Didn't watch the game, but based on U-23s performance, do you think that Sweden stands a chance against them?
World Cup: 2016 World Cup-Team Finland II
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Laine-Barkov-Granlund
Jokinen-Koivu-Donskoi
Lehterä-Filppula-Komarov
Korpikoski-Haula-Teräväinen
Ristolainen-Jokipakka
Määttä-Vatanen
Lepistö-Pokka
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That's how Sweden falls.
Jokinen-Koivu-Donskoi
Lehterä-Filppula-Komarov
Korpikoski-Haula-Teräväinen
Ristolainen-Jokipakka
Määttä-Vatanen
Lepistö-Pokka
Rask
That's how Sweden falls.
I would prob keep Rinne in goal for the Sweden game. He after all won us the prep game vs Sweden while Rask lost. It is kind of same to me which one plays but I'd take Rinne.
I'd also put Teräväinen in to replace someone. Jokipakka probably as well. I wouldn't go messing with all the lines since next game will be so much different and we did beat them once in the prep games. I wanna see kids line vs Sweden. Please Marjamäki though just let Barkov-Laine play PP1 minutes.
Komarov looked like best player to me, but even he wasn't his usual self.
Czech beat them so why not.
I'd also put Teräväinen in to replace someone. Jokipakka probably as well. I wouldn't go messing with all the lines since next game will be so much different and we did beat them once in the prep games. I wanna see kids line vs Sweden. Please Marjamäki though just let Barkov-Laine play PP1 minutes.
Komarov looked like best player to me, but even he wasn't his usual self.
Czech beat them so why not.
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What a brutal game. Haven't seen Finland getting caught pants down this badly in such a long time. The team was ranked as the worst and last night showed why. Regardless of how crazy good the young NA team was, I was sure with experience and coaching we could make it look like an even game. Oh boy how wrong I was. Didn't expect Marjamäki to suddenly wake up and do things properly (after three games of not that great management), but he nearly benched Barkov along with the entire line, yeah the same line that didn't get embarrassed. Didn't count but think I saw him on the ice maybe 4-5 times max on the third period. Granted, Barkov hasn't been playing up to his standards, but he hasn't been playing the usual minutes starting from the exhibition games. They all need TOI to get their games going and Marjamäki isn't handing it. Meanwhile Koivu and Filppula are taking every other shift.
In the real world, why does the head coach refuse to utilise his best center and watches the whole team go down in the flames? The team got beat up by punch of kids, while our own young guns were kept on the bay (by the management). Tried googling the actual TOIs' but couldn't find them. As long as Marjamäki is in the reigns I'm not expecting anything out of this tournament. He's not cut in for the biggest stage, that atleast seems to be more than obvious. Finland has always been the underdogs and still usually managed to compensate the individual skill by excellent team play. Unfortunately that's not the case today.
In the real world, why does the head coach refuse to utilise his best center and watches the whole team go down in the flames? The team got beat up by punch of kids, while our own young guns were kept on the bay (by the management). Tried googling the actual TOIs' but couldn't find them. As long as Marjamäki is in the reigns I'm not expecting anything out of this tournament. He's not cut in for the biggest stage, that atleast seems to be more than obvious. Finland has always been the underdogs and still usually managed to compensate the individual skill by excellent team play. Unfortunately that's not the case today.
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Finns love hockey as much as Canadians. I chat with lots of you guys.
Don't ****ing quit boys. It's not over, you control your own destiny. Go beat Tre Kronor and Russia and you advance. It would be a shame if you guys gave up now, that's not the Finnish fighting spirit I know. Your backs are against the wall, what are you going to do about it? Canadians wouldn't quit, neither will Finns.
Go fight back into this thing.
Don't ****ing quit boys. It's not over, you control your own destiny. Go beat Tre Kronor and Russia and you advance. It would be a shame if you guys gave up now, that's not the Finnish fighting spirit I know. Your backs are against the wall, what are you going to do about it? Canadians wouldn't quit, neither will Finns.
Go fight back into this thing.
