“Lost” is a bit of an overstatement IMO. Credit to Blake, he’s made a lot of low risk moves hoping that something will stick. Given the hand he was dealt, seems like The the wisest choice for this year.
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deaderhead28
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Let's just call it what it is,dumpster diving afraid to make a real hockey trade.The team sucks due to Blakes decision on coaching and player personnel.Lets Stop this poor Blake and he could only do so much with the hand he was dealt,.He could've flip this roster and found a different coach.If this team misses the playoffs it's on Blake.He had a offseason and a season to fix the issues.We'll see if he actually makes a trade that helps this team between now and the deadline or adds more worthless players.I call like I see it.If Blake wins a cup with this team this year i'll eat crow.But I'm sure I'm safe on that front with the current roster.GO KINGS GO
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KingPuckChoo
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two things that sucks about the trade: 1) we can't buyout Phaneuf (so we're stuck with him; or eat up to 50% of his contract in a future trade) and 2) we know he won't wave his NMC for the expansion draft, hence we'll most likely lose a Forbort / LaDue to Seattle
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i disagree with the hockey trade comment, trading a Toffoli / Pearson / Muzzin / Martinez creates holes (we simply lack depth and that's a fact), and he had to test these players under the new system before making such an important deal, wouldn't he? I wouldn't want a trigger happy GM in his first year. We have to give him time to assess the whole damn thing.
However, the coaching staff is terrible. Stevens, i think was a big mistake.
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Well, I think you're definitely safe regarding any feathers being stuck between your teeth.
I am not a Blake supporter. I did not want to see him get the GM job, and I don't think much of Luc in the hockey genius department. I don't think there is much else they can do with this team to make it better in the short run. They don't have the assets to make an impact trade, unless you're willing to see Clague or Vilardi go the other way.
I do think the two of them sliced a lot of baloney to get their current positions, and they will have to continue to do so because they said this team was still a contender and just needed to change their style of play. This team isn't going to contend. I think most of us here understand that now.
Essentially Blake and Robitaille are hoping a couple of kids come in here in the next couple of seasons and set the NHL on fire. The clock is ticking. Kopitar, Quick, Carter, Brown, Lewis, Martinez, etc. are aging and depreciating assets. This management team is going to sell the mirage for as long as possible, counting on glory long since faded to get fans to the games. I think it will likely be at least two more seasons before we see an attempt at a serious rebuild.
That could all change if Doughty goes though. I don't think Luc knows Doughty's mind. We'll see where his head is at come July 1.
I don’t know what more Blake can do aside from tear it all down and rebuild.
They have inserted rookies.
Are in the playoff push with five other teams.
All without Carter.
Quick is struggling.
They won’t mortgage the future.
They will offer DD a max contract.
Can’t have best of both worlds.
They have inserted rookies.
Are in the playoff push with five other teams.
All without Carter.
Quick is struggling.
They won’t mortgage the future.
They will offer DD a max contract.
Can’t have best of both worlds.
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They weren't going to buy Gaborik out either, and any expansion draft is probably 2 years away. There could be a CBA opt out after next season. If Doughty leaves after next season, that probably changes everything. The roster could look different by the time they have to protect people.
Ottawa was coming off a conference final, and Vegas was obviously going to be a bottom 10 team. Understandable that Phaneuf wouldn't want to take the chance at the time. He, the Kings, and Seattle could be in different places next time. Nobody knows what will happen 800+ days from now with 100% certainty.
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If the Kings bought out Phaneuf in June 2020 (if we're assuming the Seattle expansion draft is happening that year), they'd be hit with a $3.75 mm buyout cap hit in 2020-21 and a $750 k buyout cap hit in 2021-22. Not exactly a terrible option in order to avoid having to protect him in the expansion draft.
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^ Good to know. That's a not bad at all in terms of a potential Phaneuf buyout a few years down the road.
KingTrouty
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Wouldn’t we just buy out the remaining year on his contract when the expansion draft happens? Certainly if we stand a chance to lose a good player?
That NMC does suck, but I can’t imagine losing a player over buying out his last year.
I could be on my own island with this line of thinking, I think Blake has done a decent job so far in his first season as GM. I don't think that there was a single person that actually believed that LA was a cup contending team at the start of the season. At least not 1 honest person.
