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illone84 said:
Millions of Canadian fans would hear that the second lowest ranked team on paper took the tournie!
It would be great exposure and marketing for Finland.
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If Finland happened to win this, most of those people would be looking for excuses to discredit the event.

And this time, a good one is offered for them on a silver platter. People would say, "gimmick tourney, no one took it seriously", and go about their lives.


And it would be hard to argue against it, because that's what this is.
 
FiLe said:
If Finland happened to win this, most of those people would be looking for excuses to discredit the event.

And this time, a good one is offered for them on a silver platter. People would say, "gimmick tourney, no one took it seriously", and go about their lives.


And it would be hard to argue against it, because that's what this is.
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If Canada doesn't win it period, many Canadians will definitely discredit the event.
I agree, if Finland wins, this tournament will be considered a joke lol.

But in all honesty, I strongly believe that if Finland wins, there will be massive celebrations nation-wide in Finland.
 
illone84 said:
But in all honesty, I strongly believe that if Finland wins, there will be massive celebrations nation-wide in Finland.
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If Finland's final opponent is a legit NT, then some folks might party.

For me, it'd still be sad - because the thing is still a joke. Those folks would simply be purposefully ignoring the punchline because it gives them an excuse to party.
 
illone84 said:
Either way, I'm excited to watch hockey.
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By all means.


I must say though, I can't do that either. Because this thing's success may directly tie to the NHLers' future participation in the Olympics.

So, if they some time after the World Cup is done announce that they won't break for the Olympics anymore - a move they've telegraphed for a while now - and cite the World Cup's success as one of the reasons... no one who watched this has absolutely no grounds to complain about that decision.
 
This is true best of best. If you take off youngsters and europe and add slovakia and switzerland, the level of players would go down. I would prefer just national teams for sure but to not count this as best on best...smh

We already have olympics and wc, it doesn't bother me to have one different tournament once in a while
 
MMANumminen said:
This is true best of best. If you take off youngsters and europe and add slovakia and switzerland, the level of players would go down. I would prefer just national teams for sure but to not count this as best on best...smh
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It's not best-on-best. It's Spengler Cup on steroids.

Of course, that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable to those who tune in and watch.

MMANumminen said:
We already have olympics and wc, it doesn't bother me to have one different tournament once in a while
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If we keep having the best-on-best Olympics, then this does not detract from the existing hockey landscape in any way. If.
 
FiLe said:
So, if they some time after the World Cup is done announce that they won't break for the Olympics anymore - a move they've telegraphed for a while now - and cite the World Cup's success as one of the reasons... no one who watched this has absolutely no grounds to complain about that decision.
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Exactly. No crying if you happily played a part in making it happen.
 
FiLe said:
If Finland happened to win this, most of those people would be looking for excuses to discredit the event.

And this time, a good one is offered for them on a silver platter. People would say, "gimmick tourney, no one took it seriously", and go about their lives.

And it would be hard to argue against it, because that's what this is.
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If you really believe this than you don't understand Canadians at all. This tournament has an asterix next to it because of the gimmick team no matter who wins. Canada is the best hockey nation at this point and this will be true no matter who wins - if the tournament were to be replayed, Canada would still be the favorite as they are right now. That said, if Finland wins, it would be a huge accomplishment, definitely worthy of a celebration and I for one will be happy for them and congragulate them on their victory. You may not understand this but this is the Canadian way.

Good luck to Finland, if you win, you deserve it, period.
 
I will never understand this. You finnish team with the best players is trying hard to win something, and actually wins, against countries/teams that are actually the best they can be, and that are also trying very hard. Means nothing at all. Got ya.

(Waiting for the response, BUT THE USA IS MISSING TWO DAMN PLAYERS, THEY HAVE ONLY 96% OF THEIR BEST TEAM, A WIN AGAINST SUCH A DEVASTATED TEAM MEANS NOTHING, A WIN AGAINST THE BEST U24 PLAYERS IN NORTH AMERICA MEANS NOTHING, BECAUSE I SAID SO! I COULDN'T CARE LESS NO MATTER IF ALL PLAYERS PLAY ON THE EDGE OF GETTING INJURED, IT DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE I SAID SO!)
 
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MMANumminen said:
It is best on best. You are wrong FiLe. I can do this forever
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In that case, I'll give you a simple binary logic puzzle to solve. Good luck.


Is the NHL (yes, the league) a "best-on-best" hockey tournament? YES or NO?

Now that you've answered this, let's move on...

1. Finland vs. Sweden (both with all their best players available). Is this a game in a best-on-best event?
-YES it is: It's a matchup between two nations with their best players.
-NO it isn't: Well... no, it really is.

2. Finland vs. Team Europe. Is this a game in a best-on-best event?
-YES it is: It still features teams that both have top players in it.
-NO it isn't: Both teams are not national teams.

