Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread VI | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[Dr Frasier Crane]

Would prefer to get one of the Wild d-men, but that may be asset-cost prohibitive.

Short of that, I think Demers would come fairly cheaply. If FLA is willing to retain 1-1.5M a year, that may work. That would give us a bottom-pairing righty at best and Schultz insurance at worst.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

Am I that far off?

Haha I think people are overestimating Bonino's next contract, but even if it's not as low as I'm thinking I'd say around $4 mil? Kunitz doesn't get a raise anywhere in the league at this point I don't think. I think we basically force him to decide between a cheaper contract or he has to uproot his life to play somewhere else. I think we'll end up keeping him for no more than $1.75 mil. He won't get a raise anywhere IMO. No chance. Daley might but I'm honestly not sure.

I think you're right on with Hainsey. $1.5 mil is the max I'd pay him.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Really?


There's less happening today than was rumoured or sounded like happening to me.

Schlemko, TvR, Eberle the only trades?

Are you seeing tweets/news reports that I'm missing? Because today's been way less busy than I thought it would be. Three deals (Eberle, Schlemko, TVR) have gone down, well below what I expected.

You guys probably didn't see my comments earlier. I was expecting zero trades today / the rest to happen tomorrow.

 

[exHornet]

I'm still not sure I see the value of a $6million 3C when we need to pay some of our young guys in a few years. I'd rather keep Bonino at $4.5 or whatever rather than pay that.

I'm talking about Duchene here, not the kid from Montreal.

 

[Darth Vitale]

I'm still not sure I see the value of a $6million 3C when we need to pay some of our young guys in a few years. I'd rather keep Bonino at $4.5 or whatever rather than pay that.

I'm talking about Duchene here, not the kid from Montreal.

Jordan Staal all over again

 

[Peat]

You could trade duchene when the cap crunch came. Or more likely lose him to free agency.

I do like the sound of Galchenyuk more now, but I still don't like him as a centre. I just don't think we've got room to let him grow here this season.

One option for a new dman might be one of the other Florida righties. I think they've got a shortage of right wings...

 

[exHornet]

Why does Montreal want to move the kid?

 

[billybudd]

I'm still not sure I see the value of a $6million 3C when we need to pay some of our young guys in a few years. I'd rather keep Bonino at $4.5 or whatever rather than pay that.

I'm talking about Duchene here, not the kid from Montreal.

Duchene's got what, 2 years left? Assuming Schultz and Dumoulin are re-signed for longer, we just have Hornqvist, Guentzel, Hagelin, Cole, Wilson and Rust.

Hornqvist and Hagelin's cap-numbers are as high as they're going to go (and that's if we even keep them), Guentzel has limited leverage, Wilson has even less, Rust (while valuable) is not irreplaceable.

Basically the only guy we have to worry about his number in the near-future is Ian Cole.

The value of trading for Duchene would be to strike while the iron is hot. I don't know if I give up all that stuff they're looking for, but there's logic to it.

 

[Rectify]

Methot is not going to happen. Demers I would be happy with.

If Kunitz and Hainsey both sign with the Pens I am giving both cups back.

 

[davemess]

The biggest issue with all the Duchene talk isn't what we would do with him..... its that we do not have the pieces available to go and get him.

Everything you read has the AVs only dealing if they can get a young top 4 Dman in return. Maata at the moment isn't that so I don't see how we can match what say the Isles could offer (Hamonic).

 

[mpp9]

Duchene's got what, 2 years left? Assuming Schultz and Dumoulin are re-signed for longer, we just have Hornqvist, Guentzel, Hagelin, Cole, Wilson and Rust. Hornqvist and Hagelin's cap-numbers are as high as they're going to go (and that's if we even keep them), Guentzel has limited leverage, Wilson has even less, Rust (while valuable) is not irreplaceable.

Basically the only guy we have to worry about his number in the near-future is Ian Cole.

The value of trading for Duchene would be to strike while the iron is hot. I don't know if I give up all that stuff they're looking for, but there's logic to it.

Yeah, pretty much. Duchene's term left on his deal lines up with when Guentzel and Sprong are off their ELCs. You can decide who to keep then.

Guys like Duchene don't become available all that often. Let alone ones that can play all three forward positions.

And a couple NY writers are continuing to say that the Avs and Isles aren't lining up enough as trade partners. And from what I recall, the Isles and Pens were the guys most interested at the deadline.

 

[mpp9]

The biggest issue with all the Duchene talk isn't what we would do with him..... its that we do not have the pieces available to go and get him.

Everything you read has the AVs only dealing if they can get a young top 4 Dman in return. Maata at the moment isn't that so I don't see how we can match what say the Isles could offer (Hamonic).

