World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden

[spuleri]

That I like, if now we only had the same level on our forwards, then nothing would stop us.

But in reality it could look like this with Grönborg:

Hjalmarsson – Karlsson
Ekman-Larsson – Kronwall help
Hedman – Strålman
Oduya

Does anyone know where the defenders play? Karlsson is a RD, right? And how about the others? Hjalmarsson (RD), Ekman-Larsson (LD). And what about Klingberg?

 

[mjlee]

Anyone else have the feeling our defense will score more than our forwards?

 

[EK47]

Anyone else have the feeling our defense will score more than our forwards?

Well Karlsson led team Sweden in scoring in sochi so... yeah probably

 

[Sky04]

Strålman could maybe have made the team on his own, but that would have a been a close call, he is not at Klingbergs level. Klingberg is a top 5 d-men in the entire league this season, Strålman top 40, at most top 30.

The principal is the same, even if Strålman is better than Oduya, Ericsson. We shall not play Strålman and Hedman together just because they play together in NHL, especially if that means putting much better players outside the team. Then you do the same, value "chemistry" over class. I have been a fan of Strålman his entire career, but now he is started to be very overrated. Remember that the team have more time to play togehter as a team before this tournament than they had in the olympics.

Stralman is better than Klingberg defensively and would be much more trusted on NHL ice, Klingberg is redundant when you have Karlsson and OEL already. Stralman doesn't have to play with Hedman, he can anchor a line himself.

Klingberg's strength in scoring and even then he'd be on the 3rd line, Karlsson, OEL and Hedman will be eating the majority of the minutes for the few minutes the 3rd pairing gets you want them to be able to be rocks defensively, Stralman fits that bill even if he isn't paired with Hedman.

I find it funny that you say you've been following Stralman his entire career and keep trying to imply that he was only brought in because of Hedman, yet Stralman rise to fame last year was in large part because of what he did while Hedman was injured.

 

[Elvs]

Strålman could maybe have made the team on his own, but that would have a been a close call, he is not at Klingbergs level. Klingberg is a top 5 d-men in the entire league this season, Strålman top 40, at most top 30.

The principal is the same, even if Strålman is better than Oduya, Ericsson. We shall not play Strålman and Hedman together just because they play together in NHL, especially if that means putting much better players outside the team. Then you do the same, value "chemistry" over class. I have been a fan of Strålman his entire career, but now he is started to be very overrated. Remember that the team have more time to play togehter as a team before this tournament than they had in the olympics.

Klingberg is not a top 5 defenseman. He's not good enough defensively for that. He has 23 points in his last 38 games. That is still good of course, but had he produced on this pace the whole season and ended the season with 48 points the hype wouldn't have been nearly the same. Not saying he shouldn't be on the team, but I agree with every pick except Kronwall ahead of him. The other four were 100% locks.

 

[ulvvf]

Klingberg is not a top 5 defenseman. He's not good enough defensively for that. He has 23 points in his last 38 games. That is still good of course, but had he produced on this pace the whole season and ended the season with 48 points the hype wouldn't have been nearly the same. Not saying he shouldn't be on the team, but I agree with every pick except Kronwall ahead of him. The other four were 100% locks.

This season easily top 5, maybe top 3. Last 38 games? So what, all players goes up and down during the season, that do Karlsson do as well, every player do that. You will have players that end with medicore stats that have had periods of being with over 1 PPG, maybe even 2 PPG, just look at the beginning of every season.

There is nothing wrong with Klingbergs defense. People just say that because he comes in the league as a high scoring d-men. Then people just assume he is bad defensivly. His hockey iq, speed, passing skills etc do not disapear when he plays defense.

When people say a player have been bad defensivly it is 9 out of 10 times because of a giveaway or 2. Then it becomes intresting that players like Hjalmarsson have about the same amount of giveaways but get never a bad time for it, despite he do not have the same good excuse for the giveaways, he is not a puck moving d-men or expected to be creative, but still he have about the same amount of giveaways. But he get a free pass where people would be all over players like Klingberg. It should be the other way around, if you should give a player a bad time for a giveaway it should be the ones that have the role as a defensivly d-men not the ones that have a perfectly good reason for sometime doing it. With that said I want to point out that I think focus on giveaways is a bad way to judge a player, but it is very obvious that people focus a lot on it, expically when a offensive gifted player do a giveaway.

Klingbergs game against russia in WHC was one of the best preformance I have ever seen a swedish player done in the national shirt, completly dominated over all 3 zones, he was a dominated as OEL was against france. But he did a giveaways, and I guess that is what most people remember.

