World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden Part II

[ulvvf]

The team overall locks pretty awful (even if the game was far more even then the results shows), it will be as in olympics, it will have to be a few individuals that have to be at their best if we shall have any chance, and we better hope for many PP.

I almost long to when Lundqvist quit, because then the best of the day goalie will play. But hopefully he will step up, he hasnt been a living wall exactly so far.

If Kruger do not play, then I hope for Klingberg, we need more impact players. We absolutly do not need more mellanmjölk players.

The only positives is Karlsson and the sedins line. Those are always top level, Forsberg also shows some flashes here and there, but isnt very consistent. But most of the rest was not that good.

 

[Sorey*]

Swedish media calls this team best swe team ever. Not even close. 1996 world cup team was better

 

[Irishguy42]

The team as a whole wasn't good last night.

 

[Jeppe950]

I might remember last nights game quite wrong, but the only players I would give any + about yesterday was the Sedin line, Karlsson and Hedman.

 

[xxreact9]

No one feels bad for you getting blown out by a weak team... when you have Hampus Lindholm sitting on the bench.

 

[Nordic*]

I might remember last nights game quite wrong, but the only players I would give any + about yesterday was the Sedin line, Karlsson and Hedman.

Add Eriksson and I agree.


Our forwards are simply too slow and unskilled.

How many hits did they dish out over these three periods? 2? 3?

Virtually the whole team was always one step behind, missing simple passes, getting caught flat-footed, letting average forwards skate past them etc.

I thought Sweden looked mediocer against the Finns, even though they were clearly better in both games, but this was just pathetic.

Lundqvist needs to sit, his save percentage over the last 4 game's he's played, is roughly 77%...

 

[thepoeticgoblin]

So two off games for Hank (and the first one is arguable) and we are going to... Who? Enroth was awful in his stint and even though I love Markström he's not better than Hank (yet )

 

[Phil McKraken]

Our forwards are simply too slow and unskilled.

I doubt this was the reason for last night's loss. It's a statistical fact that Team Sweden > Team Europe in every way while also having a ton more experience together as a team. The only explanation is that they looked at the EU roster and their two games against the young guns and decided to take the night off, hoping to coast to a win or at least to a close loss. Of course they would never admit it but that's the reason.

Having said that I'm worried about the Forsberg/Bäckström line, they've been invisible for three straight games barring literally two or three situations in game 2.

 

[VictorLustig]

Just finished watching the game. Thought it looked a lot worse last night when I watched it, Sweden really carried the play even though most players didn't reach their normal level. Karlsson is fantastic, best player on the ice.

Really hope Silfverberg gets to play with Bäckström, his skating has improved a lot and he's been very strong on the puck in these games.

 

[Nordic*]

I doubt this was the reason for last night's loss. It's a statistical fact that Team Sweden > Team Europe in every way while also having a ton more experience together as a team. The only explanation is that they looked at the EU roster and their two games against the young guns and decided to take the night off, hoping to coast to a win or at least to a close loss. Of course they would never admit it but that's the reason.

Having said that I'm worried about the Forsberg/Bäckström line, they've been invisible for three straight games barring literally two or three situations in game 2.

Yes, but Europe is still viewed as the worst team here, so getting blown out by them really shows how bad this team is setup.

Our whole bottom-6 is filled with unskilled defensive players - which means they won't contribute anything offensively, aside from when Karlsson is on the ice and creates some magic by himself.

And when the second line doesn't work, that only leaves the Sedin-line for other teams to shut down/focus on.

Backlund isn't good enough to fill the spot of center on the shutdown-line either. Doesn't have the tenacity, intensity, speed, smarts or physicality to fill that role.

Team Sweden's forwards are also arguably the slowest in WC. If we can't even hang with team Europe's guys, how the heck are we supposed to be able to handle U-23 or Russia?

I'm not even including Canada or USA, since I don't believe we'll make it out of the group stage.

Our old stars are over the hill and our young stars have yet to reach their prime, this while Lundqvist looks horrible.

Zetterberg might not be his old self offensively, but his ability to read plays, carry the puck and go up against the superstars of the other team, is something we're sorely missing. Same with Steen. He has both energy, skill and leadership. Rakell was probably the most skilled player on the team.

