Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[Hottubber]

Yep. Sheary was near ppg with no PP time. I wouldn't trade him at all.

Maatta+Sprong is the highest I'd go for duchene.

I know Sprong is unproven, but I would much rather include Sheary in a package.

 

[Shady Machine]

Yup. I think it's all a smokescreen. Pens seem to be very high on Sprong, which suggests to me that he is close to untouchable. Also, they reportedly balked at the price of Duchene at the deadline and based on what is being reported, that price has not gone down.

Then again, the Pens were high on Kapanen and then they traded him for Kessel

The price may not have come down, but Sakic seems like a lunatic and is going to end up trading Duchene for less than he wants. He's dragging out this process and losing leverage. You **** off the interested teams and the player, then what?

 

[Shady Machine]

I know Sprong is unproven, but I would much rather include Sheary in a package.

Yeah I'm leaning that way too. Guenztel looks like Sids long term winger and while Guentzel-Sheary combo can work, the Pens don't seem committed to it. Sprong provides high end finishing ability that seems tailor made for Geno and Kessel can slide down to third line.

I don't want to move any of them, but if I'm forced to choose, Sheary is probably the guy I'm moving first.

 

[molon labe]

Not necessarily. Bonino and Maatta would be gone. It's near cap neutral if you replace Maatta with MDZ for 3 mil or so and assume Bonino is gonna cost 4.5+.

If Cullen returns, you have two badass PK units full of speed and skill. Hags/Duchene and Cullen/Rust.

If Cullen returns, that would be something really nice to consider for sure. Either way, Duchene is an upgrade on Bonino when it comes to the Sully-speed element - whether he blocks the shots and steps up in the big moment remains to be seen. I think it would certainly be nice, and I look at his 2-year 'rental' phase as perfect. I'd prefer not to have the 3C guy locked in at 6M for 4-5 years. This lets us out of his deal if it doesn't work out.

Maatta & Sheary plus a mid round pick or prospect is the max pens should put into getting Duchene

Right.

 

[MrBurghundy]

There's no way I'd be ok with trading Sprong before I got a chance to see him play on our team first. Too much potential talent for too cheap of a price.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

$4.35 million AAV

**** knows what we will have to pay Justin

Or Dumo.

God damn Rangers.

Now, re: Duchene. Love the player. If we have to surrender Maatta to get him, I'm good with that. If we have to throw in Sheary to get him, I am OK with that (though I much prefer moving out Hagelin for cap reasons).

I REALLY hate trading away our first rounder in 2018. This is not moving back 20 spots, people. This would be losing a first in what is anticipated as a very deep, very good draft.

For two years of Duchene? Not a fan.

Yeah, that pick might end up scoring 53 points in 61 games alongside Sid for a reasonable price one day.

 

[Jacob]

Man.. 4 million for 4 years for Brendan Smith, who has never gone a single season without being a frequent healthy scratch.

Probably prices Stone out of our range too. Guess it's MDZ or Daley.

 

[PensandCaps]

Maatta at 4.25 is a freaking steal when crap dmen like Smith and Russell are getting 4 MIL+

Letang at 7.25 will also look awesome when Shattenkirk signs for 7 MIL. .

But seeing the outrageous prices for #5 dmen makes me worry about what Schultz will get, He's easily worth alot more than Russell and Smith. Heck Ian Cole is better than them and he's also due for a raise next season. He will get 4 MIL on the open market, Better extend him now under 4 MIL.

 

[Shady Machine]

Man.. 4 million for 4 years for Brendan Smith, who has never gone a single season without being a frequent healthy scratch.

Probably prices Stone out of our range too. Guess it's MDZ or Daley.

Yeah that seems like a nutty contract.

 

[Jacob]

Maybe. Where are we getting Maatta's replacement on top of the one D that we already need assuming Daley's exit? I like Duchene but I just don't see how we get him without skimping on D. Yeah yeah I know we just won the Cup, but it was a tough ass road. I'm not about to put a less than ideal D corps out there if we're serious about winning one or two more.