Blake and Co looks to have had a good 1st draft (time will tell)
Blake seems to have stocked the goalie prospect cupboard nicely.
Sure Blake's attempts at filling the secondary scoring has been futile (Cammy, Jokenin etc)
LA really has very few trading chips if you take out Kempe, Vilardi, Clague, 2018 1st. I think JAD will be a better player than Clague, but that's a whole different topic..
Without trading those 4 pieces, LA doesn't really have anything that would bring in a Cup contending change to the roster. Some have been whining to add this and that while offering Forbort, Gravel, JAD, 2018 2nd, and a contract to help balance the $$. I would like to possibly add a Tatar without including JAD...
Please folks, we knew coming into the season that at Best they'd battle for a playoff spot. They are and yet some whine and complain that Blake has done a crappy job. I think he's done as well as can be expected. I think that when Carter returns, this team can make things pretty interesting. Curious to see how it plays out while on my island with a cold beverage in hand and bikini clad lady friends
Blake and Co looks to have had a good 1st draft (time will tell)
Blake seems to have stocked the goalie prospect cupboard nicely.
Sure Blake's attempts at filling the secondary scoring has been futile (Cammy, Jokenin etc)
LA really has very few trading chips if you take out Kempe, Vilardi, Clague, 2018 1st. I think JAD will be a better player than Clague, but that's a whole different topic..
Without trading those 4 pieces, LA doesn't really have anything that would bring in a Cup contending change to the roster. Some have been whining to add this and that while offering Forbort, Gravel, JAD, 2018 2nd, and a contract to help balance the $$. I would like to possibly add a Tatar without including JAD...
Please folks, we knew coming into the season that at Best they'd battle for a playoff spot. They are and yet some whine and complain that Blake has done a crappy job. I think he's done as well as can be expected. I think that when Carter returns, this team can make things pretty interesting. Curious to see how it plays out while on my island with a cold beverage in hand and bikini clad lady friends
Raccoon Jesus
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Not many teams even have a 2nd 60-point two-way center, not many can afford to lose one. Carter is a hell of a deadline addition and a key to this whole thing. He changes the entire roster with just his presence alone.
KingPuckChoo
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well i just based it on capfriendly, whenever the year we buyout Phaneuf, there's at least one season with a minimum of $5m cap hit
maybe it's wrong, do you have different info?
KingPuckChoo
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yea but the choice remains:
1) Keep Forbort and buyout Phaneuf w/ $5m dead weight
or is Forbort worth $5m dead cap?
2) Potentially lose Forbort, but have an able bodied Phaneuf
those are your two options, again unless capfriendly is totally wrong here
KingPuckChoo
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seriously you and i can't possibly know this
i assumed they would have kept Gaborik one more year (this season) to see how he pans out and if he didn't, they'd possibly look into buying him out
his buyout as of this summer is very manageable and frees up roughly $1.5m to $3.3m in cap (over the next 3 years and gets better the following 3 years). With that money we can easily get a better player than Gaborik
$3.3m in freed up cap is serious money, and if you are 200% certain that Blake wouldn't want to free all that cap, then he's already a terrible GM (because it's braindead logic to buy him out)
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Kings would not be subject to the $5 mm buyout cap hit because Ottawa retained 25% in the trade. Instead, a June 2020 buyout would result in cap hits of $3.75 mm and $750 k.
KingPuckChoo
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Dion Phaneuf Buyout - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
that's not what capfriendly is suggesting
if we buyout Phaneuf in 2020
the cap is:
2020/21 $5,000,000.00 cap hit
2021/22 $1,000,000.00 cap hit
please show me where you get your info
tsanuri
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Years 1 and 4-6 are the only nice years on his buyout. Years 2-3 are at or over 3m in dead cap hit
KingPuckChoo
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ah ok lol
i read it now
This contract was involved in a salary retained transaction. The remaining salary and caphit will be separated as shown:
- : 75%
- Ottawa Senators: 25%
buy him out then lol
Chazz Reinhold
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The exact page you linked: “This contract was involved in a salary retained transaction. The remaining salary and caphit will be separated as shown:
- Los Angeles Kings: 75%
- Ottawa Senators: 25%”
NHL CBA FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
KingPuckChoo
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Sorry, didn’t see that you had come across the retention info before posting that.
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