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IMO 60-70% chance NAH will win over Sweden (30-40%),
Result could be either 2-4 or 1-3 ... however very likely that it'll be a scoring content like 4-7 or more. It all depends on how good the goaltending is and how well the swedish defensemen can shut down the offensive output from NAH. If you have hard time scoring goals, you're not gonna win this one.
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Not surprised at all. The Finns have a garbage defense and very little firepower. Rinne had no business starting, how could you pick him over Rask?. That being said, even if a prime Hasek would have been in goal the Finns would have lost. They were completely outplayed but the worst thing for me was just how damn slow they were. Hopefully they bounce back and make it out of the group but I seriously doubt that will happen.
Hopefully this ends the ongoing love fest for Finland. Sure the juniors look very promising and they often overachieve to get medals in tournaments. However, anyone looking at the current state of Finnish hockey should be able to say that it will take some time before the team can compete with the big boys, especially on small ice. The World Championships are a weak tournament so getting a medal there now and then means very little when looking at the big picture.
Another thing driving me bonkers is how the media and some fans talk about the Finnish prospects. Give it a rest people! The Finnish media talks more about Laine than it does about anyone else by a huge margin. Yesterday all talk concerning Finland was how great Laine was and he was described as the key player for Finland. Utterly ridiculous in my opinion. Laine has great potential but he just is not a great player at this point, which is perfectly normal the dude is 18 and a prospect. I get that he was taken 2nd overall but they are forcing this narrative that Laine is pure gold and can do no wrong. Anyone who watched the Worlds should be able to say that Laine was clearly outplayed by a bunch of players on the roster and that nearly every single one of his points came against the weak countries. Still he was given the MVP just because it fits the narrative that the entire hockey world is pushing.
Hopefully this ends the ongoing love fest for Finland. Sure the juniors look very promising and they often overachieve to get medals in tournaments. However, anyone looking at the current state of Finnish hockey should be able to say that it will take some time before the team can compete with the big boys, especially on small ice. The World Championships are a weak tournament so getting a medal there now and then means very little when looking at the big picture.
Another thing driving me bonkers is how the media and some fans talk about the Finnish prospects. Give it a rest people! The Finnish media talks more about Laine than it does about anyone else by a huge margin. Yesterday all talk concerning Finland was how great Laine was and he was described as the key player for Finland. Utterly ridiculous in my opinion. Laine has great potential but he just is not a great player at this point, which is perfectly normal the dude is 18 and a prospect. I get that he was taken 2nd overall but they are forcing this narrative that Laine is pure gold and can do no wrong. Anyone who watched the Worlds should be able to say that Laine was clearly outplayed by a bunch of players on the roster and that nearly every single one of his points came against the weak countries. Still he was given the MVP just because it fits the narrative that the entire hockey world is pushing.
Don't exaggerate.
Utter mess. It was bad. Rinne is on such a steep decline that he should consider hanging them up.
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Rinne was brutal, he was looking behind him all nite, cause puck was leaking thru 5 hole. He musta had a horse-shoe where the sun don't shine, cause score coulda been 8-1. Don't know how it wasn't? How many did YG's ring off the post/bar? 4 or 5 easy? How many goals died just before crossing line? Two, plus another got cleared by a Dman. McD missed an open net, plus sent one skidding thru crease behind Rinne. That disallowed goal, if Schiefele doesn't knock Dman into Rinne, Rinne knocks it in anyway.
In the NHL Rask is the better goalie by far. He has that A-game in him. Suomi has already lost confidence in Rinne. So roll the dice. Cause looks like Rask is you're ONLY HOPE!
Rinne was brutal, he was looking behind him all nite, cause puck was leaking thru 5 hole. He musta had a horse-shoe where the sun don't shine, cause score coulda been 8-1. Don't know how it wasn't? How many did YG's ring off the post/bar? 4 or 5 easy? How many goals died just before crossing line? Two, plus another got cleared by a Dman. McD missed an open net, plus sent one skidding thru crease behind Rinne. That disallowed goal, if Schiefele doesn't knock Dman into Rinne, Rinne knocks it in anyway.
