Yeah, Haula is not the problem and I was quite suprides that they are gonna bench him, but to be honest they don't look up the %s when they make those decisions.
World Cup: 2016 World Cup-Team Finland II
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Yeah, Haula is not the problem and I was quite suprides that they are gonna bench him, but to be honest they don't look up the %s when they make those decisions.
The %s are just a simplified way of looking at how many times the puck ends up with the opposing team after the player touches it.
Like, let me take a look at Korpikoski. He had one good pass and one good shot all game. So 2 times he made a good action. Every other time, any time he had the puck, it was possessed by the opposing team right after. And that one "good" shot was off a breakaway and was a very crappy shot.
I've been all for that since the beginning. I like the current changes tho. Let's see what happens with that.
Have to think of outside this tournament as well since Jere Lehtinen is the GM. He was a strong GM in last WHC by being able to lure a lot of good players into the team and we don't want to loose that. It is hard to say who is to blame of the NHL vet advisors or maybe none of them at all is to blame, but my gut feeling is that there's too many of them and half should go so it's easier for Marjamäki to make up his own mind. In the end it is Marjamäki to blame if he lets them influence his decisions too much and that leading into poor results, but I understand it is not easy in his position as a rookie NT coach surrounded by so many older people and with so much NHL experience.
I kind of believe in Marjamäki even if we lose all games in the World Cup. The EHT and next WHC will tell if he can be a good NT coach.
BB88
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You said Rinne clearly outplayed Rask which wasn't true.
That 2nd Swedish game was worse from the Finns than the 1st was, and Rask has been the better goalie in the NHL for years.
Periwinkle
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In my eyes Rask was very bad in the game he played, and while Rinne wasn't great either, there was no question as to who should start. We'll have to disagree on this.
Rask has been on a decline lately as well, they both have. With goalies you have to go with who is hotter at any given time. I appreciate Rinne's calmness over Rask's occasional meltdowns.
But I agree with Rask starting the next game, Rinne wasn't good last night, even if he did help the numbers being even more ugly. And it must take a lot for all the team to gain confidence for the next game.
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It just wasn't realistic. He didn't have a euro tour or WHC experience and while he was great in the playoffs, he wasn't great enough to warrant an automatic spot in the World cup team. It would have required some unprecedented boldness by Finnish head coach. They already took Aho and Laine who are very young so taking Pulju would have been big risk if these guys wouldn't have been able to play well enough.
Sure in retrospective guys like Puljujarvi,Rantanen and Salomaki could have been better choices than some of the veterans that they took but it isn't realistic enough to even argue about.
Not only the passive hockey. Finland made mistakes in quiet situations. This team is very confused incl. Pre games.
Loffer
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Well, anyway Jere Lehtinen is more qualified for the job than this "leading one", to say the least... Hahah.
You think "our game" or adding some more delayed zone starts or whatever **** would help Team Finland to get their slow moleassess out from troubles way when the time and space are not there to begin with? And so on. - Few days back you sounded still very confident on Finland's success in this tournament based on some outdated and useless systems orignated somewhere east of Norway. Hah.
Actually delayed starts and such are pretty terrible on small ice. Finland's issues have been due to being too slow as is.
we need new lines.. and for the love of god break granlund koivu.
Laine-Barkov-Aho
Granlund-Lehterä-Donskoi
Filppula-Koivu-Teräväinen
Komarov-Haula-Jokinen
Laine-Barkov-Aho
Granlund-Lehterä-Donskoi
Filppula-Koivu-Teräväinen
Komarov-Haula-Jokinen
Well, anyway Jere Lehtinen is more qualified for the job than this "leading one", to say the least... Hahah.
You think "our game" or adding some more delayed zone starts or whatever **** would help Team Finland to get their slow moleassess out from troubles way when the time and space are not there to begin with? And so on. - Few days back you sounded still very confident on Finland's success in this tournament based on some outdated and useless systems orignated somewhere east of Norway. Hah.
Time and space, that's the key. Delayed starts and whatnot is just a tool to try and create that.
But the point here is, young guns while great - should not be that much greater, there should be more time and space, so why did it turn out like that?
I think the theory here is, not to blame our game, but to blame the lack of any cohesive game.
It's been watered down so much, it's nothing.
Ergo, even 100% rigid our game would be better than what we have seen so far.
Besides, Jukka Jalonen did fine with our game on the small rink, in Vancouver our biggest sinkhole was the vets line who refused to listen to him.
Now all of these players, all of them, have played our game - so theyre more likely to be able to execute it instead of something else. Might as well try it, as Plan A sure as hell isn't working
That's pretty terrible. Here's the best possible lineup:
Laine-Barkov-Donskoi
Jokinen-Koivu-Teräväinen
Granlund-Filppula-Aho
Komarov-Haula-Lehterä
All 3 first lines have a finisher which currently is an issue.
Who knows, maybe he is a disciple of the leading one.
They think they're going to get an all-around ~60 pt dominant force of a center in Dubois. It's damn near impossible for a winger to match that value, and not just for the Jackets - it's easier for any team to find wingers.
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Barkov is the best and the most important skater on this team. Playing him just 15 minutes babysitting the two kids is one of the stupidest coaching moves I've seen in recent years re: NT. Way to take his offence out and way to **** up his defensive game.
You want to play Laine and Aho on the same line put them with Haula or Filppula ffs.
We're supposed to play to our strengths not to our weaknesses. Everybody gets that.
Rask is the obvious choice and should've been that from day one.
You want to play Laine and Aho on the same line put them with Haula or Filppula ffs.
We're supposed to play to our strengths not to our weaknesses. Everybody gets that.
Rask is the obvious choice and should've been that from day one.
Well, I think Barkov himself probably has some responsibility for his occasioanal invisibility. And anyway this tournament is just a good way to practice our best team for the future - maybe those players don't gel in these games but they sure might in the future. There's not so much for us to win here - the realistic maximum is to get to semifinals, that's all.
If Sweden wins us and team NA, and we win the Russians, then it leaves NA, Finland and Russia with 1 win.
The one who has the best goal differiental goes to semis correct?
The one who has the best goal differiental goes to semis correct?
Conspiracy Theorist
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Yes, it ain't like team NA would not use puck control elements but of course they have the material advantage so it is far easier to have success with more straightforward approach.
It ain't different game but culture in the Americas. You could see a spectator banging the glass when NA got off with a delayed play. Finland should not have too much respect for their hockey culture when ours is more advanced. Couple games left at least for course correction
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Yup, and if it is still tied then the one with most goals scored. Of course assumed all wins are on regular (if they weren't all three wouldn't be on even points).
Who do you suggest we should devastate with a goal blow out?
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