They want a young D prospect or NHL ready D-man who can grow in a top 4 role. Maatta isn't a stud right now, but he certainly has pedigree and will get better if he can stay healthy and work on his skating. I'd say that's as good of a bet as any blue chip prospect becoming a top 4 D.

From what I've read from Isles and Avs writers, Sakic might not be interested in the age of the Isles available D.

 

[Pick87your71Poison]

The biggest issue with all the Duchene talk isn't what we would do with him..... its that we do not have the pieces available to go and get him.

Everything you read has the AVs only dealing if they can get a young top 4 Dman in return. Maata at the moment isn't that so I don't see how we can match what say the Isles could offer (Hamonic).

Maatta is exactly that. Whether the Avs want him or not or someone else has a stronger package (good chance), it doesn't change that Maatta is a young top 4 D despite his skating causing him issues occasionally. Everyone remembers those mistakes because they are so obvious with the skating issue, but he's solid all-around outside of that and positionally.

Hamonic is 4 years older than Maatta. Let's not act like Maatta is older than he is just because he started out so early and already has 4 years under his belt.

 

[davemess]

If it was the Maata of 2 years ago I would totally agree.

I just think teams are going to look at his health/injury/form over the last 2 seasons and think there are surer bets being offered elsewhere.

 

[exHornet]

Everybody thinks that they can acquire a player with warts and put the bloom back on their rose. Don't discount that.

That said, I am not sold on trading Maatta for an expensive forward. We then have to pay more money that we don't have, for a decent replacement. We are already seeing that defensemen are hard to acquire. Not that I think Maatta is Larry Robinson, far from it, but somebody has play on our second pairing. And if we deal Olli then we need 2 defensemen.

As I recall we led the league in scoring last year, with two blah scoring centers playing 3C and 4C. I'm just not sold on another expensive forward, no matter how hot the iron is.

 

[Pick87your71Poison]

If it was the Maata of 2 years ago I would totally agree.

I just think teams are going to look at his health/injury/form over the last 2 seasons and think there are surer bets being offered elsewhere.

The guy still did just play regular minutes on back to back cup teams including over 20 minutes a game this last run. And it's not like he was playing with a superstar that was carrying him in guys like Daley and Schultz.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You guys probably didn't see my comments earlier. I was expecting zero trades today / the rest to happen tomorrow.

The trades themselves have also been underwhelming. TVR for a pick? Boring. Schlemko for a late pick? Even more boring. The only trade that's generated any sort of discussion/debate is the Eberle/Strome trade.

Hopefully that changes soon or this is going to be a boring couple of weeks until FA begins.

 

[mpp9]

If it was the Maata of 2 years ago I would totally agree.

I just think teams are going to look at his health/injury/form over the last 2 seasons and think there are surer bets being offered elsewhere.

I'm not a big fan of his, but he's good enough to play as a 4/5 on a back to back Cup winner without a lot of insulation on defense.

It'll surely depend on Sakic seeing upside in Maatta or not.

 

[Malkinstheman]

The trades themselves have also been underwhelming. TVR for a pick? Boring. Schlemko for a late pick? Even more boring. The only trade that's generated any sort of discussion/debate is the Eberle/Strome trade.

Hopefully that changes soon or this is going to be a boring couple of weeks until FA begins.

The media is creating all this hype but what else can even happen? Scandella/Hamonic get traded. Duchene will randomly get traded in July IMO. Then theres galcheyuk. Nothing too exciting IMHO.

 

[davemess]

The guy still did just play regular minutes on back to back cup teams including over 20 minutes a game this last run. And it's not like he was playing with a superstar that was carrying him in guys like Daley and Schultz.

True but its just my opinion that if I was the AVs GM trading Duchene that I would want somebody a bit more of a sure thing.

Maata was also 6th in Dman ice time per game during the regular season, his minutes only went up when the injury crunch hit during the playoffs.

 

[MtlPenFan]

Maatta + + +

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The media is creating all this hype but what else can even happen? Scandella/Hamonic get traded. Duchene will randomly get traded in July IMO. Then theres galcheyuk. Nothing too exciting IMHO.

Well that's just it. The media made it sound like the above, plus other flurry of moves, would take place once this morning's trade freeze was lifted.

Instead, all we got was Eberle/Strome and a couple of fringe defensemen for picks.

 

[Iron Tusk]

Maatta + + +

If we can get Athanasiou we should be all over it. He would fit our team ridiculously well.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Maatta + + +

Holland is dumb enough to trade AA- I'm quite sure of it

 

[MtlPenFan]

It's a pipe dream, as I think they'd want a surefire 1st pairing guy, but holy **** would that be fantastic.