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Sol said:
On a side note, remember how much taboo it was to say Carter was better than Richards. Remember watching people get so salty over that. Father time tells no lies
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In terms of talent, or that extra something? Richards was never the biggest, fastest, or most talented player, but he had those famous intangibles. Pure talent though? That's Carter all day, and on that issue I would be surprised if anyone really argued against it.
 
Sol said:
On a side note, remember how much taboo it was to say Carter was better than Richards. Remember watching people get so salty over that. Father time tells no lies
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Well overall game, Richards was Kopitar-lite. He was one of the top 3 two way forwards in the game. Carter definitely is the more skilled player and more gifted athlete but Richards game was more of an overall game. Carter wasn't the 2-way player he is now until he got here.
 
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The forward depth to start the season versus now has considerably improved. Granted, they haven't added any big offensive threats like they did when they acquired Carter in 2012 or Gaborik in 2014, but gaining Carter back and the emergence of younger players is helping the Kings in receiving more balanced scoring. It also helps when a guy like Lewis is enjoying a career year.

To get a sense of the depth up front, here's a list of forwards and the positions they can play.

Kopitar, Center
Carter, Center/Right Wing
Kempe, Center/Left Wing
Mitchell, Center/Right Wing
Amadio, Center

Brown, Right Wing
Toffoli, Right Wing
Rieder, Right Wing, Center
Lewis, Right Wing, Center
Brodzinski, Right Wing

Pearson, Left Wing
Iafallo, Left Wing
Clifford, Left Wing
Thompson, Left Wing/Center
Andreoff, Left Wing
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
The forward depth to start the season versus now has considerably improved. Granted, they haven't added any big offensive threats like they did when they acquired Carter in 2012 or Gaborik in 2014, but gaining Carter back and the emergence of younger players is helping the Kings in receiving more balanced scoring. It also helps when a guy like Lewis is enjoying a career year.

To get a sense of the depth up front, here's a list of forwards and the positions they can play.

Kopitar, Center
Carter, Center/Right Wing
Kempe, Center/Left Wing
Mitchell, Center/Right Wing
Amadio, Center

Brown, Right Wing
Toffoli, Right Wing
Rieder, Right Wing, Center
Lewis, Right Wing, Center
Brodzinski, Right Wing

Pearson, Left Wing
Iafallo, Left Wing
Clifford, Left Wing
Thompson, Left Wing/Center
Andreoff, Left Wing
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Agreed, and I'd say their depth adds, while they may not be big offensive splashes, are complementary/enabling players, puckhounds that can skate and harass and dig the puck for our scorers. It's not like we had a shortage of raw ability on the roster, with 30-goal scorers all around, but guys like Iafallo--no big numbers himself--are crucial to Kopitar's season.
 
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The one position I would say could really use an upgrade is LW, since Iafallo is in his first year and not a big point producer, but perhaps with Carter's return, Kempe could slide in that spot, and hopefully succeed in doing so.

I'd be curious to see how much he can produce with either Carter or Kopitar centering him.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Agreed, and I'd say their depth adds, while they may not be big offensive splashes, are complementary/enabling players, puckhounds that can skate and harass and dig the puck for our scorers. It's not like we had a shortage of raw ability on the roster, with 30-goal scorers all around, but guys like Iafallo--no big numbers himself--are crucial to Kopitar's season.
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And they actually have guys who can put the puck in the net now in the bottom 6. Kempe or Pearson will be on the 3rd line. Rieder will probably be on the 3rd line. Lewis will be on the 3rd line. That's 3 guys who can score 15ish goals. That's really good for a 3rd line.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
In terms of talent, or that extra something? Richards was never the biggest, fastest, or most talented player, but he had those famous intangibles. Pure talent though? That's Carter all day, and on that issue I would be surprised if anyone really argued against it.
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At what point does talent supercede intangibles though
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Probably 2012.

No one in the hockey world would touch Carter over Richards before that, you can't quantify prime Mike Richards.
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Which is true, but Carter never got a fair shake in that department even though he was pretty clutch for us. I never understood the ratiomale of choosing Richards over Carter while they were both on the Kings
 
Sol said:
Which is true, but Carter never got a fair shake in that department even though he was pretty clutch for us. I never understood the ratiomale of choosing Richards over Carter while they were both on the Kings
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I don't know what you mean. We've loved Carter in a way only the most diehard of Philly fans did.

