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World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden Part II

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I'm high on this team.

I think you go 3-0 in group play and meet Canada in the finals. The real key for Tre Kronor is your D core. That D core is :amazed:. Your D men are vastly superior to the Finns. The Finns have a bright future and some amazing forwards coming up. But until at least 2022, I don't see the Finns beating Tre Kronor in best-on-best.

Swedens D is superior to everyone in their group: Finland, Russia, and the Young Guns. This is by a significant margin, I think they are tied for 1st with Canada as having the strongest D core. It's a 1A & 1B situation with Canada and Sweden on D right now.

I know many Swedish fans were disappointed with the WHC. Don't worry, true fans of international hockey know how good your country is. I'm seeing a Canada v Sweden final.
 
ulvvf said:
I agree that Karlsson is better than Bäckström, but can not make a argument for Bäckström as a top 10 center? Come on.

His scorings position among center the last 4 season.

7th
3th
6th
9th

And consider how much trust many on this boards are putting on team success it could be mention that he just won the president trophy as a first line center.

He also was swedens next best player after Karlsson in the olympics. He is absolutly a top 10 center, you can make a argument for him being a top 5 or even top 3 center in the world.
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By default if being first line centre on the President cup winning team deserves merit, then being the first line centre on the same team that lost in the 2nd round. . .again. . .deserves some criticism, but that's neither here nor there.

This season he was 20th in 5v5 pts among centres with 34 pts.

Last year he was 10th among centres with 40 pts.

13-14 he was 50th in the league among centres with 28pts.

12-13 he was 10th in the league among centres with 26 pts.

None of this screams de facto top 10 centre to me, and it sure doesn't scream top 3 or 5 :laugh: There's is literally no argument for him being a top 3 centre.

His offensive production is pretty heavily influenced by playing on a perennially strong PP with probably the best PP goal producer in the league. Again, there's lots of reasons Backstrom is a top centre in the league, but I'm not sure he's top 10.
 
slobbergob said:
By default if being first line centre on the President cup winning team deserves merit, then being the first line centre on the same team that lost in the 2nd round. . .again. . .deserves some criticism, but that's neither here nor there.

This season he was 20th in 5v5 pts among centres with 34 pts.

Last year he was 10th among centres with 40 pts.

13-14 he was 50th in the league among centres with 28pts.

12-13 he was 10th in the league among centres with 26 pts.

None of this screams de facto top 10 centre to me, and it sure doesn't scream top 3 or 5 :laugh: There's is literally no argument for him being a top 3 centre.

His offensive production is pretty heavily influenced by playing on a perennially strong PP with probably the best PP goal producer in the league. Again, there's lots of reasons Backstrom is a top centre in the league, but I'm not sure he's top 10.
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SC is small sample size, plus he was hardly the problem. The problem for caps in the playoff was that players like Kuznetsov disapeared, the first line produced and shut down the other teams stars. But the deph of the team was not there as it was during the regular season, and one line can not do it all. Bäckström won the fight against Crosby, but the team lost against Pitts. Pitts had 3 line that produced, Caps had 1.

Now you just cherry picking stats that you can use against him, points in PP counts as well and other top C play in PP as well, most of them with good linemates. He is not carried by Ovechkin at all. He would produce about the same points with or without him, it is pretty obvious if you would follow him. If you say that Backstrom is not a top 10 center, you just most have something personal against him, and I can get that, he is a quiet superstar, nothing flashy about him at all, but he probably have the highest hockey iq among all centers, and his numbers and results speaks for itself. Which 10 centers are better than him?
 
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ulvvf said:
SC is small sample size, plus he was hardly the problem. The problem for caps in the playoff was that players like Kuznetsov disapeared, the first line produced and shut down the other teams stars. But the deph of the team was not there as it was during the regular season, and one line can not do it all. Bäckström won the fight against Crosby, but the team lost against Pitts. Pitts had 3 line that produced, Caps had 1.

