World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Czech Republic

[Rexor]

This is such a slap to Vůjtek's face.

 

[tade]

This is such a slap to Vůjtek's face.

I think he expected it.

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I am ok with Jandac, don't really care about who will coach our pathetic roster, at least compared to rosters of other countries.

What's your guess on first 16 players who will be nominated before the 1st March?

G: Mrazek, Neuvirth, Pavelec (Salak)

D: Gudas, Michalek, Polak, Zidlicky

F: Krejci, Plekanec, Voracek, Palat, Hanzal, Pastrnak, Frolik, Hudler, Hertl

I think they will firstly nominate only players from NHL and then they will decide the rest and consider players from KHL rather than nominate them so early.

God, I hope that Pastrnak will make this team. I am afraid that something stupid is going to happen but Hadamczik is not here anymore, so...

 

[Swipes]

I think he expected it.

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I am ok with Jandac, don't really care about who will coach our pathetic roster, at least compared to rosters of other countries.

What's your guess on first 16 players who will be nominated before the 1st March?

G: Mrazek, Neuvirth, Pavelec (Salak)

D: Gudas, Michalek, Polak, Zidlicky

F: Krejci, Plekanec, Voracek, Palat, Hanzal, Pastrnak, Frolik, Hudler, Hertl

I think they will firstly nominate only players from NHL and then they will decide the rest and consider players from KHL rather than nominate them so early.

God, I hope that Pastrnak will make this team. I am afraid that something stupid is going to happen but Hadamczik is not here anymore, so...

Looks good to me. Isn't Zidlicky a little too old? Plus he seems to be playing sporadically. I don't want Salak anywhere near this team-he's dreadful.

I'm not sure KHL players are allowed are they?

 

[Rexor]

The team won't be great but we should have a very good goaltending, a weak defense and a deep offense. Sounds like a poor man's Russia. I just hope there will be no politics this time around and someone won't try to make a point by calling up European based players just for the sake of it. We'll have no other choice when it comes to defense though.

I think he expected it.

He probably expected it but he was also hoping for a different outcome.

I'm not sure KHL players are allowed are they?

I don't know why they wouldn't be. They were the last time around (in 2004). And nhl.com has a KHL defenseman in a projected Finnish roster.

 

[tade]

Looks good to me. Isn't Zidlicky a little too old? Plus he seems to be playing sporadically. I don't want Salak anywhere near this team-he's dreadful.

I'm not sure KHL players are allowed are they?

Agreed. Mrazek, Neuvirth, Pavelec is just fine.

He is... but who else do we have? Solid veteran for PP minutes will be good for this tournament.

I am pretty sure that they will be allowed, otherwise it would be really stupid.

 

[tade]

Vujtek has said in interview that they already agreed with Jandac on 14 out of 16 required players for World Cup.

 

[Wooren]

Imo it would be better to ice young players so they experience this level of hockey, so they are more ready for OG. If we ice players like Zidlicky or Elias we aren't going to win anyway so why not? I will really rather see someone like Mozik or Zamorsky there instead of Zidlicky or Rozsival (Though Rozsival shouldn't even be considered, unlike Zidlicky)

 

[Rexor]

^^This is a best-on-best tournament and we're playing Canada and the U.S. in the group stage. I'd prefer to keep these losses in single digits.

 

[Swipes]

Imo it would be better to ice young players so they experience this level of hockey, so they are more ready for OG. If we ice players like Zidlicky or Elias we aren't going to win anyway so why not? I will really rather see someone like Mozik or Zamorsky there instead of Zidlicky or Rozsival (Though Rozsival shouldn't even be considered, unlike Zidlicky)

Yeah younger would make more sense long-term. What about Nestrasil on the 4th line?

 

[Swipes]

^^This is a best-on-best tournament and we're playing Canada and the U.S. in the group stage. I'd prefer to keep these losses in single digits.

Well old guys like Zidlicky and Roszival will struggle with the speed of young canadians whilst young guys like mozik will lack experience.

You just can't win on this one

 

[Wooren]

Well old guys like Zidlicky and Roszival will struggle with the speed of young canadians whilst young guys like mozik will lack experience.

This. You can't regain speed, but you can watch and learn. For guys like Mozik it would be definitely a good experience.

