WC: 2016 Team Canada

[Intangiblezz]

As of now, and it's probably close to being set in stone, we can take players from: Toronto, Columbus, Buffalo, Montreal, New Jersey, Ottawa, Carolina, Arizona, Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg and Edmonton.

There is also players between either Minnesota/Colorado and Philadelphia/Detroit who are fighting for a playoff spot.

Ryan O'Reilly - Connor McDavid - Jordan Eberle
Taylor Hall - Sean Monahan - Mark Stone
Mike Hoffman- Nazem Kadri - Brendan Gallagher
Boone Jenner - Adam Henrique - XXX
XXX

Mark Giordano - PK Subban
TJ Brodie - Chris Tanev
Ryan Murray - Morgan Rielly
XXX

Carey Price(?)
Cam Talbot
XXX

Detroit wouldn't yield us anyone. Philly gives us the chance to have Giroux, Couturier or Simmonds as well as Mason in nets. From Colorado, Duchene, MacKinnon and Barrie are possibilities. From Minny, Scandella and Dubnyk would be nice.

 

[therealdeal]

I wouldn't bother putting Price in there, so risky for him. I honestly wouldn't expect him to go even if he was on the mend.

 

[Bear12Good]

Cammalleri?

 

[JackSlater]

As of now, and it's probably close to being set in stone, we can take players from: Toronto, Columbus, Buffalo, Montreal, New Jersey, Ottawa, Carolina, Arizona, Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg and Edmonton.

There is also players between either Minnesota/Colorado and Philadelphia/Detroit who are fighting for a playoff spot.

Ryan O'Reilly - Connor McDavid - Jordan Eberle
Taylor Hall - Sean Monahan - Mark Stone
Mike Hoffman- Nazem Kadri - Brendan Gallagher
Boone Jenner - Adam Henrique - XXX
XXX

Mark Giordano - PK Subban
TJ Brodie - Chris Tanev
Ryan Murray - Morgan Rielly
XXX

Carey Price(?)
Cam Talbot
XXX

Detroit wouldn't yield us anyone. Philly gives us the chance to have Giroux, Couturier or Simmonds as well as Mason in nets. From Colorado, Duchene, MacKinnon and Barrie are possibilities. From Minny, Scandella and Dubnyk would be nice.

I would hope that Canada shows some restraint, at leave when it comes to forwards. See who becomes available after the first round.

Cammalleri?

There's no point. This is mostly a development tournament, and Cammalleri would just be taking the scoring spot from a younger player who might feature for Canada at a higher level in the future. He would probably have to really want to go (or there would have to be many refusals) for Canada to even ask.

 

[xxxx]

Others I'm not sure about, but I would be extremely surprised if these eight players were not going:

T.J. Brodie
Mark Giordano
P.K. Subban

Mark Scheifele
Taylor Hall
Ryan O'Reilly
Connor McDavid
Mark Stone

 

[1Gold Standard]

Interesting. Heard Treliving before, so that's not a surprise. I suppose McPhee wants to keep his name out there for GM jobs. Treliving should be able to deliver Calgary's players, which is good. I don't know what benefit McPhee's connections with the Islanders and Capitals will bring.

Unfortunately for us Scott Salmond is still playing a role. Man, I wish Nicholson would do us fans of Team Canada/Hockey Canada all a favor and hire this guy so he has no say whatsoever on National Team rosters. mostly to get him away from his input on the junior team. I imagine an NHL GM would tell him to shut up or go fetch coffee if opened up his beak to speak in that room.

 

[therealdeal]

There's no point. This is mostly a development tournament, and Cammalleri would just be taking the scoring spot from a younger player who might feature for Canada at a higher level in the future. He would probably have to really want to go (or there would have to be many refusals) for Canada to even ask.

Nonsense, Canada plays in tournaments to win them, not to develop players, that's other countries problems. Great players don't need to be groomed for big tournaments, they're ready because they're good hockey players.

Always, always take the best players that you can possibly take, not a player that may be good later on when you might need him.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Nonsense, Canada plays in tournaments to win them, not to develop players, that's other countries problems. Great players don't need to be groomed for big tournaments, they're ready because they're good hockey players.

Always, always take the best players that you can possibly take, not a player that may be good later on when you might need him.

I'm afraid you'll have to look a little closer at how Hockey Canada approaches the WHC, it is certainly not a win at all cost tournament. It is perhaps 50/50 win/development tournament. perhaps in some years it's a 60/40 split with the accent being on development.

 

[therealdeal]

I'm afraid you'll have to look a little closer at how Hockey Canada approaches the WHC, it is certainly not a win at all cost tournament. It is perhaps 50/50 win/development tournament. perhaps in some years it's a 60/40 split with the accent being on development.

Just because younger players are go doesn't mean they don't want the veteran guys to go. It's harder to get the vets to go because they're older, they have families and more responsibilities in their time off. This does not mean it's a development tournament, only that there are limitations on the players that are able to go.

 

[tade]

Just because younger players are go doesn't mean they don't want the veteran guys to go. It's harder to get the vets to go because they're older, they have families and more responsibilities in their time off. This does not mean it's a development tournament, only that there are limitations on the players that are able to go.

