Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread VI | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[SEALBound]

Am I the only one that would be happy to have Daley back?

I'd go 2 years up to 7 million.

I'd do it...but not that high. $3mil, I'd consider. Any more than that, I'd rather toss that money at Smith, MDZ, or Kulikov.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

The problem with Galchenyuk is that no one knows what he is. Was never developed properly in Montreal, surprise surprise. Can he be a C, good chance yes but when is another story.

Galchenyuk is not a center. And the demands of this team aren't going to lessen that, rather, they will magnify it.

What do you mean, the demands of this team? None of our forwards are reined in. You don't lose production playing for Sullivan's penguins.

Under Mike Johnston, Galchenyuk could not play center here. Hell, Crosby was ordinary under Johnston.

Under Sullivan, Galchenyuk could thrive.

I agree with Clare, he has not fully developed yet. But that upside is definitely worth inquiring about.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

Am I the only one that would be happy to have Daley back?

I'd go 2 years up to 7 million.

I think if we do that we start running out of room given who we have to re-sign.

 

[Iron Tusk]

Am I the only one that would be happy to have Daley back?

I'd go 2 years up to 7 million.

I mean... the D UFA crop this year is horrendous. So yeah, I wouldn't mind Daley. The devil you know.

 

[exHornet]

What do you mean, the demands of this team? None of our forwards are reined in. You don't lose production playing for Sullivan's penguins.

Under Mike Johnston, Galchenyuk could not play center here. Hell, Crosby was ordinary under Johnston.

Under Sullivan, Galchenyuk could thrive.

I agree with Clare, he has not fully developed yet. But that upside is definitely worth inquiring about.

We still need him to kill penalties and block shots. Whoever our 4C is, is likely to be marginal. We were really really really lucky to have a guy like Cullen.

Maybe you know him better than I do, since my impressions of him come from Center Ice only.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Am I the only one that would be happy to have Daley back?

I'd go 2 years up to 7 million.

The ONLY issue with Daley, for me, is that we cannot count on him as a left defenseman. At all. A little more flexible player would be ideal.

I would keep shopping, then come back to Daley if he hasn't found a big-money deal.

Just out of interest, the face off % for some of the guys that have been mentioned as C options

Matt Duchene 62.6
Martin Hanzal 56.4
Dominic Moore 54.6
Brian Boyle 52.2
Joe Thornton 50.9

Duchene, for my money, is at his best at RW. He isn't a great playmaker, isn't a great passer, his vision isn't the greatest. The face-offs are great, but a bonus. I view him more as a winger who can win a ton of draws.

I don't want Hanzal. Too brittle for this team of fragile players. Plus he'll ask for big money.

I thought about Moore as a late-summer option, in case we strike out finding a great fit at 3C. We would need Rowney and/or Sundqvist to step into the No. 3 role, though.

Moore played with Sid for a season, I'd be curious if he had interest in coming back.

Thornton checks all the boxes, except he is a West Coaster and we don't know if he has any interest in moving.

So, we subtract a $4million defenseman, and add a $6million 3C. Then we need to find another defenseman. I doubt it.

We can move Hagelin, without much trouble.

 

[Peat]

So other than his potential ability to be a centre, what else does he bring. So far I see people focusing on his skill with the puck at his stick but what about his forechecking? Does he win board battles? Can he get in front of the goaltender and get dirty goals like a Guentzel can?

This team has no shortage of guys who'll punish a team if given time and space. We need guys that win the battles that create time and space, we need a 3C who at the very least takes his share of the defensive duties, if not outright majoring in them.

What does Galchenyuk offer other than scoring? If he backtracks well and uses his size to win board battles, I'm interested.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

We still need him to kill penalties and block shots. Whoever our 4C is, is likely to be marginal. We were really really really lucky to have a guy like Cullen.

Maybe you know him better than I do, since my impressions of him come from Center Ice only.

You can always find guys to kill penalties. That should not dissuade you from making a play for another quality player.

We still have Rowney/Sundqvist, Rust, Kuhnhackl and Hagelin to kill penalties. If we move one of those guys, we can replace that guy. Hornqvist can kill if need be, Crosby can obviously do it. If Wilson can't, get somebody to replace him in the lineup who can. It is not that big of a deal.

Sullivan can also head to camp and pick someone out...a Sheary, a Guentzel, whoever, and say, "I need you to become a PKer for us this year."

We have lost an incredible amount of excellent PKers over the past 8 years or so.

We can replace this next wave, too. It's about the PK system we play, and about sacrifice.

Oh, and we also happen to have one of the best goaltenders in the league, which helps the PK automatically.

 

[AjaxTelamon]

You can always find guys to kill penalties. That should not dissuade you from making a play for another quality player.

We still have Rowney/Sundqvist, Rust, Kuhnhackl and Hagelin to kill penalties. If we move one of those guys, we can replace that guy. Hornqvist can kill if need be, Crosby can obviously do it. If Wilson can't, get somebody to replace him in the lineup who can. It is not that big of a deal.

Sullivan can also head to camp and pick someone out...a Sheary, a Guentzel, whoever, and say, "I need you to become a PKer for us this year."

We have lost an incredible amount of excellent PKers over the past 8 years or so.

We can replace this next wave, too. It's about the PK system we play, and about sacrifice.

Oh, and we also happen to have one of the best goaltenders in the league, which helps the PK automatically.

We do need a go-to center for the PK.

 

[Peat]

Crosby is our biggest attacking threat, a guy who's minutes will need a lot of managing for him to do a 3peat, and you're okay with him doing penalty killing?

That makes zero sense to me.

 

[ncm7772]

I am not a hater like many here on Hainsey. If he was a #6, I wouldn't be mad. Obviously I'd like to go for other targets first, but if he was brought back uber cheap to be a #6, in no way shape or form would I complain.

