Phil McKraken
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Our forward crop is very weak.
Compared to who besides Canada? In terms of forwards Russia has more edge but worse depth and USA has pretty much the same edge/depth as we.
Our forward crop is very weak.
No, our forward-kropp is not weak. Actually it has never been better. Sedins still rule and Bäckström and Zetterberg will lead units with up and coming forwards. Rakell is a youth star who develops right now and Rask is a puck possesion guy with size and skill. Defense need some size.
I can agree that our forwards is not bad, it is actually pretty good, it just looks bad because we are so good on defensive.
I have no problems with your forward lineup, I would maybe not pick them at this point, but I do like Rakell, and he could very well make the team in the end. But overall it looks ok to me.
But I can not understand you defensive lineups? Grossman? I do not think you should pick a player just because they are big or play a certain role, class over role and let them adapt. But if you want big guys we have better then Grossman, lik, Hedman, Edler, Ericsson, Klefbom and even Larsson.
We have probably the best d-men in the world but if we start to cut one of the absolutly best like Klingberg for players like Grossman, we might not have it anymore. Klingberg should be a lock even if it would mean he plays as a forward, he is simple to good to not make the team at this point. We should be happy that we have many talent d-men and use that.
An I do think Hedman adds more to our team as a defensive d-men with his size, and Klingberg, Karlsson and OEL is all better offensivly.
Remember which pair did work and which did not work in the olympics, the pair that work in the whole tournament was who ever played with EK, the pair(s) that had it ups and downs was the pair where they had put roles over class. Lets not make that mistake again. Not having Klingberg in the team is maybe a even bigger mistake then not putting Hedman in the team last time.
Finals, 2-2. En man utvisad. Canada throws in Getzlaf, Perry, Crosby, Nash, Weber och Subban = 600 kg.
Sverige försvarar med Hagelin, Krüger, Klingberg and Hjalle = 346 kg.
Okay?
About everyone creating small players team when everyone knows that on the next level the best players are HUGE, except when it comes to czechs. They are all 5-11, 185 lbs. no exceptions.
Nyquist, Klingberg, Mickey, Krüger, Strålman, Mouse, Gremlin, Hagelin = small. I don't dare call Niklas Kronwall small. I want to be able to attend allmänhetens fria åkning (Kungsan eller medborgarplatsen, estocolmo) without having to look down and back beside my hip and behind my back. enström, rödin, möller.
Should you not judge them by how they play and not how many kilos they weigh?
Our "small" guys are already playing against big guys and doing so fine, or to say more then just fine.
Klingberg was almost as good last season and had a great WHC, and his skills really shows, it is not just the points itself. Can he drop? sure, anything can happens, but at this point he should be a lock as a key player for us. Klingberg is good defensivly, he really shines defensivly in the 3 vs 3 format.
Should you not judge them by how they play and not how many kilos they weigh?
Our "small" guys are already playing against big guys and doing so fine, or to say more then just fine.
Klingberg was almost as good last season and had a great WHC, and his skills really shows, it is not just the points itself. Can he drop? sure, anything can happens, but at this point he should be a lock as a key player for us. Klingberg is good defensivly, he really shines defensivly in the 3 vs 3 format.
He is good defensivly.
Word on the town (a few cities in the middle) is that Grönborg will use the olympic team from Sotji, plus Henrik Sedin minus Nyquist, because he's small.
