World Cup: 2016 World Cup-Team Finland II

[Trilliann]

The defense were gentle darlings... it is a joke that Scheiffele almost scored by pushing from behind a finnish defender towards Rinne and the net...and no real hit back... I cannot imagine the same play of any team against Sweden or Canada, there would be some blood dammit

I thought it was Barkov, not a d man?

 

[Dris]

I thought it was Barkov, not a d man?

Was it?

 

[Trilliann]

Was it?

Yeah, here's a video of it

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/jaakiekko/art-2000001263811.html

 

[Dris]

Didn't watch the game, but based on U-23s performance, do you think that Sweden stands a chance against them?

No doubt..specially with the way your defense does the transition from the defensive to the offensive zone, minimizing broken play...and their defense was not even exposed last night

 

[Dris]

Yeah, here's a video of it

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/jaakiekko/art-2000001263811.html[/QU

Thanks, you are right...he didnt saw him coming from behind...Vatanen and Määtta

 

[Scotty B]

I thought it was Barkov, not a d man?

Yeah it was Barkov, but I made the same mistake earlier too

 

[Icejoker]

Why not change Koivu and Barkov, If you play with 2 rookies in the same line you have to put in an veteran. Granlund,Barkov,Donskoi could also be an interesting line.

 

[ijuka]

For forwards, here's my 5v5 puck action stats for the first and second periods(code total amount of actions that I judged as either good or bad[there were ones I considered neutral that weren't noted], % of good actions):

Granlund: 32, 53.13%
Koivu: 36, 75.00%
Donskoi: 31, 83.87%

Jokinen: 20, 80.00%
Filppula: 30, 56.67%
Komarov: 27, 44.44%

Laine: 24, 79.17%
Barkov: 16, 81.13%
Aho: 20, 70.00%

Korpikoski: 15, 46.67%
Haula: 18, 72.22%
Lehterä: 13, 69.23%


I realize I'm not done with the third period yet but the separation is pretty massive for certain players, wouldn't you say?

Some things I realized while doing this that I didn't realize during the game: Jokinen was actually really good. Barkov's line was playing vs McDavid's and held its own pretty well. Granlund sucked massively. Filppula and Komarov with major nosedives.

 

[BusQuets]

Starting to really doubt your stats or how you count them as Granlund was easily the best forward for Finland.

 

[cotopaxi]

Starting to really doubt your stats or how you count them as Granlund was easily the best forward for Finland.

I thought he looked completely lost in that game.

 

[BusQuets]

I thought he looked completely lost in that game.

As did everyone but he at least could make things happen and had the speed to fly through the neutral zone keeping possession. It was big part of why the 1st line was "okay".

 

[ijuka]

Starting to really doubt your stats or how you count them as Granlund was easily the best forward for Finland.

Hmm?

Well, here are the full ones:

puckbattles won 4 lost 4

passes 5 good 4 bad

received passes 8 good 2 bad

dangles 1 bad

shots 2 bad

dump 2 bad

Check through the first 2 periods in 5v5 and see where I went wrong. I did replay unclear situations several times and I don't think that Granlund specifically had many unclear plays. I did count his redirect that went far above the goal as a bad shot, I guess that depends on how you look at it. I think he could have accomplished something better there.

 

[DoubleGold]

Why did they move Haula aside? Teräväinen is a complete tool, no motivation.

 

[Harvest]

For forwards, here's my 5v5 puck action stats for the first and second periods(code total amount of actions that I judged as either good or bad[there were ones I considered neutral that weren't noted], % of good actions):

Granlund: 32, 53.13%
Koivu: 36, 75.00%
Donskoi: 31, 83.87%

Jokinen: 20, 80.00%
Filppula: 30, 56.67%
Komarov: 27, 44.44%

Laine: 24, 79.17%
Barkov: 16, 81.13%
Aho: 20, 70.00%

Korpikoski: 15, 46.67%
Haula: 18, 72.22%
Lehterä: 13, 69.23%


I realize I'm not done with the third period yet but the separation is pretty massive for certain players, wouldn't you say?