Now you just cherry picking stats that you can use against him, points in PP counts as well and other top C play in PP as well, most of them with good linemates. He is not carried by Ovechkin at all. He would produce about the same points with or without him, it is pretty obvious if you would follow him. If you say that Backstrom is not a top 10 center, you just most have something personal against him, and I can get that, he is a quiet superstar, nothing flashy about him at all, but he probably have the highest hockey iq among all centers, and his numbers and results speaks for itself. Which 10 centers are better than him?
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Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Seguin, Kopitar, Tavares, Bergeron, Giroux, Stamkos, Toews. Then there's arguments for other guys like Thornton. If you have him in your top 10 that's fine, all the power to you. I don't.

I don't have anything personal against him. I really only said anything at all because I couldn't believe someone would say he's better than Karlsson.
 
snipes said:
I'm high on this team.

I think you go 3-0 in group play and meet Canada in the finals. The real key for Tre Kronor is your D core. That D core is :amazed:. Your D men are vastly superior to the Finns. The Finns have a bright future and some amazing forwards coming up. But until at least 2022, I don't see the Finns beating Tre Kronor in best-on-best.

Swedens D is superior to everyone in their group: Finland, Russia, and the Young Guns. This is by a significant margin, I think they are tied for 1st with Canada as having the strongest D core. It's a 1A & 1B situation with Canada and Sweden on D right now.

I know many Swedish fans were disappointed with the WHC. Don't worry, true fans of international hockey know how good your country is. I'm seeing a Canada v Sweden final.
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Yes the defence is very good, the best ever for Sweden. I actually think this is the best team (if they show up) which Sweden ever had on paper. The team in Turin had a much better forward crop, but overall I think this might be the best.

When it comes to team play I would be surprised if Sweden did not get it going. We are good at making the sum bigger than the parts.
 
LiveeviL said:
Yes the defence is very good, the best ever for Sweden. I actually think this is the best team (if they show up) which Sweden ever had on paper. The team in Turin had a much better forward crop, but overall I think this might be the best.

When it comes to team play I would be surprised if Sweden did not get it going. We are good at making the sum bigger than the parts.
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I agree. This is on paper the strongest Team Sweden ever. It'll likely be a Canada v Sweden Gold.
 
There's generation gap among forwards. The old stars are over the hill and the future stars are not yet in their prime.

You're kidding yourselves if you think that Sweden will reach the final.
 
Cogsbreakaway said:
There's generation gap among forwards. The old stars are over the hill and the future stars are not yet in their prime.

You're kidding yourselves if you think that Sweden will reach the final.
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It is no sure-fire, but far from impossible. It will be a low scoring affair on both ends regarding the games the team play.
 
Swedens Forwards arent that much better than Finland's they are better maybe 1 tier higher level. Donskoi Filppula J.Jokinen Haula etc arent even much worse than Hörnqvist Hagelin Silferberg etc And Barkov Koivu Granlund arent too much behind Sedins and Bäckström and so on. But Difference between Finnish D and Swedish D is outrageous Finnish best D would be clearly weaker player than sweden's number 8 D...
 
moropanov said:
Swedens Forwards arent that much better than Finland's they are better maybe 1 tier higher level. Donskoi Filppula J.Jokinen Haula etc arent even much worse than Hörnqvist Hagelin Silferberg etc And Barkov Koivu Granlund arent too much behind Sedins and Bäckström and so on. But Difference between Finnish D and Swedish D is outrageous Finnish best D would be clearly weaker player than sweden's number 8 D...
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Finland has Määttä and Ristolainen though.
 
The lineup won't look as pretty, but I don't mind Hagelin playing on a scoring line on this team. A Zetterberg- Bäckström duo must have some serious jump on the remaining wing IMO.
 
moropanov said:
Swedens Forwards arent that much better than Finland's they are better maybe 1 tier higher level. Donskoi Filppula J.Jokinen Haula etc arent even much worse than Hörnqvist Hagelin Silferberg etc And Barkov Koivu Granlund arent too much behind Sedins and Bäckström and so on. But Difference between Finnish D and Swedish D is outrageous Finnish best D would be clearly weaker player than sweden's number 8 D...
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Sweden forward definitely better than the Finns.
 
