Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[Speaking Moistly]

I'd be uncomfortable giving up Maatta, Sheary/Sprong + for Duchene

Yeah, I'm opposed to trading a defenseman for a forward and I think people are undervaluing what Sheary just did. He had a really bad playoffs but was almost ppg at ES in the RS. Sprong just screams player you'll regret trading.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

So which signing will induce the first "What is JR doing???" post of free agency?

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

This Duchene trade needs to die a quiet death.

 

[davemess]

Do we have any real idea what kind of contract Sheary is looking at?

Are we talking about a 2 year bridge type deal that keeps the $$$ down or something more long term at a bigger $$$ now but cheaper long term ?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

So which signing will induce the first "What is JR doing???" post of free agency?

Kunitz

 

[Clare2904]

There is a fair chunk of change for Condon $7.2 million over 3 years.

 

[Jacob]

Did you watch him in New York? He was very very good for them - and him at 4.35m is not an issue. He skates, moves the puck and can defend well enough to play 20 minutes a night. 4.35m is not an issue.

My issue is that his time in New York was a pretty tiny sample size compared to the rest of his NHL career, where he's been somewhere between a #6 and #7.

 

[Shady Machine]

Kunitz

Yes exactly. If he re-signs Kunitz after the Reaves acquisition, I will be very confused. In my mind, there was only 1 spot for a veteran winger and that's filled.

 

[molon labe]

Why trade young assets for Duchene? It's not like we need him. I'd rather keep young and cheap assets than trade em for 2 years of Duchene.

We need a quality 3C this off season no matter what. Duchene is also only 26 which is why he's considered one of the Avs quality young assets... Young scoring wingers the Pens have more than a couple of - Centerman not so much.

I'm not really sold on dealing Sheary as he's been great - but if we can't figure out another way to patch the loss of Bonino (which really started about 7 months ago) we might be in a bit of a bind. If Cullen comes back then losing Bonino doesn't hurt as much, but if we lose both Bonino and Cullen in the same off season, we're going to need someone who can win some quality faceoffs and PK - and Sheary does neither of those things. If Sprong gets it done then maybe that's where the debate is... Guentzel at this point is locked as a Penguin (hopefully).

We're losing guys that's why we're talking dealing some people we wouldn't normally deal. Hagelin and Sheary get brought up because they're luxuries at the moment - and you can't afford luxuries if you don't first have your bases covered. Maybe we find a way to just get him with a Maatta + picks situation, but that's doubtful as it probably would have happened already.

 

[mpp9]

How could we replace Maatta? He doesn't have the even strength role that Dumoulin and Letang have. He doesn't have the PP role that Schultz has. And he's no better on the PK than Cole.

He plays 18-20 minutes for us. Maybe a minute more than Cole at ES. Call me crazy but I would think if we can land an impact forward like Duchene, the process of replacing that ice time is a hell of a lot easier. Either way, JR wouldn't pull the trigger unless he'd have a replacement in mind and/or have it locked down. He probably wouldn't even explore trade talks unless he already had a plan in mind.

 

[molon labe]

My issue is that his time in New York was a pretty tiny sample size compared to the rest of his NHL career, where he's been somewhere between a #6 and #7.

NY is also a tax nightmare and ridiculously pricey to live in. I can't imagine anyone ever taking more than a +15-20% cost when given the choice.

 

[mpp9]

My issue is that his time in New York was a pretty tiny sample size compared to the rest of his NHL career, where he's been somewhere between a #6 and #7.

This is just the Rangers being the Rangers with cap space to spend. They'll give Shattenkirk 7+ too.

 

[Lustaf]

Man, lots of rumblings about the Duchene sweepstakes being down to the Pens and Isles.

I hope we don't lose Sprong, even if Duchene's a fantastic fit.

Where are you seeing that? All I saw was Friedman mentioning that Rutherford tried to get him at the deadline and might circle back.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Yes exactly. If he re-signs Kunitz after the Reaves acquisition, I will be very confused. In my mind, there was only 1 spot for a veteran winger and that's filled.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

condon off the table but that ship sailed a long time ago

****. He did cost more than I expected though. But I find getting a quality back-up goaltender quite crucial.

As for Duchene I don't think i want him.

 

[mpp9]

Go home, Chris. Chicago wants you.

 

[Shady Machine]

Tell me that was last year please.

 

[MrBurghundy]

Maybe they are going to offer Kunitz a spot in a player development role?

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Maatta at 4.25 is a freaking steal when crap dmen like Smith and Russell are getting 4 MIL+

Letang at 7.25 will also look awesome when Shattenkirk signs for 7 MIL. .

But seeing the outrageous prices for #5 dmen makes me worry about what Schultz will get, He's easily worth alot more than Russell and Smith. Heck Ian Cole is better than them and he's also due for a raise next season. He will get 4 MIL on the open market, Better extend him now under 4 MIL.

I think a lot of it has depended on what Schultz wants since he started putting up points. If it's purely about money then the Pens are in trouble because he'll either need to be traded or they'll have to pay him. If he wants to be a "team player" and get some security in Pittsburgh then it'll be okay.

That Smith contract should make people stop and think about how easy it would be to replace Maatta. Top 4 D don't grow in trees and there isn't a surplus of them. ****ing fragile Letang and god damn Pouliot.

 

[Andy99]

We need a quality 3C this off season no matter what. Duchene is also only 26 which is why he's considered one of the Avs quality young assets... Young scoring wingers the Pens have more than a couple of - Centerman not so much.

I'm not really sold on dealing Sheary as he's been great - but if we can't figure out another way to patch the loss of Bonino (which really started about 7 months ago) we might be in a bit of a bind. If Cullen comes back then losing Bonino doesn't hurt as much, but if we lose both Bonino and Cullen in the same off season, we're going to need someone who can win some quality faceoffs and PK - and Sheary does neither of those things. If Sprong gets it done then maybe that's where the debate is... Guentzel at this point is locked as a Penguin (hopefully).

We're losing guys that's why we're talking dealing some people we wouldn't normally deal. Hagelin and Sheary get brought up because they're luxuries at the moment - and you can't afford luxuries if you don't first have your bases covered. Maybe we find a way to just get him with a Maatta + picks situation, but that's doubtful as it probably would have happened already.

I like Sheary but he has limitations. But more importantly, he's due for a raise and we may only have him for two years anyway because he might price himself out after the bridge deal and by then we'd have to pay Jake. So the question is whether you want two years of Sheary or two years of Duchene, who's better and plays a more important position. Sign me up for the latter. Of course, that assumes Sheary is trade bait and we can fill Maatta's space adequately. But I think we can more easily get a LD than a 3C that helps us

 

[PensandCaps]

I just hope and pray we don't make another "toughness" move. And please don't sign Alzner or Girardi.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If you guys need a good cry check out the groundswell of support for a Kunitz re-sign in the Twitter comments.

 

[molon labe]

Nobody should act surprised to see Kunitz back here...cmon now.

Also - I thought nobody was going to bad mouth him ever again after the Ottawa goal? Kunitz WAS there after all.

Someone has to put an end to Sids scoring streak next season. And in reality, he'll be very serviceable in the 3rd or 4th line- though he'll never serve there lol

 

[Deport Ogie]

Any chance of a Kunitz re-sign should have staggered drunkenly out the door the moment the Reaves trade finalized.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

If you guys need a good cry check out the groundswell of support for a Kunitz re-sign in the Twitter comments.

All I see is a bunch of people wanting him to resign.