 

[ulvvf]

Stralman is better than Klingberg defensively and would be much more trusted on NHL ice, Klingberg is redundant when you have Karlsson and OEL already. Stralman doesn't have to play with Hedman, he can anchor a line himself.

Klingberg's strength in scoring and even then he'd be on the 3rd line, Karlsson, OEL and Hedman will be eating the majority of the minutes for the few minutes the 3rd pairing gets you want them to be able to be rocks defensively, Stralman fits that bill even if he isn't paired with Hedman.

I find it funny that you say you've been following Stralman his entire career and keep trying to imply that he was only brought in because of Hedman, yet Stralman rise to fame last year was in large part because of what he did while Hedman was injured.

I have never said that Strålman could not make the team on his own, what I said was that it then would have been a close call, because he is on the same level as, Lindholm, Ekholm, Edler, Larsson etc.

What in what I have said would suggest that I didnt know that? Either way I do not see the relevant in it anyway, because I havnt said that Strålman could not make the team on his own anyway. I always hold Strålman high, even when he was struggling big time in NHL, and I lifted his name before the olympics, but he simple isnt at Klingbergs level.

As mention before Strålman is a good example of what happen when you put a offensive one-dimensional d-men as a shutdown d-men. Why would not the same happen if you put Klingberg in that role?

Klingbergs is no way redundant, he is more skilled defensivly than you seem to think, and would do excellent in a shutdown role, not because I would use him in that role. We could use 3 PP d-men and it is good to have a elite puck moving d-men out theere the whole time. I am fairly sure that all 3 d-men pair will get around 20 min. Plus I am a believer in momentum, if you can, you should have offensive skilled players in the 4th line and 3th pair as well, to keep up the momentum, to tired out the oppenets.

 

[VictorLustig]

Klingberg is not a top 5 defenseman. He's not good enough defensively for that. He has 23 points in his last 38 games. That is still good of course, but had he produced on this pace the whole season and ended the season with 48 points the hype wouldn't have been nearly the same. Not saying he shouldn't be on the team, but I agree with every pick except Kronwall ahead of him. The other four were 100% locks.

Agree. Klingberg has the points but he can be brutal in his own end at times, much like Karlsson.

 

[ulvvf]

I'm just curios. People who wants the best players no matter of types/roles, do you think it was a mistake to have guys like Samuel Pahlsson and PJ Axelsson on the 2006 team over guys like Michael Nylander and Christian Huselius?

I do not think it was Påhlsson or PJ that won us the gold medal, I think it was players like Forsberg, Sundin and Lidström. The same goes for the WHC gold, it was the sedins. But if we win I will not complain, but Grönborg have try this 3 times with the WJC team and failed.

I rather take 2xForsberg than 1xForsberg and 1xPÃ¥hlsson. You could need a mix of different types of players, yes, but still a focus on skills, at least when the skills is elite.

 

[Nordic*]

Klingberg can join the team as a 7th defenceman. Not good enough for the top-6.

Karlsson
Oliver
Hedman
Lindholm
Stralman
A.Larsson
Brodin
Edler
Hjalmarsson


All better.

 

[Tomas W]

Hörnqvist have been playing really well lately, maybe guy for the team now, right?

 

[Raymones]

Hörnqvist have been playing really well lately, maybe guy for the team now, right?

I will be really disappointed if he isn't on the team. He has net presence, something we will need. Goes to the dirty areas in front of the net and often seems to be in the right spot.

 

[Tomas W]

I will be really disappointed if he isn't on the team. He has net presence, something we will need. Goes to the dirty areas in front of the net and often seems to be in the right spot.

A good net presence yes.

I want Hörnqvist, Rakell, Söderberg aaand either Nyquist or Joe Hanson or maybe Hagelin. Geez tough the last ones there.

Hörnqvist and Rakell for sure and then it's pretty tough to say, lots of equal options...

If Grönborg & co are seeking role players rather than just the best players available, then maybe Kruger or Silverberg also have a chance, the latter also beeing a shootout specialist. Or some SHL player, but I dont want any SHLers, more fun with an 100% NHL team.

 

[Willy Stylez]

Rakell feels like a lock.

 

[Raymones]

A good net presence yes.

I want Hörnqvist, Rakell, Söderberg aaand either Nyquist or Joe Hanson or maybe Hagelin. Geez tough the last ones there.

Hörnqvist and Rakell for sure and then it's pretty tough to say, lots of equal options...

