Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[JimmyTwoTimes]

We've seen this before...the talk of a high profile player coming to Pitt, scare other teams of the possibility and have them overpay.

 

[Clare2904]

Layout change? on HF? what changed?

When you are on the Pens thread page there used to be a list of new threads across on boards on the right hand side, it has now gone.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

If you want to spend big on a 2 year 3C rental, he does seem cheaper and better fitted to the role.

He's signed for 4 years.

 

[madinsomniac]

Remember, a guy who played big minutes on a back to back cup champ is getting seriously overrated by every GM in the NHL... hf boards won't get that... but most of our rister players will be able to bring back more cause of "cup experience"... something The oil or several other teams may want

 

[mpp9]

If Duchene is coming here then Hagelin will most certainly get traded.

Not necessarily. Bonino and Maatta would be gone. It's near cap neutral if you replace Maatta with MDZ for 3 mil or so and assume Bonino is gonna cost 4.5+.

If Cullen returns, you have two badass PK units full of speed and skill. Hags/Duchene and Cullen/Rust.

 

[madinsomniac]

I think if you feel that one of the ahl guys might be able to cover for sheary, selling high on him might not be the worse idea... even if he keeps up his production his value is probably peaked unless he were to find another gear...

 

[The Old Master]

I said he sniped in game 1 of the finals. Do you disagree with the use of that word for that goal?

yes he did, are we talking about 1 goal, or goals in general?

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

I think if you feel that one of the ahl guys might be able to cover for sheary, selling high on him might not be the worse idea... even if he keeps up his production his value is probably peaked unless he were to find another gear...

I highly doubt it. Even if he's just a regular season wonder, that's still worth something and he did actually come up large once in the playoffs at least. I think he's a big concern when the games get tough, but I don't see the Archibalds of the world filling his shoes. A lot of people are probably penciling in Sprong as a 25+ goal scorer, but I would like to see it first myself.

Trading Sheary in general isn't the worst idea to kick around though.

 

[Riptide]

Beat you to it a couple pages ago. One user said Toronto doesn't have much use for him..... Maybe re-acquire!

Brought it up last thread.

That said... his 2m cap hit...

 

[Beauner]

I think if you feel that one of the ahl guys might be able to cover for sheary, selling high on him might not be the worse idea... even if he keeps up his production his value is probably peaked unless he were to find another gear...

You could think of it as Guentzel "replacing" him. They just have to be sure Sprong will make an impact also to offset that loss.

 

[Saints11]

I agree. I'd consider including Jarry or Gustavson if that helps. If I'm JR, I refuse to move a cost controlled potential star winger for a 6 million dollar third center for two years. However, I do appreciate that Duchene would be a dramatic upgrade on Bonino, his speed fits the identity, the faceoff ability is something that is definitely needed. I'd be very interested. But Sprong or Guentzel are off the table entirely. If they can't live with a top four d, a 50 point winger, and a first, then oh well. If they want more, they're trying to milk us for all we're worth, and frankly we shouldn't put up with that crap from Sakic.

If I'm adding Jarry, then we expand the deal to say Sheary, Maatta, Jarry and a 1st for Duchene and Barrie.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

According to story in TIOPS, the Pens view Gagner more as a wing who can play center than a center who plays on the wing,

I think most NHL teams do.

So he plays C?

Colborne plays all three positions. Once a week for each, he is among the most inconsistent players in the league today. A massive waste of a lot of talent.

Wasn't Fehr signed for this year? Maybe should have held onto him. He played better at centre than wing and he's a much better option as a 4th line centre than Rowney.

I don't agree with this. Moving Fehr's contract allowed us to get the depth defensemen we needed to win another Cup.

Rowney's play leading up to the deadline is what enabled us to move Fehr out.

They are one and the same, basically. Fehr can snipe better, but Rowney skates better and is more physical. It's a wash.

We can, and should do better than Fehr as 4C imo.


Now, re: Duchene. Love the player. If we have to surrender Maatta to get him, I'm good with that. If we have to throw in Sheary to get him, I am OK with that (though I much prefer moving out Hagelin for cap reasons).

I REALLY hate trading away our first rounder in 2018. This is not moving back 20 spots, people. This would be losing a first in what is anticipated as a very deep, very good draft.

For two years of Duchene? Not a fan.

 

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[davemess]

Didn't we pay the Leafs to take Fehrs contract away? Now we want to pay them to get it back?

 

[Hottubber]

Maatta & Sheary plus a mid round pick or prospect is the max pens should put into getting Duchene

 

[Shady Machine]

yes he did, are we talking about 1 goal, or goals in general?

I was using that as an example of his shooting ability. He doesn't always snipe and scores most of his goals off of his smarts, but I wouldn't say working on his shot is a major NEED for him. Every player can get better at certain aspects. It just seemed like you were saying his shot was subpar.

 

[Clare2904]

$4.35 million AAV

**** knows what we will have to pay Justin

 

[Shrimper]

I'd be uncomfortable giving up Maatta, Sheary/Sprong + for Duchene

 

[kbuck8851]

If the deal expands with Colorado, Im asking for Zadorov not Barrie, especially since its rumored Colorado and Zadorov aren't close on a contract.

 

[PensandCaps]

I'd be uncomfortable giving up Maatta, Sheary/Sprong + for Duchene

Yep. Sheary was near ppg with no PP time. I wouldn't trade him at all.

Maatta+Sprong is the highest I'd go for duchene.

 

[CertifiedLurker]

I think most NHL teams do.




Colborne plays all three positions. Once a week for each, he is among the most inconsistent players in the league today. A massive waste of a lot of talent.




I don't agree with this. Moving Fehr's contract allowed us to get the depth defensemen we needed to win another Cup.

Rowney's play leading up to the deadline is what enabled us to move Fehr out.

They are one and the same, basically. Fehr can snipe better, but Rowney skates better and is more physical. It's a wash.

We can, and should do better than Fehr as 4C imo.


Now, re: Duchene. Love the player. If we have to surrender Maatta to get him, I'm good with that. If we have to throw in Sheary to get him, I am OK with that (though I much prefer moving out Hagelin for cap reasons).

I REALLY hate trading away our first rounder in 2018. This is not moving back 20 spots, people. This would be losing a first in what is anticipated as a very deep, very good draft.

For two years of Duchene? Not a fan.

But for two more cups?

 

[SEALBound]

If the deal expands with Colorado, Im asking for Zadorov not Barrie, especially since its rumored Colorado and Zadorov aren't close on a contract.

He was the main piece coming back for ROR. He will absolutely not come cheap. I doubt we have the movable pieces to get him. He's exactly what we need though to be honest - top pairing PMD that can lay a big time hit.

 

[Rufus]

We've seen this before...the talk of a high profile player coming to Pitt, scare other teams of the possibility and have them overpay.

Yup. I think it's all a smokescreen. Pens seem to be very high on Sprong, which suggests to me that he is close to untouchable. Also, they reportedly balked at the price of Duchene at the deadline and based on what is being reported, that price has not gone down.

Then again, the Pens were high on Kapanen and then they traded him for Kessel

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

But for two more cups?

Maybe. Where are we getting Maatta's replacement on top of the one D that we already need assuming Daley's exit? I like Duchene but I just don't see how we get him without skimping on D. Yeah yeah I know we just won the Cup, but it was a tough ass road. I'm not about to put a less than ideal D corps out there if we're serious about winning one or two more.

 

[gdsmack267]

$4.35 million AAV

**** knows what we will have to pay Justin

The only advantage we will have is that Schultz is RFA still and smith was UFA