Some things I realized while doing this that I didn't realize during the game: Jokinen was actually really good. Barkov's line was playing vs McDavid's and held its own pretty well. Granlund sucked massively. Filppula and Komarov with major nosedives.

I tought that Barkov's line sucked really hard and especially Aho. I mean every line sucked hard, but Granlund definitely wasn't the worst player, not even close..

 

[psycho_dad*]

Starting to really doubt your stats or how you count them as Granlund was easily the best forward for Finland.

What?!

Granlund was a massive failure last night. He had absolutely nothing going and he usually is among top 3.

I'm only suprised by Filppula's low number, he actually seemed to be in the game way more than his linemates and most of team Finland.

Aho and Granlund were brutal. Korpikoski doesn't need to be mentioned because nobody can expect anything from him.

 

[Periwinkle]

Rinne had no business starting, how could you pick him over Rask?.

This is utter hindsight-BS. Rinne clearly outplayed Rask in the pre-tournament games.

Of the new lines, scratching Lindell seems like the right move, he seemed to be in a lot of trouble yesterday. I was surprised Jokipakka was scratched in the first place, he was one of the most pleasant surprises of the practice games (not that he would have made any difference yesterday).Not sure about Haula being the one to sit, as he's actually one of the players that can keep up with the speed...I did miss half the game so maybe he was bad in the latter half. Something has to be done but I'm not sure playing Teuvo on his off-wing in the 4th line is going to help us any.

I'd keep the first line as is since it seemed to work against Sweden in the practice game...but start making changes if we are behind and the lines are not working when the second half the game starts.

 

[Mestaruus]

Rinne was brutal, he was looking behind him all nite, cause puck was leaking thru 5 hole. He musta had a horse-shoe where the sun don't shine, cause score coulda been 8-1. Don't know how it wasn't? How many did YG's ring off the post/bar? 4 or 5 easy? How many goals died just before crossing line? Two, plus another got cleared by a Dman. McD missed an open net, plus sent one skidding thru crease behind Rinne. That disallowed goal, if Schiefele doesn't knock Dman into Rinne, Rinne knocks it in anyway.

In the NHL Rask is the better goalie by far. He has that A-game in him. Suomi has already lost confidence in Rinne. So roll the dice. Cause looks like Rask is you're ONLY HOPE!

Well it's almost same to me who plays, but I know Rinne would be fired up after not playing perfectly in that game. On the other hand Rask deserves a chance in the actual tournament, but Rask did lose his prep game vs Sweden while Rinne won his... So almost like a coin toss.

I'm happy about the changes to roster and lines. Now I just want the kids line to get priority and get PP1 minutes. Seems like Jokinen is still in the PP unit instead of Aho though.

 

[Mestaruus]

Pre season exhibition games don't mean much.

U-23 look so motivated and skilled, I think the only way to beat them is by boring them to death making them frustrated and sloppy.

I think prep games mean something, but Young Guns is a scary team when they play their best.

Yeah Czech kinda did that to them, bored them to death. I was expecting Finland to be able to do that to them as well. Maybe Sweden can win with their better defenders, however I must say I'm not convinced of Sweden's goalies right now. We'll see what happens. If Loui scores some PP goals you can win it .

 

[BB88]

This is utter hindsight-BS. Rinne clearly outplayed Rask in the pre-tournament games.

Of the new lines, scratching Lindell seems like the right move, he seemed to be in a lot of trouble yesterday. I was surprised Jokipakka was scratched in the first place, he was one of the most pleasant surprises of the practice games (not that he would have made any difference yesterday).Not sure about Haula being the one to sit, as he's actually one of the players that can keep up with the speed...I did miss half the game so maybe he was bad in the latter half. Something has to be done but I'm not sure playing Teuvo on his off-wing in the 4th line is going to help us any.

I'd keep the first line as is since it seemed to work against Sweden in the practice game...but start making changes if we are behind and the lines are not working when the second half the game starts.