Don't forget Richards was arguably our best skater in the 2013 playoffs until Bolland killed him.

Carter was clutch and was 'the sniper' for sure but it wasn't till he took over at center that he really put Richards behind him.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I don't know what you mean. We've loved Carter in a way only the most diehard of Philly fans did.

Don't forget Richards was arguably our best skater in the 2013 playoffs until Bolland killed him.

Carter was clutch and was 'the sniper' for sure but it wasn't till he took over at center that he really put Richards behind him.
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There was much debate in regards to who the player was, and the only argument people kept peddling forward was Richards' accomplishments through his career.

I don't remember 2013 all to well to be quite honest , but I don't think Richards was our best skater at all. (checked stats, maybe i was wrong )


But what we can agree with is that Bolland got away with a disgusting head shot. I was so f***ing infuriated they didn't Call anything at all. He jumped him
 
Sol said:
There was much debate in regards to who the player was, and the only argument people kept peddling forward was Richards' accomplishments through his career.

I don't remember 2013 all to well to be quite honest , but I don't think Richards was our best skater at all. (checked stats, maybe i was wrong )


But what we can agree with is that Bolland got away with a disgusting head shot. I was so ****ing infuriated they didn't Call anything at all. He jumped him
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To be fair that's probably because so much of Richards' game was just team accomplishments from being awesome, he wasn't a mega-high scorer, and he got some Selke love, but that's about it as far as stats. It was all guts. Like blowing up Burrows up ice when the Canucks had an empty net, and that just broke them that game.

In 2013, between injuries and disappearing acts, Quick was the best player up until Chicago, dude carried a .951 until thta series, ended with a .934. But as far as outside the net, Richards looked like he was back to normal after the 2012 concussion...then Bolland ended him and the rest is history :(
 
Sol said:
At what point does talent supercede intangibles though
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Good question. Depends on the player probably. Depends on the level of talent and intangibles being compared too. Some guys have so much of that it factor, other guys have a ridiculous amount of talent. Somewhere in that Venn diagram is the answer.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
To be fair that's probably because so much of Richards' game was just team accomplishments from being awesome, he wasn't a mega-high scorer, and he got some Selke love, but that's about it as far as stats. It was all guts. Like blowing up Burrows up ice when the Canucks had an empty net, and that just broke them that game.

In 2013, between injuries and disappearing acts, Quick was the best player up until Chicago, dude carried a .951 until thta series, ended with a .934. But as far as outside the net, Richards looked like he was back to normal after the 2012 concussion...then Bolland ended him and the rest is history :(
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I still have no idea how there wasn't even a call on that clear as day head shot. Quick was amazing I remember that
 
We need a legit 3rd line center who can win face offs.

Kopitar and Carter are solid at faceoffs. Mitchell and Thompson are too but they are 4th liners. Amadio and Kempe are terrible at faceoff a right now. Kempe should be on the wing.
 
9-3-0 at home against the East.
9-6-1 on the road against the East.
10-7-1 on the road against the West.
5-7-3 at home against the West.

Even with Carter, they lost to Calgary at home in OT.

They're 24-16-2 without Carter when not at home against the West. If they had that same points% at home against the West, they would have 17 points instead of 12, or 76 instead of 71. If's and but's.
 
Fat Elvis said:
LA should move Prokhorkin, maybe add him to a Clifford as sweetener in a deal.
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Unless he's changed his mind about signing with a NHL team, no one is going to want him. And I doubt he will. Won't the Kings lose his rights and he'll become a free agent sometime soon?
 
Carter was always underrated. Richards was always overrated.

Even when Carter was scoring 40 goals, he wasn't held in high regards relative to what he was doing.

The type of player Mike Richards was is the exact type that people in hockey love. This archetype is loved so much that we can't help but become infatuated with players that fit it and we tend to overate them. We can't help ourselves.
 
Mike Richards was my favorite non King before we traded for him. Honestly he'd probably had last longer if Sutter gave him PP time; for whatever reason he thought Stoll was a better option.
 
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