 

[Vogel]

Frolik - Plekanec - Voracek
Palat - Krejci - Pastrnak
Hertl - Sobotka - Hudler
Sekac - Hanzal - Jaskin
Vrana (Vrbata)

Nakladal - Gudas
Jordan - Polak
Kempny - Kundratek
Zidlicky (Sustr)

Mrazek, Pavelec, Neuvirth

 

[Swipes]

Frolik - Plekanec - Voracek
Palat - Krejci - Pastrnak
Hertl - Sobotka - Hudler
Sekac - Hanzal - Jaskin
Vrana (Vrbata)

Nakladal - Gudas
Jordan - Polak
Kempny - Kundratek
Zidlicky (Sustr)

Mrazek, Pavelec, Neuvirth

Not bad, I mostly agree.

Vrbata has to be in there. Vrana hasn't done enough to be on the team. Jaskin is having a poor season. Frolik for Hertl. Love line 2!

I'm not sure about having Nakladal on the top defensive pairing....

I'd favour Sustr over Kundratek and switch in Zidlicky for Kempny. He can play mostly PP and have sheltered minutes.

 

[tade]

Not bad, I mostly agree.

Vrbata has to be in there. Vrana hasn't done enough to be on the team. Jaskin is having a poor season. Frolik for Hertl. Love line 2!

I'm not sure about having Nakladal on the top defensive pairing....

I'd favour Sustr over Kundratek and switch in Zidlicky for Kempny. He can play mostly PP and have sheltered minutes.

I don't know if you can have sheltered minutes in the tournament like this when you are going to play against teams like Canada, NA, USA or Sweden which are full of superstars or stars on all lines. but I agree with you, limited ice-time.

Frolik - Plekanec - Voracek
Palat - Krejci - Pastrnak
Hertl - Sobotka - Hudler
Sekac - Hanzal - Jaskin
Vrana (Vrbata)

Nakladal - Gudas
Jordan - Polak
Kempny - Kundratek
Zidlicky (Sustr)

Mrazek, Pavelec, Neuvirth

Very good line-up!

 

[Rexor]

Look, I disagree that we've got nothing to lose at this tournament. Right now, we're being ranked somewhere between Finland and Switzerland by the international hockey community, and suffering humiliating blowouts against Canada and the U.S. as well as a loss against Team Europe - which would be quite possible if this "pedagogical" approach to team defense is employed - can become the last nail in the coffin of our international reputation. The likes of Židlický, Michálek or Rozsíval may be slow and well past their prime but they're used to playing against the other teams' star players, in these arenas and on this size of rink. Gaining experience is fine but you don't let a third year medical student perform a brain surgery and call it "experience", do you?

 

[Jablkon]

Zbynek Michalek is a must imo. Even if we should commit one of Gudas or Polak. I can not imagine roster without him....Jordan is very vulnerable imo

 

[Swipes]

Look, I disagree that we've got nothing to lose at this tournament. Right now, we're being ranked somewhere between Finland and Switzerland by the international hockey community, and suffering humiliating blowouts against Canada and the U.S. as well as a loss against Team Europe - which would be quite possible if this "pedagogical" approach to team defense is employed - can become the last nail in the coffin of our international reputation. The likes of Židlický, Michálek or Rozsíval may be slow and well past their prime but they're used to playing against the other teams' star players, in these arenas and on this size of rink. Gaining experience is fine but you don't let a third year medical student perform a brain surgery and call it "experience", do you?

Well, first of all it's (in my opinion) a bit of a silly exhibition tournament because of team Europe and team NA all stars. So who really cares? It's not the Olympics. Secondly, you have to pick your poison really. You prefer the oldies on D, I prefer the younger guys. At the end of the day, we probably lose with both. But while your guys retire, the young guys gain experience. Looking long term, it makes more sense. But I forgot about michalek, he'll be there.

 

[tade]

Zbynek Michalek is a must imo. Even if we should commit one of Gudas or Polak. I can not imagine roster without him....Jordan is very vulnerable imo

Sure Z. Michalek is a must for us but it would be crazy to leave Gudas out. He's playing arguably the best hockey in his career. 1st pairing, PK, and a lot of minutes for the Flyers, and doing very well. And he's not so bad at moving puck out of defensive zone.