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helax said:
They would not even be close to make the Swedish roster.
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I could see both over Kronwall. But on the other hand there are a number of Swedish D-men not on the roster I would see before Kronwall and Määttä/Ristolainen , e.g. Brodin and Klingberg.
 
LiveeviL said:
I could see both over Kronwall. But on the other hand there are a number of Swedish D-men not on the roster I would see before Kronwall and Määttä/Ristolainen , e.g. Brodin and Klingberg.
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Kronwall is not even close to make the Swedish roster :help:
 
canswetoxic said:
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Sweden forward definitely better than the Finns.
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Yeah,

Bäckström > Barkov
Zetterberg > Filppula
Forsberg > Laine
Landeskog > Donskoi
Steen > Lehtera
H. Sedin > Koivu
D. Sedin > Jokinen
Eriksson > Granlund
Hörnqvist > Terevainen
Hagelin > Komarov
Silfverberg > Aho
Söderberg > Korpikoski
Krüger > Haula
 
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slobbergob said:
Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Seguin, Kopitar, Tavares, Bergeron, Giroux, Stamkos, Toews. Then there's arguments for other guys like Thornton. If you have him in your top 10 that's fine, all the power to you. I don't.

I don't have anything personal against him. I really only said anything at all because I couldn't believe someone would say he's better than Karlsson.
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You say you do not have anything personal against him, but still you mention players like Toews and bergeron ahead of him? Come on, they are not even close. Stamkos was better a few years ago, but not today. Bäckström has better stats from the last seasons than most of those you mention, and I do notice that most of them are canadians. Btw, he also had better stats in olympics than all of the players you mention (among those that played)

In scoring among centers the last 4 seasons.

Bäckström
7th
3th
6th
9th


Compare to

Giroux
10
6
3
7

Stamkos
11
7
60
1

Getzlaf
12
12
2
5

Kopitar
5
17
10
15

Bergeron
9
27
19
28

Toews
26
14
12
8

Malkin
24
11
8
26

Statswise he is clearly ahead of most of them, the only one that really come close i Giroux, and do not come and bring up defense, because Bäckström is hardly weak defensivly. But still you almost laughs at the idea of him being mention togheter with this players, and you do not have anything personal against. Hmm.

He has stats that shows that he is a top 5 center. The only ones I say is clearly ahead of him, is Crosby and Sequin.
 
Bäckström had an underwhelming season, despite a fair amount of points.

Wasn't himself after the surgery. Weak on the puck etc..
 
ulvvf said:
You say you do not have anything personal against him, but still you mention players like Toews and bergeron ahead of him? Come on, they are not even close. Stamkos was better a few years ago, but not today. Bäckström has better stats from the last seasons than most of those you mention, and I do notice that most of them are canadians. Btw, he also had better stats in olympics than all of the players you mention (among those that played)

In scoring among centers the last 4 seasons.

Bäckström
7th
3th
6th
9th


Compare to

Giroux
10
6
3
7

Stamkos
11
7
60
1

Getzlaf
12
12
2
5

Kopitar
5
17
10
15

Bergeron
9
27
19
28

Toews
26
14
12
8

Malkin
24
11
8
26

Statswise he is clearly ahead of most of them, the only one that really come close i Giroux, and do not come and bring up defense, because Bäckström is hardly weak defensivly. But still you almost laughs at the idea of him being mention togheter with this players, and you do not have anything personal against. Hmm.

He has stats that shows that he is a top 5 center. The only ones I say is clearly ahead of him, is Crosby and Sequin.
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You busted out the raw, context-free pt totals. That's it, you win. Why settle at 5th or even 3rd? Sequin just came off a pretty serious injury. Far to assume he may not be the same player he was (like Karlsson), may as well push Backstrom up to 2nd.

Crosby? pfft. Glorified grinder. How many 60 goal scorers are a product of Crosby's passing? None. Ovi is a direct reflection on the generational passing ability of Backstrom, the GOAT.

Happy?
 
jfc64 said:
Bäckström is bigger! And we COULD do without Karlsson, but not Bäckström. They were even on THN Top 50 2014-15. Heck, Karlsson is even worse than Lundqvist! :)
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This is 2015-2016..
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