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World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden Part II

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True Hockey Fan said:
In my opinion you guys are underrating Kruger. I had him in my projected roster about half year ago, and you thought I was crazy, now he's on the team. He won't disappoint you.
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I did like Kruger last time at the Olympics and he was one of our better players in that GMG. We need all lines to be able to score though and that's not something Kruger is known for doing, perhaps if surrounded by some decent scorers? Him on the team means that we will be rolling a strictly defensive line which I don't like. Most of our forwards play the PK in the NHL so that further lowers Kruger's value on this team, even though he might be the best we have.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
In my opinion you guys are underrating Kruger. I had him in my projected roster about half year ago, and you thought I was crazy, now he's on the team. He won't disappoint you.
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Sadly I don't think we are, he has literally nothing to offer this team that we wouldn't be able to get from a superior player. Dissapointing me would be near impossible considering what my expectations for him at this tournament are
 
Sweden's forwards are probably tied with Canada when it comes to defensive prowess, but offensively they are tied with Finland for the worst in the world cup.

We need offensive contributors, not someone like Krüger who is as offensively gifted as Jeff Beukeboom was.
 
The defense group is fantastic, but the forwards, well, not great, and by that I mean above Czechia and maybe Finland but that's it. Light years behind Canada, and well behind Russia and USA.
 
Paxton Fettel said:
The defense group is fantastic, but the forwards, well, not great, and by that I mean above Czechia and maybe Finland but that's it. Light years behind Canada, and well behind Russia and USA.
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Come on...

Our forwards aren't well behind USA's, maybe slightly worse. Russia has a ton of point producing forwards and better forwards overall but the lack of two way game is a huge weakness, a problem you don't want in a tournament like this. The same goes for the U23 team and they lack experience as well. Canada is obviously in a league of their own.
 
Cogsbreakaway said:
Sweden's forwards are probably tied with Canada when it comes to defensive prowess, but offensively they are tied with Finland for the worst in the world cup.

We need offensive contributors, not someone like Krüger who is as offensively gifted as Jeff Beukeboom was.
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Linus Klasen!!

And Finland is good at worlds but:

- The have no true leader player with the possible exception of Barkov
- must rely on defensive play from the whole team
- have a bunch of younger players without experience
- Donskoi and Haula are surely good but it feels better with Söderberg and Steen.
 
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One way to look at the D-men

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Legend:
Horisontal: On-ice goal diff.
Vertical: Takeaways
Colour: Shot attempts
Size circle: Hits
 
My team would do better.


Rakell-Bäckström-Forsberg (leading line)

Steen-Berglund-Landeskog (going up against big lines)

Eriksson-Sedin-Sedin (exploit opposing 3/4th lines)

Hagelin-Zetterberg-Silfverberg (shut-down)

(Johansson/Zibanejad/Hörnqvist)


Lindholm-Karlsson

Strålman-Hedman

OEL-Hjalmarsson

Ekholm/Klingberg

Lundqvist
Lehner
Markström

PP1

Zetterberg-Bäckström-Forsberg

Steen-Karlsson

PP2

Eriksson-Sedin-Sedin

OEL-Karlsson (last 20 sec to Hedman)


PK1

Zetterberg-Hagelin

Strålman-Hedman


Berglund-Silfverberg

Hjalmarsson-OEL


PK3

Bäckström-Forsberg

Lindholm-Karlsson (Hjalmarsson/Hedman, depending on the game, shifts etc.)

Lindholm, Hjalmarsson & Hedman doubleshifted on the PK, especially 3 vs 5.
 
Switch line 1 and 2. If anything the Sedins can eat minutes with their cycle game, even more so of their task primarily is to eat minutes.

With that said, sadly we need to have this thinking with the lines, the forward crop is to weak to just roll the lines.