Buddy, you're not confident in a Pouliot - Ruhwedel 3rd pairing?

 

[MrBurghundy]

Man.. 4 million for 4 years for Brendan Smith, who has never gone a single season without being a frequent healthy scratch.

Probably prices Stone out of our range too. Guess it's MDZ or Daley.

All the more reason why it's important to keep our cheap young talent, and be looking to acquire even more on the back end.

 

[The Old Master]

I was using that as an example of his shooting ability. He doesn't always snipe and scores most of his goals off of his smarts, but I wouldn't say working on his shot is a major NEED for him. Every player can get better at certain aspects. It just seemed like you were saying his shot was subpar.

it might not be a "major" need but if he's going to take full advantage of playing with sid, it would be a great help and would add much length to his career health wise. [the less he has to be a net front guy] and more a threat to score any where on the ice.
edit; remember jag's look good his rookie yr. and even better after keho worked on his shot.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

For the record, I think people are selling really, really low on Sheary. I don't think we should be entertaining the thought of moving a 25 year old winger who fits our identity perfectly and was one of the best ES producers in the league last season.

It's not an either/or with he and Guentzel. We should be doing everything we can to keep both.

 

[molon labe]

If we end up losing Sheary after Fleury we might very well lose half of our female fanbase lol

 

[PensandCaps]

I know Sprong is unproven, but I would much rather include Sheary in a package.

Stick with what you know works. Sprong may never produce like that. Sheary just lead the NHL in 5v5 scoring. Why trade that? Esp at his cap hit. Thats AWESOME value assuming his cap is between 2.5-3.5 MIL.

 

[Rufus]

$4.35 million AAV

**** knows what we will have to pay Justin

Thankfully, Schultz is an RFA

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

Buddy, you're not confident in a Pouliot - Ruhwedel 3rd pairing?

I'm a glass half empty kinda guy sorry!

For the record, I think people are selling really, really low on Sheary. I don't think we should be entertaining the thought of moving a 25 year old winger who fits our identity perfectly and was one of the best ES producers in the league last season.

It's not an either/or with he and Guentzel. We should be doing everything we can to keep both.

Definitely. If he scores a few more points in the playoffs this conversation doesn't happen. If we were paying him strictly for the pace that he was one last year I'd worry, but we're not.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

Why trade young assets for Duchene? It's not like we need him. I'd rather keep young and cheap assets than trade em for 2 years of Duchene.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Sens re-upped with Condon for anyone who had thoughts of him as Murray's back-up: 2.4 mil AAV.

Brendan Smith's contract doesn't bother me much in terms of how we will have to sign Schultz or Dumo, they are RFA's and the dynamic is different. Where it does come into play however is the potential cost for a replacement for Daley/Maatta. You're not easily going to be able to replace Maatta's minutes for the same price that you pay him now. Again, that's not prohibitive per se, just needs to be kept in consideration.

 

[JakeNBake59]

condon off the table but that ship sailed a long time ago

 

[Riptide]

4x4m is my guess. That or something close to that.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

4x4m is my guess. That or something close to that.

It's already official. 4.35 x 4

 

[Riptide]

Yeah that seems like a nutty contract.

Did you watch him in New York? He was very very good for them - and him at 4.35m is not an issue. He skates, moves the puck and can defend well enough to play 20 minutes a night. 4.35m is not an issue.

 

[PensandCaps]

Why trade young assets for Duchene? It's not like we need him. I'd rather keep young and cheap assets than trade em for 2 years of Duchene.

You always need to get better. If Duchene came here and produced to his 70 point highmark, i'd move kesseel and keep the guy who plays a more important position and overall game.

 

[Hottubber]

Wonder if JR kicks the tires on Shattenkirk now that Rangers may not be interested

He only plays the right side? Which I guess wouldnt make sense with Schultz here, unless his contract gets stupid and they deal his rights