He had his ups/downs but he was playing as a #1 dman. Dumo took most of the work, but Hainsey wasn't awful and could benefit from being a 12 minute a night guy. Not saying that's my initial want, but it's not an awful backup plan. You need 8 solid NHL dmen with how we get injured. Ruh, DP, Hainsey being a #6/7 ain't the worst.. We can get better at the deadline, too.

Agreed 100% about Hainsey. I'd absolutely take him as a bottom pairing D-Man for cheap.

Am I the only one that would be happy to have Daley back?

I'd go 2 years up to 7 million.

Wouldn't mind having him back at all. I wouldn't go $3.5M/year, though. Maybe $2.5M tops. But I think another team will pay much more.

 

[Shrimper]

I don't expect us to do much this year. One trade and a few signings will likely be it.

 

[Clare2904]

What do you mean, the demands of this team? None of our forwards are reined in. You don't lose production playing for Sullivan's penguins.

Under Mike Johnston, Galchenyuk could not play center here. Hell, Crosby was ordinary under Johnston.

Under Sullivan, Galchenyuk could thrive.

I agree with Clare, he has not fully developed yet. But that upside is definitely worth inquiring about.

To the previous post stating Michel's dislike for Chucky, that was there for the whole world to see.

I do feel for Chucky, he needs to go somewhere where he can make those rookie mistakes, have someone say "next time kiddo do this, pass there, shoot the ****ing puck" etc etc. Not be hauled off the line and told to go stand in the naughty corner.

Is that team us? Given how people want more of an established 3C, maybe not.

If we do sign him expect mistakes and a huge learning curve next year.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Strome for Eberle is an excellent deal for the Isles.

Agreed. I mean he's not going to elevate them by himself but it's an upgrade for sure.

Strome is an affordable upgrade over Letestu.

Edmonton needs cap flexibility for McDavid. It makes sense.

Yep. Made sense for both teams IMO. One was a player upgrade move one was a salary move.

Woah.

Figures. Flippin' Islanders trying to mess with our 3-peat. Again. If the two teams get there, the 93 Pens must be avenged. Pretty sure that is part of hockey's moral code of justice.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

So other than his potential ability to be a centre, what else does he bring. So far I see people focusing on his skill with the puck at his stick but what about his forechecking? Does he win board battles? Can he get in front of the goaltender and get dirty goals like a Guentzel can?

This team has no shortage of guys who'll punish a team if given time and space. We need guys that win the battles that create time and space, we need a 3C who at the very least takes his share of the defensive duties, if not outright majoring in them.

What does Galchenyuk offer other than scoring? If he backtracks well and uses his size to win board battles, I'm interested.

I will say this, he is a work in progress defensively. No doubt about it. He's even lazy at times, and does not move his feet. I find him standing still a lot when he is on the wing, which is pretty normal when you are a natural center. Jordan Staal used to do that as well.

But, he is the total package on offense. His shot is sick, he has vision to create for his wingers, good passer, size is better than we have had at center since Staal and Sutter left, and he has a real nose for the net.

The one thing about Montreal. Under this current regime, guys get labeled. Their value starts to dip. It happened with Subban. It is happening with Galchenyuk. The hockey environment in Mtl is polluted.

I am convinced this guy is going to just blossom as soon as he is dealt. He will probably be better than Drouin once he leaves Mtl as Drouin will be in Mtl.

I also think Galchenyuk is more dynamic than Radulov. I realize that is saying a ton, but I think his shot is better, his skating is better and the upside is still huge.

 

[Penske]

Am I the only one that would be happy to have Daley back?

I'd go 2 years up to 7 million.

We already have some D men with question marks. I don't want to add to that with Daley and his injuries to his legs which is his strongest asset. Not for that money.

 

[Clare2904]

Static wingers are a Montreal specialty

 

[Peat]

Cheers peeps. How good is his skating? I've heard people say it wasn't much but you seem to be saying different there.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

I saw Letestu a little bit in the playoffs. He is a legitimate part of their team. He plays on the top power play unit with the big guns and had 11 pts in 13 games this postseason. I think they will let him go after next year when his contract's up but I don't think Strome is replacing anything he does frankly.

 

[mpp9]

What do you mean, the demands of this team? None of our forwards are reined in. You don't lose production playing for Sullivan's penguins.

Under Mike Johnston, Galchenyuk could not play center here. Hell, Crosby was ordinary under Johnston.

Under Sullivan, Galchenyuk could thrive.

I agree with Clare, he has not fully developed yet. But that upside is definitely worth inquiring about.

He's not good defensively, not good at faceoffs and gives up a ton of shots despite having some of the most advantageous zone starts of anyone in the league.

If Malkin didn't get favorable zone starts because of his own faceoff deficiency, I'd be more willing to have a pure scoring line center as our #3, but it's going to require Sid to take way too many faceoffs.

 

[ncm7772]

I don't expect us to do much this year. One trade and a few signings will likely be it.

Agreed. And I think that's the right thing to do. If good deals present themselves, do what's necessary. But I don't like when GM's make trades just to make trades.

 

[EVGENIMERLIN]

I am all aboard the Galychenyuk train. I think he would work some magic here and have two of the best mentors in the game in Sid/Geno.

I said it last night, but if Griffin Reinhart can be had for relatively cheap I would love for JR to take a flyer on him. He definitely needs to work on his skating, but away from Edmonton and with Martin/Gonch I think he could turn into a really solid shut down bottom pairing guy who can move the puck.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Mckenzie saying that Hamonic should be moved fairly soon.

 

[Malkinstheman]

 

[ncm7772]

Oshie is still my most preferred signing. I know it's not gonna happen, but I can hope, right?!

Imagine Guentzel/Crosby/Oshie. Oh my Lord.