 

[Wooren]

Look, I disagree that we've got nothing to lose at this tournament. Right now, we're being ranked somewhere between Finland and Switzerland by the international hockey community, and suffering humiliating blowouts against Canada and the U.S. as well as a loss against Team Europe - which would be quite possible if this "pedagogical" approach to team defense is employed - can become the last nail in the coffin of our international reputation. The likes of Židlický, Michálek or Rozsíval may be slow and well past their prime but they're used to playing against the other teams' star players, in these arenas and on this size of rink. Gaining experience is fine but you don't let a third year medical student perform a brain surgery and call it "experience", do you?

First of all, if we are going to mention international hockey community, it's good to know they have already written us off. Look at any rankings, you will see the top five and then something like ''the rest'' or ''and then there are teams like Czech republic, Switzerland or Slovakia'' . They no longer take us as a real threat.

I disagree that Zidlicky etc. play against other team's stars. They just don't. Basically all of our defensemen in NHL are border 3rd pairing ones, with the only exception being Gudas, though that's only because Philadelphia defense is trash. When Zidlicky plays (He isn't even a regular) or Rozsival, they play against 3rd liners. I want Michalek there, but I will take Kundratek, Kempny or Mozik over Zidlicky and Rozsival any day. After all, we have all seen what happens when you take team full of experience but no speed. Olympic games 2014 in Sochi. We only beat Slovakia in the whole tournament...

What I would like to see:

Palat - Krejci - Voracek
Hertl - Plekanec - Pastrnak/Vrbata
Hudler - Hanzal - Vrbata/Pastrnak
Simon - Sobotka - Frolik
Fleishmann/Kovar

Gudas - Sustr
Michalek - Kundratek
Kempny - Polak
Mozik/Nakladal

Mrazek, Neuvirth
Pavelec

PS: And who knows, if player like Simon, Nakladal or Mozik had good tourney they could get called up. Kundratek, Kempny or Kovar could get a contract. If player like Zidlicky scored 8 goals in there, it won't change anything at all for him NHL-wise.

 

[tade]

Basically all of our defensemen in NHL are border 3rd pairing ones, with the only exception being Gudas, though that's only because Philadelphia defense is trash.

Well yeah, he's not a guy who should play on a 1st pair in a long run for any NHL team but it's important to say that so far this season he has shown that he's capable of playing tough minutes and he doesn't look lost there against other teams top lines. Del Zotto - Gudas is one of the reasons why Flyers are playing much better lately. They provide a good 2-way defense ... yeah Del Zotto and Gudas.

They are both making a name for themselves.

Let's look at the real situation and not still keep saying usual stuff like "Flyers defense is trash". Overall, Flyers defense has made a lot of improvement from the last season, not only DelZotto and Gudas. New coach is one of the reasons too.

 

[Jablkon]

Jesus, I have been watching Rangers Flyers highlights..... Unbelievable how many chances Giroux Voracek waste. Goal scoring will be our another issue. I dont see anybody on left wing who csn produce except Palat maybe....

 

[Jablkon]

Sure Z. Michalek is a must for us but it would be crazy to leave Gudas out. He's playing arguably the best hockey in his career. 1st pairing, PK, and a lot of minutes for the Flyers, and doing very well. And he's not so bad at moving puck out of defensive zone.

True. Polak will not make it again imo. Can not imagine worst situation than Polak's. Our defence completely sucks, still does not have a guaranteed spot because we still have some defensive Ds


Btw I completely trust Jandac in his case. If he is good in something it is building a team. He lacks charisma and he is not winning type but I believe we will be positively surprised with the roster.

 

[Swipes]

Jesus, I have been watching Rangers Flyers highlights..... Unbelievable how many chances Giroux Voracek waste. Goal scoring will be our another issue. I dont see anybody on left wing who csn produce except Palat maybe....

Voracek has never had a very good shot. Its always been his biggest weakness. :/

 

[Jablkon]

Thats why I dont like HUdler- Krejci - Voracek line. Tic tac toe corner Wish I am wrong

 

[pecheq]

I would prefer players from North America - NHLers and AHLers. We have many good players in Europe, but I am affraid they would not get used to the ice rink so quickly. Defence is poor, yeah. But give the chance to Mozik, Nakladal and maybe Kindl. I would like to see Faksa, Simon and Straka as well.