3. Team Europe vs. Team North America. Is this a game in a best-on-best event?
-YES it is: It still features teams that both have top players in it.
-NO it isn't: Both teams are not national teams.

4. Team Europe vs. Pittsburgh Penguins. Is this a game in a best-on-best event?
-YES it is: It still features teams that both have top players in it.
-NO it isn't: Both teams are not national teams.

5. Pittsburgh Penguins vs. San Jose Sharks. Is this a game in a best-on-best event?
-YES it is: It still features teams that both have top players in it.
-NO it isn't: Both teams are not national teams.

6. Finland vs. Pittsburgh Penguins. Is this a game in a best-on-best event?
-YES it is: It still features teams that both have top players in it.
-NO it isn't: Both teams are not national teams.


If you answer "YES" to question 2, you can't answer "NO" to any of the questions 3-6. Similarly, if you answer "NO" to question 2, you can't answer "YES" to questions 3-6.

Ergo if the World Cup is best on best, the NHL is too. But if the NHL is not best on best, then the World Cup is not either.
 
Except that there is no official definition for "best-on-best", FiLe. It's the same discussion I and majority of people had in the thread about what #1D means in the NHL. Some were trying really hard to convince everyone that there actually is a literal definition for being an NHL #1 d-man, and that any other isn't correct.

There is no "official and the only" definition for what "best-on-best" means. If there is, give me a link, but oviously there isn't. It's just a matter of opinion. Best-on-best isn't one strict term that is used just in one strickt meaning. If you think it is, you are proving my point - you are voicing your own opinion.
 
There has never been a tournament where the average player is as good as this one.

Clearly that is best-on-best.

The two "special" teams have their pros and cons but they are still better than any other national team.

I belive north americans will cheer for young stars and europeans will cheer for team europe kind of in the same way as a finnish soccer fan for example cheered for Ajax during the Litmanen era.

Which ever team wins, people will cheer and can rightly claim their team won a best-on-best, hopefully it will be a national team.
 
Booster said:
There has never been a tournament where the average player is as good as this one.

Clearly that is best-on-best.

The two "special" teams have their pros and cons but they are still better than any other national team.

I belive north americans will cheer for young stars and europeans will cheer for team europe kind of in the same way as a finnish soccer fan for example cheered for Ajax during the Litmanen era.

Which ever team wins, people will cheer and can rightly claim their team won a best-on-best, hopefully it will be a national team.
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I'm stoked about this tournie, but I'm still really hoping that 2018 Olympic hockey with NHL players will happen.
 
Finland hasn't had this good team in 10 years. The thought of seeing Määttä, Ristolainen, Vatanen, Barkov, Koivu, Filppula, Jokinen, Laine, Donskoi, Granlund in the same tournament is exciting.
 
In one aspect this 2016 World Cup is brilliant and perhaps even ahead of the time we live in: it challenges the recent-sprung idea of nationalism.

Why couldn't World Cup highlight the eight best ice hockey development cultures in the world going forward. Perhaps the next World Cup will have Switzerland and Quebec...

From Finland's perspective this team has the best players and the best head coach usable for this tournament, to showcase the winning foundations of ice hockey in Finland. I doubt these kind of games are without a meaning or victory for them.
 
Leijonat Inside documentary given strong signal Koivu, Barkov, Filppula and Haula will be the centers... Lehterä will be put on wing
 
These instances say it is best on best:
Hockey News
Nhl.com
Espn.com

These say it is not:
Random posters on internet forum

I value olympics much higher than this tournament, also WHC even the skill level is lower. I don't think that if Finland wins this there will be thousands of people on the streets. Still it is best on best and you can't do anything about it. If the teams are in good form because it is before the actual season that is another thing
 
Anyways,

So is Aho going to be centering Laine or what are you guys thinking? Aho at centre or wing?
 
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Even if Korpedo sucked last year, we don't know the details - we don't know if he complained about bad role asked to play, no chemistry, coach who ticked him off *shrug*
Lehtinen, Marjamäki and Kekäläinen figured he'd be up to the job. Who else's opinion would you have wanted there?

The way I see it, with no contract, he's going to be busting his ass to play well and get a deal somewhere. Limited risk, potential for good reward.
Besides, when was the last time our 4th line lost it for us?

+ best-on-best players (feel sorry for Slovakia and Germany and whatnot, but they would finish 7 & 8 anyways)
- gimmick teams
- home ice advantage

If Czech Republic for example won their log, then Canada should fly over to Prague for the sudden death games.
Now there's the stupid chance of a Finland-Sweden final in Toronto.

I think they should rename it the NHL Cup of Hockey..
 
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Stop the off topic comments.

If you are not a fan of Team Finland and you aren't here to add sincere praise or commentary you probably don't belong in this thread.
 
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