, and yeah, he isn't the same asset.
But put him on the Hurricanes or the Stars, and yeah, he isn't the same asset.
Jaded-Fan
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FO percent question.
Regular season, playoffs, it became a real issue this year and had a negative effect on our possession numbers.
Third from the bottom in % this year:
http://puckbase.com/stats/team-faceoffs
That said, several Pens had really subpar years compared to their usual years. They were not at the top of the league but a respectable enough to win 14th overall the year before:
http://puckbase.com/stats/team-faceoffs?year=2015
19th overall the year before that, so not world beating but really sucked last year and it hurt them quite a bit. It certainly killed their possession numbers.
Do we need to go looking for a guy who as well as playing 3C (assuming Bones goes) is a FO specialist? Or can we just strike it up to one of those things of several guys having subpar years and the law of averages trending up taking care of the issue internally?
Regular season, playoffs, it became a real issue this year and had a negative effect on our possession numbers.
Third from the bottom in % this year:
http://puckbase.com/stats/team-faceoffs
That said, several Pens had really subpar years compared to their usual years. They were not at the top of the league but a respectable enough to win 14th overall the year before:
http://puckbase.com/stats/team-faceoffs?year=2015
19th overall the year before that, so not world beating but really sucked last year and it hurt them quite a bit. It certainly killed their possession numbers.
Do we need to go looking for a guy who as well as playing 3C (assuming Bones goes) is a FO specialist? Or can we just strike it up to one of those things of several guys having subpar years and the law of averages trending up taking care of the issue internally?
tom_servo
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Eh, I guess Hainsey outperformed my recollection.
I wouldn't hesitate to move Maatta, but I do think he showed some spark that had been absent.
Galchenyuk is not a center. And the demands of this team aren't going to lessen that, rather, they will magnify it.
Mentioned this issue earlier, for sure we need a guy that's strong at FO. More so if Cullen as we expect doesn't come back.
Not saying its the primary talent that we look for but we need somebody that can take defensive draws late in the game and be a better than 50/50 shot at winning.
Maybe if Cullen does retire we can hire him back as a FO coach during training camp and get all our Centres to work with him on improving.
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The thing is, Michel Therrien really disliked Galchenyuk. And we all know, once he starts hating on a player, you can forget about it. But under Claude Julien, Galchenyuk is even less likely to play center. Julien's centers in Boston were always two-way guys (to the extreme!).
I think under Sullivan, Galchenyuk could thrive in any situation, at any position. Some Habs fans like him at RW because of his quick shot release. But he has mostly played LW and C. At center, he struggles on draws but who cares. If the kid is comfortable there and producing like he has/can, you take that face-off bullet and run. Besides, Malkin really used to struggle on draws, but his face-off wins were a factor in us winning the Cup this year.
Anyway, I have repeatedly said that I think Galchenyuk is a great option for 3C here. But now that the Habs have traded for Schlemko, I don't think they are looking for LD anymore. Now, they will focus on centers. We can't help them there, unless they want Bonino's UFA rights.
Now, Edmonton on the other hand could be a fit for a LD. They traded Eberle, cleared some cap space and have Strome (who can play either RW to replace Eberle or C to replace a potential RNH deal).
So I wonder if Edmonton has any interest in a Maatta-RNH swap.
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So, we subtract a $4million defenseman, and add a $6million 3C. Then we need to find another defenseman. I doubt it.
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