If Grönborg & co are seeking role players rather than just the best players available, then maybe Kruger or Silverberg also have a chance, the latter also beeing a shootout specialist. Or some SHL player, but I dont want any SHLers, more fun with an 100% NHL team.

I'd go with Nyquist over Johansson. And yes, it is hard picking the last spots..

If Grönborg goes for a role player (like Kruger) I'd be fine with that.

 

[Elvs]

This season easily top 5, maybe top 3. Last 38 games? So what, all players goes up and down during the season, that do Karlsson do as well, every player do that. You will have players that end with medicore stats that have had periods of being with over 1 PPG, maybe even 2 PPG, just look at the beginning of every season.

à never said Klingberg was bad defensively. I said he isn't good enough defensively to be a top 5 defenseman in the league. There's a huge differance. The last 38 games matters because in that span his production has been similar to his production last season, and because Seguin and Benn dominated in the beginning of the year. Sure it goes both ways and Klingberg helps them too, but if Klingberg played in Arizona he might not even have 40 points this year.

Defencemen are prone to being inconsistant on the score sheet. Scoring goals from the point is difficult and a lot of assists for defencemen are secondary. Judging a defenceman on points, in a relatively short sample size, is pretty much impossible. Saying Klingberg is a top 3 defenseman in the NHL is like saying Ryan Whitney was one of the NHL's best defenceman in 06/07.

I do not think it was Påhlsson or PJ that won us the gold medal, I think it was players like Forsberg, Sundin and Lidström. The same goes for the WHC gold, it was the sedins. But if we win I will not complain, but Grönborg have try this 3 times with the WJC team and failed.

I rather take 2xForsberg than 1xForsberg and 1xPÃ¥hlsson. You could need a mix of different types of players, yes, but still a focus on skills, at least when the skills is elite.

If only we had two Forsberg's lol. Pahlsson was arguably the best defensive center in the NHL around 2006-2009, and finished #2 for the Selke Trophy in 2007.

 

[Elvs]

And Klingberg has nothing on Hjalmarsson defensively. As for turnovers, I've never given 2 cents about the giveaway stat in my 11 years of following the NHL closely. I base turnovers purely on watching players play, as all turnovers are far from equal. The bottom line is Hjalmarsson almost never makes mistakes and for a defensive defenseman he does have a good outlet pass. In a vacum he isn't better than Klingberg, but he is Sweden's best defensive defenseman and penalty killer. He has been a key component on 3 Stanley Cup winning teams.

Anyone complaining that Hjalmarsson made the team over Klingberg might as well complain about a forward or a goalie making the team over him. Klingberg and Hjalmarsson are so far from eachother in terms of playing styles that they aren't competing against eachother for a roster spot.

 

[helax]

We need Rakell for our Goon line

Let us bring Tuffe-Uffe Samuelsson back, and run him with Rakell to take care of ****

 

[jfc64]

Patrik Berglund said yesterday he's twice as good as last year. EVERYBODY wants to be on the team now!