Like I have said before, I would've loved to see Arvidsson on this team. Watched a lot of his games with Nashville last season and he had a crazy development just during that season. He's like a ball of hate flying around - and also has skill and guts. Probably on par with Hagelin when it comes to speed - but can use it bettter offensively.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I guess it's a little too soon for Willy Nylander to make the men's team, but after watching the last game I do think Swden could have used his creativity and offensive spark.

 

[VictorLustig]

Yes, but Europe is still viewed as the worst team here, so getting blown out by them really shows how bad this team is setup.

Our whole bottom-6 is filled with unskilled defensive players - which means they won't contribute anything offensively, aside from when Karlsson is on the ice and creates some magic by himself.

And when the second line doesn't work, that only leaves the Sedin-line for other teams to shut down/focus on.

Backlund isn't good enough to fill the spot of center on the shutdown-line either. Doesn't have the tenacity, intensity, speed, smarts or physicality to fill that role.

Team Sweden's forwards are also arguably the slowest in WC. If we can't even hang with team Europe's guys, how the heck are we supposed to be able to handle U-23 or Russia?

I'm not even including Canada or USA, since I don't believe we'll make it out of the group stage.

Our old stars are over the hill and our young stars have yet to reach their prime, this while Lundqvist looks horrible.

Zetterberg might not be his old self offensively, but his ability to read plays, carry the puck and go up against the superstars of the other team, is something we're sorely missing. Same with Steen. He has both energy, skill and leadership. Rakell was probably the most skilled player on the team.

Like I have said before, I would've loved to see Arvidsson on this team. Watched a lot of his games with Nashville last season and he had a crazy development just during that season. He's like a ball of hate flying around - and also has skill and guts. Probably on par with Hagelin when it comes to speed - but can use it bettter offensively.

Arvidsson would pushed around too much, and he certainly doesn't have the speed of Hagelin.

Sweden carried the play against Europe and our forwards created more chances than theirs. We only have one line that can create sustained presure though, that could be a problem against the better teams.

 

[jfc64]

Swedish media calls this team best swe team ever. Not even close. 1996 world cup team was better

Interresting point! Top forwards might have been a little better. But the bottom six-eight were half AHL and SEL calibre guys. Defense might be better on paper today but was probably working real fine in 96.


NHL: 1995-96

Peter Forsberg (C) Colorado Avalanche 82 30 86 116 1.41 47 26 > Nicklas Bäckström
Tomas Sandström (RW) Pittsburgh Penguins 58 35 35 70 1.21 69 4 = Alexander Steen
Mats Sundin (C) Toronto Maple Leafs 76 33 50 83 1.09 46 8 > Henrik Sedin
Mikael Renberg (RW) Philadelphia Flyers 51 23 20 43 0.84 45 8 = Henrik Zetterberg
Michael Nylander (C) Calgary Flames 73 17 38 55 0.75 20 0 = Carl Söderberg
Daniel Alfredsson (RW) Ottawa Senators 82 26 35 61 0.74 28 -18 = Loui Eriksson
Markus Näslund (LW) Vancouver Canucks 76 22 33 55 0.72 42 20 = Daniel Sedin
Andreas Johansson (LW) New York Islanders 3 1 1 2 0.67 0 1 = Patrik Berglund
Johan Garpenlöv (RW) Florida Panthers 82 23 28 51 0.62 36 -10 < Filip Forsberg
Niklas Andersson (LW) New York Islanders 48 14 12 26 0.54 12 -3 = Patric Hörnqvist
Ulf Dahlén (RW) San Jose Sharks 59 16 12 28 0.47 27 -21= Gabriel Landeskog
Patrik Juhlin (RW) Philadelphia Flyers 14 3 3 6 0.43 17 4 < Jacob Silfverberg
Nicklas Lidström (D) Detroit Red Wings 81 17 50 67 0.83 20 29 = Erik Karlsson
Marcus Ragnarsson (D) San Jose Sharks 71 8 31 39 0.55 42 -24
Kenny Jönsson (D) 66 4 26 30 0.45 32 7 = Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Calle Johansson (D) Washington Capitals 78 10 25 35 0.45 50 13 < Victor Hedman
Fredrik Olausson (D)Mighty Ducks of Anaheim 56 2 22 24 0.43 38 -7
Magnus Svensson (D) Florida Panthers 27 2 9 11 0.41 21 -1
Leif Rohlin (D) Vancouver Canucks 56 6 16 22 0.39 32 0 < Niklas Hjalmarsson
Christer Olsson (D) St. Louis Blues 26 2 8 10 0.38 14 -6
Mikael Andersson (W/C) Tampa Bay Lightning 64 8 11 19 0.30 2 0 < Mikael Backlund
Ulf Samuelsson (D) New York Rangers 74 1 18 19 0.26 122 9
Niklas Sundström (C) New York Rangers 82 9 12 21 0.26 14 2 = Marcus Krüger
Tommy Albelin (D) Calgary Flames 73 1 13 14 0.19 18 1 = Anton Strålman
Peter Popovic (D) Montréal Canadiens 79 2 12 14 0.18 69 21 < Hampus Lindholm
Mattias Norström (D) Los Angeles Kings 36 2 2 4 0.11 40 -3 = Mattias Ekholm