In the NHL Rask is the better goalie by far. He has that A-game in him. Suomi has already lost confidence in Rinne. So roll the dice. Cause looks like Rask is you're ONLY HOPE!
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Didn't watch hthe game but I saw the highlights on Youtube. I can definitely agree that our players gifted several of the goals with sloppy passing and defense. Based on comments in the media and on messageboards, we seemed to have exactly what Marjamäki said we shouldn't do in the June issue of Jääkiekkolehti. He said we can't play quick North and South hockey because we can't match the other teams in speed, size and physicality. I guess he hasn't learned how to trap in the small rink yet.
Pre season exhibition games don't mean much.
U-23 look so motivated and skilled, I think the only way to beat them is by boring them to death making them frustrated and sloppy.
You're best chance, indeed you're only chance vs YG's, was to play physical, patient, clog up the neutral zone, push everything to the perimeter, and wait for your chance to counter-attack, hockey. Patience is the key here, don't try to play a high tempo North-South game with a team that transitions that quickly...cause SPEED KILLS. Just sit back, be ready to pounce on their mistakes, plus let those Boyz burn themselves out.
Czechs didn't get sucked into trying to run and gun with YG's . They stayed patient, dominating in the face-off circle, plus dominating board play/the greasy areas down low, and it worked well. Indeed Czechs really pushed kiddies around, around the blue ice, where it matters most..
As Team Europe also proved over their final 40 minutes against them , the over exuberance of youth can be their downfall. YG's, if pressured, tend to be turnover prone. They weren't last nite, in part because all 4 lines were clicking, but also because Suomi didn't play the right way/ couldn't rattle their cages, so to speak.
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Au contraire Czechs revealed team YG's Achilles heal. Hell they parked a guy in front on the pp and YG's D didn't even engage. They dominated faceoffs and board play, imposing their will down low, roughing them up, and making those kidz look like kidz. Don't let shot totals fool you, Czechs totally deserved to win that game...
For sure, that's the most obvious way to beat them. But maybe, just maybe, Russia's ultra- talented forwards will actually be able to beat them at their own game...
You can be the fastest team in the world -- and YG's surely are --- but fast puck movement trumps that every-time.
People acting like YG's are unbeatable...
( NEWSFLASH ) THEY'RE NOT!!!
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Your honesty is super refreshing, and a rarity on this topic, so respect points to you.
Komarov was probably the best Finn last night, filled in a much, much bigger Aaron Ekblad, and was taking runs at Paryako too.
TOI among centers was:
Barkov: 14:57
Koivu: 19:33
Filppula: 17:39
Haula: 10:32
That's just absurd to me. Was Barkov that bad? Also Donskoi with over 18 minutes and Lehterä just over 8 mins. :S
Barkov: 14:57
Koivu: 19:33
Filppula: 17:39
Haula: 10:32
That's just absurd to me. Was Barkov that bad? Also Donskoi with over 18 minutes and Lehterä just over 8 mins. :S
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You understand that the biggest reason why Finland failed was that they tried to match Team-NA's speed. Finland should have slowed the game completely down like they have many times before. Marjamaki underestimated them completely. But if you gonna have a game like this have it against this team and in the first game.
BusQuets
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No but Finland usually has a team that follows the game plan set by coaches the best. This time the game plan was wrong.
That's not all. TOI of the matching wingers:
Laine 15:48
Aho 15:14
Granlund 19:49
Donskoi 18:20
Jokinen: 15:51
Komarov: 15:00
Korpikoski 8:57
Lehterä: 8:44
Basically, the wingers for the Barkov line and the Filppula line are getting the same amount of ice time, with Barkov's wingers actually getting a few seconds more. However, Barkov himself is getting almost 3 minutes less than Filppula and also less than both of his wingers. Barkov had the 4th lowest ice time out of all forwards.
The structure and the system in general either was completely dysfunctional or wasn't followed properly at all. It was unbelievably ugly hockey.
Their game isn't very structured but their speed and quick transitions are a threat to any team. We simply didn't have the speed and talent to keep up with them, but I am sure with your defense and manpower Sweden will do better.
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