World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden

[ulvvf]

Hmm not really following you here...

I think he means that Kronwall will be the 7th guy in reality in the end. The guy that jumps in if something happens to Karlsson or OEL, and that the last remaning d-men that will be included in the final roster, will actually be a more defensive type of d-men and will be part of the 6 that will actually be playing on regular shifts, while Kronwall be use as reserve.

I do not really think that, I think that kronwall will be logging fairly big minuts and will be playing with Karlsson.

 

[Tomas W]

Its not 100% sure that Klingberg that 7th D, there is a lot of other options.

Ekholm for instance, is having a great year and have played quite a lot for tre kronor.

Lindholm, Edler, Larsson...lots of capable options.

Whats could maybe speak for Klingberg is that everyone wants him on the team, maybe they pick him just to silence the media.

 

[Tomas W]

I think he means that Kronwall will be the 7th guy in reality in the end. The guy that jumps in if something happens to Karlsson or OEL, and that the last remaning d-men that will be included in the final roster, will actually be a more defensive type of d-men and will be part of the 6 that will actually be playing on regular shifts, while Kronwall be use as reserve.

I do not really think that, I think that kronwall will be logging fairly big minuts and will be playing with Karlsson.

I agree with you.

 

[ulvvf]

He's not better defensively than Stralman or Hjalmarsson and you NEED these types of guys on NA ice.

Considering the team makeup and the inclusion of Karlsson/OEL for offense there no argument for Klingberg over Hjalmarsson who's one of the best shutdown guys in the league.

I guess you havnt following Strålman career very much. But Strålman was before he moved to rangers consider to be a one-dimensional offensiv d-men, but succed as a shutdown d-men. A proof of that those offensive d-men are often much better defensivly than they get credit for. Defense players at this level are usually failed offensive players, so why hold defense against those that succed as offensive players? They are many times better defensivly than those that has the role of a defense player, because pretty much all the tools that they use offensivly they have use for even in the defense. Their hockey IQ, speed etc do not disapear when they play defense. People usually focus to much on mistakse, but forget that they have a more demanding role.

If you split Hedman and Strålman you could have Klingberg and still have defense type d-mens.
Hedman - Karlsson
Hjalmarsson - OEL
Lindholm - Klingberg

 

[EK47]

any chance adam larsson makes it? improved a ton recently, still only 23.

not his time yet?

Well, it's not very likely at all really, but he is a defensive-minded righty and Grönborg has shown a certain weakness for 'safe-guys'. But all the guys even remotely in contention for this spot are really good (except for Oduya, for some reason people in Sweden seem to think that he is somehow on the same level as the other d-men here)

 

[EK47]

Its not 100% sure that Klingberg that 7th D, there is a lot of other options.

Ekholm for instance, is having a great year and have played quite a lot for tre kronor.

Lindholm, Edler, Larsson...lots of capable options.

Whats could maybe speak for Klingberg is that everyone wants him on the team, maybe they pick him just to silence the media.

Really though all those guys are so good it doesn't matter that much I would suggest they take the player who meshes the best with the group and is the most adaptable.

 

[Seiza]

Its not 100% sure that Klingberg that 7th D, there is a lot of other options.

Ekholm for instance, is having a great year and have played quite a lot for tre kronor.

Lindholm, Edler, Larsson...lots of capable options.

Whats could maybe speak for Klingberg is that everyone wants him on the team, maybe they pick him just to silence the media.

It would not surprise me one bit if Grönborg selects Jonathan Ericsson, Johnny Oduya or even Staffan Kronwall as a 7th D-man. That would be so typically Swedish.

Kronwall is by no means a better fit on this team than Klingbergm, Lindholm, Larsson or Ekholm. In on old merits only.

Apart from Kronwall, I like this team. Backup goalies could be anyone among Markström, Lehner, Enroth or whoever. Lundqvist will most likely play all minutes of all games.

 

[EK47]

It would not surprise me one bit if Grönborg selects Jonathan Ericsson, Johnny Oduya or even Staffan Kronwall as a 7th D-man. That would be so typically Swedish.

Kronwall is by no means a better fit on this team than Klingbergm, Lindholm, Larsson or Ekholm. In on old merits only.

Apart from Kronwall, I like this team. Backup goalies could be anyone among Markström, Lehner, Enroth or whoever. Lundqvist will most likely play all minutes of all games.

Grönborg is a lot more north american in both player selection and coaching style he wont pick a "bra-kille" just because at least I don't think so.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Maybe a Swede could fill me in on why OEL gets an automatic pass onto the team for his offense, while Klingberg does not.

In his second NHL season, Klingberg's already hit a higher point total in one season than OEL has ever reached.

My only guess would be past experience; OEL's only a year older but this is already his sixth year with the Coyotes. Still, you'd think on-ice contributions would have helped Klingberg here.

Hopefully he still gets added later on.

 

[Sky04]

Maybe a Swede could fill me in on why OEL gets an automatic pass onto the team for his offense, while Klingberg does not.

In his second NHL season, Klingberg's already hit a higher point total in one season than OEL has ever reached.

My only guess would be past experience; OEL's only a year older but this is already his sixth year with the Coyotes. Still, you'd think on-ice contributions would have helped Klingberg here.

Hopefully he still gets added later on.

Geez it's not that hard, OEL has a lethal shot from the point and brings the goal scoring aspect from the blueline that no other swedish blueliner does.

 

[MrOT]

any chance adam larsson makes it? improved a ton recently, still only 23.

not his time yet?