When it comes to choosing other D-men one can have a look at this. I do not say that the selection of stats are the most relevant, but it is at least something. D-men who have played at least half the reg. season. Stats is 5 vs 5 only which puts some players at a disadvantage (e.g. Edler & OEL, the latter our only frequent hitter too).

The 2015-2016 circle is Brodin which refused to get mapped correctly (at all) so he is put there by Photoshop (circle not in scale, more like Hedman). Same with Adam Larsson, his circle should be just left of Brodins. By these metrics both Strålman and Kronwall are dubious selections.

Oduya is high, a glitch in the matrix. It is more a matter of his pairing than that he deserves it by own credit.

But sure both Klinberg and Lindholm got a case, as does Brodin and Larsson too. First two is more offensive, the other two more defensive. I would vote against you and take the two latter players.

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MrOT said:
Does anyone remember Silfverberg from the Olympics? He was... And what did he do since then? Gustav Nyqvist says hello...
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Becoming an excellent two-way player? Scoring 20 goals on a team that barely scored at all in the 1st half of this season? 23 points in 23 games the last two playoffs?

Silfverberg deserved his spot on this team. He can provide good secondary scoring but will also kill penalties.
 
Silfverberg is also lethal in the shootouts, which at least is a minor +. The only big question mark is the choice of picking 6D in the prel. roster, and one of them being Kronwall which is tiers below the rest. Nyquist should also be on the roster instead of Söderberg. Söderberg is way to slow for this tournament.
 
fredligh said:
Silfverberg is also lethal in the shootouts, which at least is a minor +. The only big question mark is the choice of picking 6D in the prel. roster, and one of them being Kronwall which is tiers below the rest. Nyquist should also be on the roster instead of Söderberg. Söderberg is way to slow for this tournament.
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It's small ice which helps him it was either him or zibanejad as the #3 C and I prefer the more cerebral option which is söderberg
 
I really don't understand why some people question Söderberg on this team. He's CLEARLY the best center we have after Backström, Sedin & Zetterberg. He also brings the size we severely lack.
 
Huffman said:
I really don't understand why some people question Söderberg on this team. He's CLEARLY the best center we have after Backström, Sedin & Zetterberg. He also brings the size we severely lack.
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Yes but he is a naysayer. Other than that I have 0 problem with him on the team.
 
MrOT said:
Bäckström would make team Canada. Maybe the Sedins. Maybe, maybe, maybe Forsberg as #13 forward.
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None of the forwards make it. Backstrom is good, but he doesn't play wing and Canada is loaded down the middle. Sedins, Forsberg aren't better than Hall, Couture, Perry who all got left off.

Karlsson makes it, and Hedman too since he's LD. That's it.
 
50 in 07 said:
None of the forwards make it. Backstrom is good, but he doesn't play wing and Canada is loaded down the middle. Sedins, Forsberg aren't better than Hall, Couture, Perry who all got left off.

Karlsson makes it, and Hedman too since he's LD. That's it.
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People always forgets the goalies. For sure Lundqvist would be one of the 3 goalies.
 
This team is way too defensive. Change Kronwall (well he has no business in the roster anyway) with Klingberg and Silfverberg with Nyqvist and it looks much better. Maybe there´s an argument for Silver and Krüger in a gold medal game vs Canada, but Sweden needs to get there in the first place.


This is how it should have been:

Forsberg - Bäckström - Steen
Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson
Landeskog - Zetterberg - Nyqvist (snubbed)
Hagelin - Söderberg - Hörnqvist
Rakell (Snubbed)

Karlsson - Ekholm
Hedman - Strålman
OEL - Hjalmarsson
Klingberg (Snubbed)

Lundqvist
Don´t care
Don´t care

Kronwall: :huh:
Silvferberg: :shakehead
Krüger: :cry:
 
Ranking the Swedish players:

1. Karlsson
2. Hedman
3. Lundqvist
4. Bäckström
5. OEL
6. H. Sedin
7. Forsberg
8. Zetterberg
9. Steen
10. Landeskog
11. D. Sedin
12. Strålman
13. Hjalmarsson
14. Eriksson
15. Ekholm
16. Hörnqvist
17. Hagelin
18. Söderberg
19. Markström
20. Lehner

21. Krüger
22. Silfverberg
23. Kronwall
 
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MrOT said:
Ranking the Swedish players:

1. Karlsson
2. Hedman
3. Lundqvist
4. Bäckström
5. OEL
6. H. Sedin
7. Forsberg
8. Zetterberg
9. Steen
10. Landeskog
11. D. Sedin
12. Strålman
13. Hjalmarsson
14. Eriksson
15. Ekholm
16. Hörnqvist
17. Hagelin
18. Söderberg
19. Markström
20. Lehner

21. Krüger
22. Silfverberg
23. Kronwall
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1. Bäckström
2. Lundqvist
3. Karlsson
4. H. Sedin
5. D. Sedin
6. Hedman
7. OEL
8. Landeskog
9. Steen
10. Forsberg
11. Hjalmarsson
12. Strålman
13. Ekholm
14. Eriksson
15. Zetterberg
16. Söderberg
17. Silfverberg
18. Hörnqvist
19. Kronwall
20. Hagelin
21. Lehner
22. Markström
23. Krüger
 
jfc64 said:
1. Bäckström
2. Lundqvist
3. Karlsson
4. H. Sedin
5. D. Sedin
6. Hedman
7. OEL
8. Landeskog
9. Steen
10. Forsberg
11. Hjalmarsson
12. Strålman
13. Ekholm
14. Eriksson
15. Zetterberg
16. Söderberg
17. Silfverberg
18. Hörnqvist
19. Kronwall
20. Hagelin
21. Lehner
22. Markström
23. Krüger
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No way is Bäckström ahead of Karlsson.

Look at this: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2077507
 
MrOT said:
No way is Bäckström ahead of Karlsson.

Look at this: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2077507
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Bäckström is bigger! And we COULD do without Karlsson, but not Bäckström. They were even on THN Top 50 2014-15. Heck, Karlsson is even worse than Lundqvist! :)

PS. Bäckström makes more dough.

Small...minusey...drown in Malkins right glove...others can do what he does...skaaating over the blue line with the puck...overrated...Kronwall light...defense liability! re-do, do right. Think Lindholm instead!

Lindholm - Brodin
Hedman - Gunnarsson
Ekman - Hjalmarsson
 
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jfc64 said:
Bäckström is bigger! And we COULD do without Karlsson, but not Bäckström. They were even on THN Top 50 2014-15. Heck, Karlsson is even worse than Lundqvist! :)

PS. Bäckström makes more dough.

Small...minusey...drown in Malkins right glove...others can do what he does...skaaating over the blue line with the puck...overrated...Kronwall light...defense liability! re-do, do right. Think Lindholm instead!

Lindholm - Brodin
Hedman - Gunnarsson
Ekman - Hjalmarsson
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Karlsson has an argument for best defensemen in the world. Backstrom doesn't even have an argument for top 10 centre in the world. Honestly, Karlsson is the best Swedish player right now and the only one with an argument to be close is probably Hedman.
 
slobbergob said:
Karlsson has an argument for best defensemen in the world. Backstrom doesn't even have an argument for top 10 centre in the world. Honestly, Karlsson is the best Swedish player right now and the only one with an argument to be close is probably Hedman.
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I agree that Karlsson is better than Bäckström, but can not make a argument for Bäckström as a top 10 center? Come on.

His scorings position among center the last 4 season.

7th
3th
6th
9th

And consider how much trust many on this boards are putting on team success it could be mention that he just won the president trophy as a first line center.

He also was swedens next best player after Karlsson in the olympics. He is absolutly a top 10 center, you can make a argument for him being a top 5 or even top 3 center in the world.
 
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