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1. Erik Karlsson (D) Sweden 6 4 4 8 1.33 0 5
2. Henrik Zetterberg (C/LW) Sweden 1 1 0 1 1.00 0 2
3. Daniel Sedin (LW) Sweden 6 1 4 5 0.83 4 1
3. Henrik Sedin
4. Nicklas Bäckström (C) Sweden 5 0 4 4 0.80 0 3
6. Alexander Steen (LW) Sweden 6 1 3 4 0.67 4 -1
7. Patrik Berglund (C/W) Sweden 6 2 1 3 0.50 4 -1
8. Loui Eriksson (LW/RW) Sweden 6 2 1 3 0.50 0 0
9. Oliver Ekman Larsson (D) Sweden 6 0 3 3 0.50 2 4
10. Alexander Edler (D) Sweden 4 1 1 2 0.50 0 2
11. Carl Hagelin (LW) Sweden 6 2 0 2 0.33 0 1
12. Jimmie Ericsson (LW) Sweden 6 1 1 2 0.33 6 0
13. Niklas Kronwall (D) Sweden 6 0 2 2 0.33 4 -2
14. Marcus Johansson (LW/C) Sweden 5 0 1 1 0.20 4 1
15. Gabriel Landeskog (LW) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 4 1
16. Jonathan Ericsson (D) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 8 -4
17. Jakob Silfverberg (RW) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 2 1
18. Johnny Oduya (D) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 0 1
20. Marcus Krüger (C) Sweden 6 0 0 0 0.00 4 1
21. Gustav Nyquist (RW/LW) Sweden 6 0 0 0 0.00 0 1
22. Niklas Hjalmarsson (D) Sweden 6 0 0 0 0.00 0 0
1. Henrik Lundqvist Sweden 6 1.50 .943
...minus:
5. Daniel Alfredsson (RW) Sweden 6 2 2 4 0.67 2 0
19. Henrik Tallinder (D) Sweden 3 0 0 0 0.00 2 0
...which leaves these gentlemen OUTSIDE the team:
John Klingberg (D) Dallas Stars 27 5 22 27 1.00 14 10
Filip Forsberg (LW/RW) Nashville Predators 27 5 13 18 0.67 20 -1
Mika Zibanejad (C) Ottawa Senators 26 4 13 17 0.65 8 -2
Oscar Lindberg (C/LW) New York Rangers 28 10 7 17 0.61 16 7
Victor Rask (C) Carolina Hurricanes 27 8 8 16 0.59 14 -1
Carl Söderberg (C) Colorado Avalanche 27 4 12 16 0.59 10 -9
Victor Hedman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 27 2 12 14 0.52 18 7
Rickard Rakell (C/W) Anaheim Ducks 25 6 6 12 0.48 2 -1
Oscar Klefbom (D) Edmonton Oilers 28 4 8 12 0.43 6 -4
Mikael Backlund (C) Calgary Flames 26 3 6 9 0.35 2 -5
Mattias Ekholm (D) Nashville Predators 27 3 6 9 0.33 18 2
Anton Strålman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 28 2 7 9 0.32 8 6
Tobias Enström (D) Winnipeg Jets 28 1 8 9 0.32 22 10
Patric Hörnqvist (RW) Pittsburgh Penguins 26 4 4 8 0.31 14 -5
Elias Lindholm (C/RW) Carolina Hurricanes 27 3 5 8 0.30 6 -6
Hampus Lindholm (D) Anaheim Ducks 27 2 5 7 0.26 8 -5
Adam Larsson (D) New Jersey Devils 27 1 5 6 0.22 25 7
Jonas Brodin (D) Minnesota Wild 24 1 4 5 0.21 12 4
Nicklas Grossmann (D) Arizona Coyotes 20 3 1 4 0.20 4 3
52. Carl Gunnarsson (D) St. Louis Blues 27 1 3 4 0.15 12 6
Comments?
Word on the town (a few cities in the middle) is that Grönborg will use the olympic team from Sotji, plus Henrik Sedin minus Nyquist, because he's small.