Tommy Söderström New York Islanders 51 3.87 .878 < Henrik Lundqqvist
Tommy Salo New York Islanders 10 4.02 .860 > Jacob Markström

Jonas Bergqvist (RW) Leksands IF 37 16 14 30 0.81 28 look like helicopter guy in Mad Max
Fredrik Nilsson (C) Kansas City Blades IHL 66 17 39 56 30 +4 < Carl Hagelin
Roger Johansson (D) Färjestad BK SHL 34 3 5 8 4 +6


----------------------------- 20 years later ----------------------------


Erik Karlsson (D) Ottawa Senators 82 16 66 82 1.00 50 -2
Nicklas Bäckström (C) Washington Capitals 75 20 50 70 0.93 36 17
Loui Eriksson (RW/LW) Boston Bruins 80 30 33 63 0.79 12 13
Filip Forsberg (LW/RW) Nashville Predators 82 33 31 64 0.78 47 1
Alexander Steen (LW) St. Louis Blues 67 17 35 52 0.78 48 3
John Klingberg (D) Dallas Stars 76 10 48 58 0.76 30 22
Daniel Sedin (LW) Vancouver Canucks 82 28 33 61 0.74 36 7
Henrik Sedin (C) Vancouver Canucks 74 11 44 55 0.74 24 0
Oliver Ekman Larsson (D) Arizona Coyotes 75 21 34 55 0.73 96 -6
Gabriel Landeskog (LW) Colorado Avalanche 75 20 33 53 0.71 69 -5
Mika Zibanejad (C) Ottawa Senators 81 21 30 51 0.63 18 -2
Patric Hörnqvist (RW) Pittsburgh Penguins 82 22 29 51 0.62 36 15
Carl Söderberg (C/LW) Colorado Avalanche 82 12 39 51 0.62 32 -7
Marcus Johansson (LW/C) Washington Capitals 74 17 29 46 0.62 16 12
Henrik Zetterberg (C) Detroit Red Wings 82 13 37 50 0.61 24 -15
Victor Hedman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 78 10 37 47 0.60 46 21
Victor Rask (C) Carolina Hurricanes 80 21 27 48 0.60 24 -6
Rickard Rakell (C/W) Anaheim Ducks 72 20 23 43 0.60 19 -1
William Nylander (C/W) Toronto Maple Leafs 22 6 7 13 0.59 4 1
Alexander Wennberg (C/W) Columbus Blue Jackets 69 8 32 40 0.58 2 -1
Mikael Backlund (C) Calgary Flames 82 21 26 47 0.57 28 10
Gustav Nyquist (RW/LW) Detroit Red Wings 82 17 26 43 0.52 34 -2
Carl Hagelin (LW) Pittsburgh Penguins 80 14 25 39 0.49 32 8
André Burakovsky (W/C) Washington Capitals 79 17 21 38 0.48 12 4
Jakob Silfverberg (RW) Anaheim Ducks 82 20 19 39 0.48 32 8
Elias Lindholm (C/RW) Carolina Hurricanes 82 11 28 39 0.48 24 -23
Anton Strålman (D) Tampa Bay Lightning 73 9 25 34 0.47 20 16
Mattias Ekholm (D) Nashville Predators 82 8 27 35 0.43 44 14
Niklas Kronwall (D) Detroit Red Wings 64 3 23 26 0.41 30 -21
Oscar Klefbom (D) Edmonton Oilers 30 4 8 12 0.40 6 -4
Alexander Edler (D) Vancouver Canucks 52 6 14 20 0.38 46 -8
Patrik Berglund (C/W) St. Louis Blues 42 10 5 15 0.36 16 1
Hampus Lindholm (D) Anaheim Ducks 80 10 18 28 0.35 40 7
Niklas Hjalmarsson (D) Chicago Blackhawks 82 2 22 24 0.29 32 13
Johnny Oduya (D) Dallas Stars 82 4 17 21 0.26 26 8
Tobias Enström (D) Winnipeg Jets 72 2 14 16 0.22 44 8
Adam Larsson (D) New Jersey Devils 82 3 15 18 0.22 77 15
Jonathan Ericsson (D) Detroit Red Wings 71 3 12 15 0.21 56 2
Carl Gunnarsson (D) St. Louis Blues 72 3 6 9 0.13 31 7
Nicklas Grossmann (D) Arizona Coyotes 58 3 4 7 0.12 24 -3
Jonas Brodin (D) Minnesota Wild 68 2 5 7 0.10 18 -5
Marcus Krüger (C) Chicago Blackhawks 41 0 4 4 0.10 24 -5