He didn't clearly outplay Rask.
He gave up softies in both games, and again last night.

Pulju should be there, boy would our 4th line/bottom6 use his speed.

 

[Periwinkle]

He didn't clearly outplay Rask.
He gave up softies in both games, and again last night.

Pulju should be there, boy would our 4th line/bottom6 use his speed.

And Rask gave up even sloppier goals.

What happened last night is not relevant when the argument is "how could one start Rinne???".

And the Pulju discussion is completely moot, why would any coach/management pick a player recovering from a knee injury who didn't even make the World Championship team? He apparently looks great now (in a rookie tournament) and that is great, but there was no way to know that when team selections were made.

 

[Mestaruus]

Is Marjamäki trying too hard, to take it all into account, that he has ended up ripping his playbook apart and we skate around like headless chickens?
New coach, new tourney, too little time to prepare - try to follow recommendations, old guard say Koivu line is first - gets most ice time, old guard says euro tactics don't work, mushed up mess of a game plan instead..

I think so. The big group of retired NHL vet advisors thing along with Jarmo Kekäläinen maybe isn't working. Just like you said, they influence Marjamäki's decisions too much. One can clearly see it in the Leijonat Inside series (that is now on YLE areena if someone hasn't seen it). Marjamäki suggested there to originally put Aho in the 4th line for the first prep game already and we could see later on it didn't happen. Probably influenced by the NHL advisors. That is just one example.

Maybe we'll win the 2 games though and I'll take my words back but right now it feels like too many too influential advisors. Keep Jere Lehtinen, but Teemu, Saku and Timonen can go or something.

 

[ijuka]

I tought that Barkov's line sucked really hard and especially Aho. I mean every line sucked hard, but Granlund definitely wasn't the worst player, not even close..

I think that Aho was bad, too. But I think that a big part of the Barkov line sucking was Barkov just not having puck actions. He got destroyed by both wingers(Especially Laine) in puck actions and only had 26 actions that I noted. That's only 2 more than Haula, the 4th line center. On the other hand, Koivu had 63 actions and Filppula 51. I'm not sure why that is. Usually so low puck actions would signify that they couldn't get the puck at all but that doesn't explain Laine having 50% more actions that Barkov, still. From doing the stats, the center tends to on average have around 20-25% more actions than the wingers.

Final stats, all 3 periods(Total actions, % of good actions):

Granlund: 49, 59.18%
Koivu: 63, 73.02%
Donskoi 52, 78.85%

Jokinen: 33, 69.70%
Filppula: 51, 66.67%
Komarov: 39, 64.10%

Laine: 39, 79.49%
Barkov: 26, 80.77%
Aho: 34, 64.71%

Korpikoski: 21, 42.86%
Haula: 24, 75.00%
Lehterä: 20, 75.00%

 

[Mestaruus]

Why did they move Haula aside? Teräväinen is a complete tool, no motivation.

At least in the Leijonat Inside series the coaching staff weren't fully convinced of Haula some months ago. Now if he's not that convincing in current games, it's easy to move him aside as we have a lot of centers in the team. I like the change personally and I didn't think Haula would be the target but it makes sense to try with Haula as the 13th forward.

 

[ijuka]

Haula's %s have been some of the better ones.

I'd absolutely have benched Korpikoski. Both the eye test as well as the stats say that he's awful.

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Maybe we'll win the 2 games though and I'll take my words back but right now it feels like too many too influential advisors. Keep Jere Lehtinen, but Teemu, Saku and Timonen can go or something.

What has Jere Lehtinen done in the world of ice hockey management or coaching to justify his selection as GM? I do not think that building a tournament team should be a training wheels job at all but very much the opposite.

The Leading One I think got it just right with his flanks versus centre theorem: if you abandon the whole theory of Finnish winning ice hockey of this decade just because you are on another continent, in smaller match box and start writing it all over from scratch... what a price to pay. Time for Marjamäki to recapture the magic and couple wins will follow.