Could´ve had him instead of Kronwall... But now the door is closed for that.
Klingberg´s got to have the last spot, but I´d rather see Larsson or Edler or Brodin or Lindholm or maybe even Ekholm over Kronwall right now.

 

[MrOT]

Its not 100% sure that Klingberg that 7th D, there is a lot of other options.

Ekholm for instance, is having a great year and have played quite a lot for tre kronor.

Lindholm, Edler, Larsson...lots of capable options.

Whats could maybe speak for Klingberg is that everyone wants him on the team, maybe they pick him just to silence the media.

We could hope so but I think not. It´s like the Swedish management every time it´s a best on best tournament thinks: "All publicity is good publicity". In Sotji the hockey world thought "Where the **** is Hedman??", now they will scream "Where the **** is Klingberg!!". It´s seems almost like a rule that the biggest breakout player from Sweden has to be left out of the roster.

 

[MrOT]

Geez it's not that hard, OEL has a lethal shot from the point and brings the goal scoring aspect from the blueline that no other swedish blueliner does.

Did you forget about Karlsson. Lethal shot and also scores a lot of goals usually, just not this season.

 

[kabidjan18]

No just no

Kronwall is Sweden's bae
Let's keep it that way

 

[EK47]

I think he means that Kronwall will be the 7th guy in reality in the end. The guy that jumps in if something happens to Karlsson or OEL, and that the last remaning d-men that will be included in the final roster, will actually be a more defensive type of d-men and will be part of the 6 that will actually be playing on regular shifts, while Kronwall be use as reserve.

I do not really think that, I think that kronwall will be logging fairly big minuts and will be playing with Karlsson.

I think that Kronwall might be playing a lot for the first period in the first game of the tournament, that's how long it will take management to realize that he doesn't cut it.

 

[VictorLustig]

I like it.

 

[Tomas W]

We could hope so but I think not. It´s like the Swedish management every time it´s a best on best tournament thinks: "All publicity is good publicity". In Sotji the hockey world thought "Where the **** is Hedman??", now they will scream "Where the **** is Klingberg!!". It´s seems almost like a rule that the biggest breakout player from Sweden has to be left out of the roster.

Do they really want to go down that road again? We'll see...

 

[Iceman]

I am not particularly upset by the Klingberg omission by any means. It's not a snub at all... We have offense from the back end in Karlsson and OEL. Hedman moves the puck really well too. I simply don't see the fit with Klingberg.

I always felt that Kronwall will get the "important vet" treatment so I'm not sure he would be first out for someone else either so I'm not sure why we should bother comparing Kronwall and Klingberg.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Swedes have too many defensemen to choose from someone is bound to be upset.

 

[Chimpradamus]

This isn't exactly Henrik Tallinder over Hedman at least. It's not Ronnie Sundin over Mattias Norström bad. It's not Hannula over Holmström or Hedström bad.

Sure, Kronwall is past his prime, but he's not having trouble remaining on a Buffalo squad that was one of the worst teams in the league. Nor is it Weinhandl glued to the Sedins' line to ruin their - and to some extent the teams' - entire tournament. The Swedish roster selection have seen some **** of epic proportions in the past and Kronwall over Klingberg raises questions, but isn't on the "YOU MUST BE JOKING YOU IGNORANT *beep*" scale.

Then again, I haven't watched Detroit playing that much for quite some time. Exactly how much over the hill is Kronwall nowadays? Can he still skate well, lay someone out once and then and play solid D?

 

[Eye of Ra]

Maybe a Swede could fill me in on why OEL gets an automatic pass onto the team for his offense, while Klingberg does not.

In his second NHL season, Klingberg's already hit a higher point total in one season than OEL has ever reached.

My only guess would be past experience; OEL's only a year older but this is already his sixth year with the Coyotes. Still, you'd think on-ice contributions would have helped Klingberg here.

Hopefully he still gets added later on.

OEL is better than Klingberg in the defence zon. And OEL is a physical player. He also have more experiance than Klingberg. Klingberg has better offence skills, but not that much.

It's not Hannula over Holmström or Hedström bad.

Hedström was not that good......Marcus Nilson should have made the team over Hannula.

 

[fredligh]

Grönborg is a lot more north american in both player selection and coaching style he wont pick a "bra-kille" just because at least I don't think so.

Isn't that what he just did in picking Kronwall?

 

[Elvs]

Maybe a Swede could fill me in on why OEL gets an automatic pass onto the team for his offense, while Klingberg does not.

In his second NHL season, Klingberg's already hit a higher point total in one season than OEL has ever reached.

My only guess would be past experience; OEL's only a year older but this is already his sixth year with the Coyotes. Still, you'd think on-ice contributions would have helped Klingberg here.

Hopefully he still gets added later on.

OEL has a much longer track record, and is viewed more as a 2-way type where Klingberg is seen as a offensive type. OEL also played the #1 role for Sweden is last years World Championship and was great, and had the most points by any player on team with 12 in 8 games. Klingberg put up a share amount of points too and a good +/-, but still struggled with turnovers and got a lot of critisism. They might as well take more time and see how he finishes this season.

 

[Nille1*]

Rickard Grönborg is doing the same mistakes he did as a WJC coach. He is trying to build a team of roleplayers instead of taking the best players. It has never paid off for him.

He is bound to fail at the World Cup also.

 

[IAGTTAYM]

Ekholm, Lindholm and Klingberg are all significantly better then Kronwall at this point. I'd also argue that Oduya is better in a shutdown/PK role.

Selecting Kronwall is nepotism in my book.