Jhonas Enroth Los Angeles Kings 16 2.17 .922
Henrik Lundqvist New York Rangers 65 2.48 .920
Jacob Markström Vancouver Canucks 33 2.73 .915

 

[Nordic*]

Out of the guys we currently have, only one line is working, so we have to make some changes.

Eriksson-Sedin-Sedin

Forsberg-Bäckström-Silfverberg

Landeskog-Söderberg-Hörnquist

Hagelin-Backlund-Berglund

Lindholm-Karlsson

Hedman-Strålman

OEL-Hjalmarsson​

 

[jfc64]

I guess it's a little too soon for Willy Nylander to make the men's team, but after watching the last game I do think Swden could have used his creativity and offensive spark.

C'mon! He might start with the MARLIES for god's sake!

 

[Sorey*]

C'mon! He might start with the MARLIES for god's sake!

Nylander would be our most creative forward

 

[jfc64]

Nylander would be our most creative forward

A perfect throw in when we meet U23!

 

[jfc64]

Out of the guys we currently have, only one line is working, so we have to make some changes.

Eriksson-Sedin-Sedin

Forsberg-Bäckström-Silfverberg

Landeskog-Söderberg-Hörnquist

Hagelin-Backlund-Berglund

Lindholm-Karlsson

Hedman-Strålman

OEL-Hjalmarsson​

We owned half of Finland a few days ago.

 

[jfc64]

I guess it's a little too soon for Willy Nylander to make the men's team, but after watching the last game I do think Swden could have used his creativity and offensive spark.

We will beat the opposition when it comes to playing 3 against 3...

 

[joe89]

I'm not sure why they've been so rigid with Hörnqvist-Bäckström-Forsberg being a line but if they're not starting to show something possession-wise next game it has to be given a shakeup.

Agree about Silfverberg probably being a decent fit to move up a line or two, but I could also see Hagelin working as the 3rd wheel on a line with Bäckis and Foppa. Or perhaps try Forsberg with Landeskog and Söderberg. It's not really about who plays where at this point, you just have to get more lines going.

Defense failed last game because they felt obliged to get the offense going, and with Lundqvist off it ended up a nightmare basically getting punished for every mistake. There are definitely question marks heading into the first game, but most of them are not on the back end.

 

[matsqq]

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[TheDoldrums]

C'mon! He might start with the MARLIES for god's sake!

There's no chance of that. Babcock has repeatedly said he's on a line with Matthews to start the year.

 

[EK47]

There's no chance of that. Babcock has repeatedly said he's on a line with Matthews to start the year.

Oh great so he's a winger. That's dissappointing

 

[Nordic*]

We owned half of Finland a few days ago.

Not sure what this means. Do you mean that we won 50% of the games against Finland, who on paper has the worst team in the World cup?

 

[Dris]

Not sure what this means. Do you mean that we won 50% of the games against Finland, who on paper has the worst team in the World cup?

This