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1. Erik Karlsson (D) Sweden 6 4 4 8 1.33 0 5
2. Henrik Zetterberg (C/LW) Sweden 1 1 0 1 1.00 0 2
3. Daniel Sedin (LW) Sweden 6 1 4 5 0.83 4 1
3. Henrik Sedin
4. Nicklas Bäckström (C) Sweden 5 0 4 4 0.80 0 3
6. Alexander Steen (LW) Sweden 6 1 3 4 0.67 4 -1
7. Patrik Berglund (C/W) Sweden 6 2 1 3 0.50 4 -1
8. Loui Eriksson (LW/RW) Sweden 6 2 1 3 0.50 0 0
9. Oliver Ekman Larsson (D) Sweden 6 0 3 3 0.50 2 4
10. Alexander Edler (D) Sweden 4 1 1 2 0.50 0 2
11. Carl Hagelin (LW) Sweden 6 2 0 2 0.33 0 1
12. Jimmie Ericsson (LW) Sweden 6 1 1 2 0.33 6 0
13. Niklas Kronwall (D) Sweden 6 0 2 2 0.33 4 -2
14. Marcus Johansson (LW/C) Sweden 5 0 1 1 0.20 4 1
15. Gabriel Landeskog (LW) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 4 1
16. Jonathan Ericsson (D) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 8 -4
17. Jakob Silfverberg (RW) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 2 1
18. Johnny Oduya (D) Sweden 6 0 1 1 0.17 0 1
20. Marcus Krüger (C) Sweden 6 0 0 0 0.00 4 1
21. Gustav Nyquist (RW/LW) Sweden 6 0 0 0 0.00 0 1
22. Niklas Hjalmarsson (D) Sweden 6 0 0 0 0.00 0 0
1. Henrik Lundqvist Sweden 6 1.50 .943
...minus:
5. Daniel Alfredsson (RW) Sweden 6 2 2 4 0.67 2 0
19. Henrik Tallinder (D) Sweden 3 0 0 0 0.00 2 0
...which leaves these gentlemen OUTSIDE the team:
John Klingberg (D) Dallas Stars 27 5 22 27 1.00 14 10
Filip Forsberg (LW/RW) Nashville Predators 27 5 13 18 0.67 20 -1
Mika Zibanejad (C) Ottawa Senators 26 4 13 17 0.65 8 -2
Oscar Lindberg (C/LW) New York Rangers 28 10 7 17 0.61 16 7
Victor Rask (C) Carolina Hurricanes 27 8 8 16 0.59 14 -1
Carl Söderberg (C) Colorado Avalanche 27 4 12 16 0.59 10 -9
Victor Hedman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 27 2 12 14 0.52 18 7
Rickard Rakell (C/W) Anaheim Ducks 25 6 6 12 0.48 2 -1
Oscar Klefbom (D) Edmonton Oilers 28 4 8 12 0.43 6 -4
Mikael Backlund (C) Calgary Flames 26 3 6 9 0.35 2 -5
Mattias Ekholm (D) Nashville Predators 27 3 6 9 0.33 18 2
Anton Strålman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 28 2 7 9 0.32 8 6
Tobias Enström (D) Winnipeg Jets 28 1 8 9 0.32 22 10
Patric Hörnqvist (RW) Pittsburgh Penguins 26 4 4 8 0.31 14 -5
Elias Lindholm (C/RW) Carolina Hurricanes 27 3 5 8 0.30 6 -6
Hampus Lindholm (D) Anaheim Ducks 27 2 5 7 0.26 8 -5
Adam Larsson (D) New Jersey Devils 27 1 5 6 0.22 25 7
Jonas Brodin (D) Minnesota Wild 24 1 4 5 0.21 12 4
Nicklas Grossmann (D) Arizona Coyotes 20 3 1 4 0.20 4 3
52. Carl Gunnarsson (D) St. Louis Blues 27 1 3 4 0.15 12 6
Comments?
Let's mix up some homemade PP-units:
1st PP
Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Bäckström - Klingberg
2nd PP
Zetterberg - Steen - Nyquist
Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson
That would be depressing. It was hardly acceptable as it was luckily that won't happen Grönborg and Mårts are really not all that similar.
Pure speculation. Do you really believe that Oduya, Jonathan Ericsson, Jimmie Ericsson, Berglund have any chances to be part of the team?
And no Forsberg, Hedman, Klingberg...
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You never see anyone mention Alex Edler. I wouldn't be particularly mad if he made the team.
You never see anyone mention Alex Edler. I wouldn't be particularly mad if he made the team.
Curious what you guys think the odds Brodin makes the team? His play has picked up considerably since the beginning of the season and the guy is just incredible in his own end and breaking the puck out of the zone. Such an unreal skater and once he learns to start jumping offensively more consistently...watch out.