1. Erik Karlsson (D) Ottawa Senators 67 11 57 68 1.01 44 -3
2. Nicklas Bäckström (C) Washington Capitals 62 17 44 61 0.98 26 17
3. Daniel Sedin (LW) Vancouver Canucks 63 24 30 54 0.86 32 14
4. Henrik Sedin (C) Vancouver Canucks 57 10 38 48 0.84 16 9
5. John Klingberg (D) Dallas Stars 66 10 43 53 0.80 24 11
6. Filip Forsberg (LW) Nashville Predators 66 28 23 51 0.77 32 1
7. Alexander Steen (LW) St. Louis Blues 61 17 30 47 0.77 42 0
8. Oliver Ekman Larsson (D) Arizona Coyotes 65 19 30 49 0.75 74 -12
9. Loui Eriksson (RW/LW) Boston Bruins 66 24 25 49 0.74 8 14
10. Gabriel Landeskog (LW) Colorado Avalanche 63 17 29 46 0.73 58 -3
11. Marcus Johansson (LW/C) Washington Capitals 57 15 22 37 0.65 12 14
12. Patric Hörnqvist (RW) Pittsburgh Penguins 65 17 25 42 0.65 24 9
13. Carl Söderberg (C/LW) Colorado Avalanche 67 11 32 43 0.64 26 -7
14. Henrik Zetterberg (C/LW) Detroit Red Wings 65 12 29 41 0.63 16 -2
15. Mika Zibanejad (C) Ottawa Senators 66 14 26 40 0.61 18 -1
16. Rickard Rakell (C/W) Anaheim Ducks 61 17 19 36 0.59 19 3
17. Victor Rask (C) Carolina Hurricanes 63 14 23 37 0.59 20 -3
18. Victor Hedman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 63 6 31 37 0.59 38 16
19. Gustav Nyquist (RW/LW) Detroit Red Wings 65 16 20 36 0.55 20 0
20. Mikael Backlund (C) Calgary Flames 65 13 21 34 0.52 20 6
21. André Burakovsky (W/C) Washington Capitals 62 13 19 32 0.52 10 7
22. Alexander Wennberg (C/W) Columbus Blue Jackets 53 6 21 27 0.51 0 -4
25. Anton Strålman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 64 9 22 31 0.48 18 13
26. Elias Lindholm (C/RW) Carolina Hurricanes 65 8 23 31 0.48 16 -13
27. Mattias Ekholm (D) Nashville Predators 66 7 22 29 0.44 38 14
28. Oscar Lindberg (C) New York Rangers 63 12 14 26 0.41 43 11
29. Patrik Berglund (C/W) St. Louis Blues 27 6 5 11 0.41 8 2
30. Mattias Janmark (C/LW) Dallas Stars 67 13 14 27 0.40 14 12
31. Oscar Klefbom (D) Edmonton Oilers 30 4 8 12 0.40 6 -4
32. Carl Hagelin (LW) Pittsburgh Penguins 64 7 18 25 0.39 20 -4
34. Alexander Edler (D) Vancouver Canucks 52 6 14 20 0.38 46 -8
35. Niklas Kronwall (D) Detroit Red Wings 50 3 16 19 0.38 22 -12
36. Jesper Fast (RW/LW) New York Rangers 63 9 14 23 0.37 12 5
37. Jakob Silfverberg (RW/LW) Anaheim Ducks 64 9 14 23 0.36 24 0
39. Hampus Lindholm (D) Anaheim Ducks 63 8 14 22 0.35 18 -1
44. Niklas Hjalmarsson (D) Chicago Blackhawks 67 2 17 19 0.28 30 13
45. Johnny Oduya (D) Dallas Stars 67 4 14 18 0.27 22 12
48. Jacob Josefson (C) New Jersey Devils 54 3 10 13 0.24 20 -17
50. Adam Larsson (D) New Jersey Devils 67 3 13 16 0.24 69 15
51. Tobias Enström (D) Winnipeg Jets 65 2 13 15 0.23 40 13
55. Jonathan Ericsson (D) Detroit Red Wings 54 2 8 10 0.19 44 10
59. Nicklas Grossmann (D) Arizona Coyotes 49 3 4 7 0.14 16 -2
61. Carl Gunnarsson (D) St. Louis Blues 61 2 5 7 0.11 27 6
62. Jonas Brodin (D) Minnesota Wild 53 1 5 6 0.11 16 -6
67. Anton Lander (C) Edmonton Oilers 57 1 2 3 0.05 14 -9
68. Marcus Krüger (C) Chicago Blackhawks 33 0 1 1 0.03 20 -5

1. Jhonas Enroth Los Angeles Kings 13 2.01 .931
2. Robin Lehner Buffalo Sabres 18 2.30 .931
3. Henrik Lundqvist New York Rangers 53 2.31 .923
4. Linus Ullmark Buffalo Sabres 19 2.58 .915
5. Jacob Markström Vancouver Canucks 23 2.60 .915

 

[helax]

MoJo is having a good season as well, he must be a lock or?

 

[Willy Stylez]

MoJo is having a good season as well, he must be a lock or?

He's been really good, not a lock do.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

I can already see Finland beating Sweden.

Well, Swedish team is pretty aged.

 

[helax]

Well, Swedish team is pretty aged.

We will see, everything can happened in a one-game tournament. Although as i see it, Sweden D is miles ahead of Finlands D, the forwards are also better. Goalies are even, Ruska Tupp can stand on his head and win a game for Finland, but in a best of 5/7 Sweden should win, better overall team and better depth.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Well, Swedish team is pretty aged.

Finland has opposite problem though. Imagine rocking these defensive pairs:

Maatta(21yo)—Ristolainen(21yo)
Jokipakka(24yo)—Vatanen(24yo)
Lindell(21yo)—Lindbohm(22yo)
average age: 22 years old

 

[MrOT]

Forsberg - Bäckström - Steen
Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Nyqvist - Zetterberg - Landeskog
Hagelin - Söderberg - Hörnqvist
Johansson

Karlsson - Hjalmarsson
Hedman - Strålman
Klingberg - OEL
Kronwall

Lundqvist
Lehner
Markström

This would be the best team!