Agreed with you, it's definitely not 'development tournament' for Hockey Canada, imo.

 

[Connor]

Assumption is following teams do not make the playoffs: Colorado, Arizona, Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Philadelphia, Carolina, New Jersey, Buffalo, Columbus, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa

I think the team will be comprised of players in this pecking order:

Who has a roster spot already for World Cup Canada:

Price

Who has a roster spot for 23 and under World Cup:

Murray, Murray, Rielly, Couturier, MacKinnon, McDavid, Monahan

Who has potential on being team Canada World Cup:

Giordano, Brodie, Subban, Giroux, Duchene, Hall

Who has potential on being under 23 World Cup team:

RNH, Scheifele, Hamilton

Finally, team Canada long shots:

Schenn, O'Rielly, Skinner, Gallagher, Eberle, Tanev, Talbot, Simmonds

Approximate depth chart:

O'Rielly-McDavid-Simmonds
Duchene-Monahan-Giroux
Hall-RNH-Eberle
Schenn-Couturier-MacKinnon
Skinner-Scheifele-Gallagher

Giordano-Brodie
Murray-Subban
Rielly-Hamilton
Tanev

Price
Talbot
Murray

 

[JackSlater]

Nonsense, Canada plays in tournaments to win them, not to develop players, that's other countries problems. Great players don't need to be groomed for big tournaments, they're ready because they're good hockey players.

Always, always take the best players that you can possibly take, not a player that may be good later on when you might need him.

That may be how you would like them to approach it, but reality is otherwise. They clearly treat this as a development tournament, a cursory glance at the rosters through the years reveals that.

Additionally, that's the right strategy to take. Better to groom young players in prominent positions than take the Russian approach of going all out to win what is basically a meaningless tournament and sacrificing the development opportunity.

Agreed with you, it's definitely not 'development tournament' for Hockey Canada, imo.

Obviously wrong. Can you explain them not even inviting Weber or Bergeron in recent years? Bergeron even said that Canada was looking to "go younger". There are other examples of players not being asked, better yet pressured like players are in other federations.

 

[1Gold Standard]

That may be how you would like them to approach it, but reality is otherwise. They clearly treat this as a development tournament, a cursory glance at the rosters through the years reveals that.

Additionally, that's the right strategy to take. Better to groom young players in prominent positions than take the Russian approach of going all out to win what is basically a meaningless tournament and sacrificing the development opportunity.



Obviously wrong. Can you explain them not even inviting Weber or Bergeron in recent years? Bergeron even said that Canada was looking to "go younger". There are other examples of players not being asked, better yet pressured like players are in other federations.

Absolutely correct! and in addition look to how many new coaches/GMs Hockey Canada brings in to give them experience in the international arena, look to the absolute minimal prep time Team Canada gives to this tournament, a few on ice sessions, 1 pre-tournament game the week of tournament puck drop, whereas other countries prep for a month or more with up to 8 exhibition games. Yes indeed, Hockey Canada's approach to this tournament is accented more to the development side of things, and a little too much so if you ask me. Development is important, but I'd like to see a 70/30 split with the accent on winning. Certainly I prefer Hockey Canada's approach to this tournament over the way the Russian Ice Hockey Federation approaches it, but every federation makes their own determination as to which tournament is important and which isn't.

As long as we have Olympics with NHL participation, then I can at least put up with HC's approach to the WHC. but should that change, then I hope HC's approach will change.

 

[Jablkon]

I'm afraid you'll have to look a little closer at how Hockey Canada approaches the WHC, it is certainly not a win at all cost tournament. It is perhaps 50/50 win/development tournament. perhaps in some years it's a 60/40 split with the accent being on development.

You miss aspect of refusals. Canada was sometimes so weak and it wasn't definetely just because of young core. I dont believe it's 50/50. You would hardly pass quarters with that attitude and thus dont get any special experiences for young guns.

Btw. plus minus all teams who can afford it do the same (in 3rd, 4th line). Except russians - but they do it to strenghten their "sense of belonging" which they lacked from 1993 till Ovechkin era.Sure motivation of euro teams is historically always higher.

15 years ago I was personally very happy that I saw our euro guys playing in WHC even if we had 80 guys in NHL...

 

[1Gold Standard]

You miss aspect of refusals. Canada was sometimes so weak and it wasn't definetely just because of young core. I dont believe it's 50/50. You would hardly pass quarters with that attitude and thus dont get any special experiences for young guns.

Btw. plus minus all teams who can afford it do the same (in 3rd, 4th line). Except russians - but they do it to strenghten their "sense of belonging" which they lacked from 1993 till Ovechkin era.Sure motivation of euro teams is historically always higher.

15 years ago I was personally very happy that I saw our euro guys playing in WHC even if we had 80 guys in NHL...

And up until last year how many years did Canada get bounced from the quarters? You're making my argument for me. Let's not speak of what Team Canada has done historically at that particular tournament, but let's look to recent history, as priorities change as management people at the Federations come and go. And no question, Hockey Canada can, on any particular year, say enough is enough, this tournament, our priority #1 is to win. which was the case last year, but up until that point I didn't see that level of commitment from Hockey Canada in its approach to the WHC since 2010, (not including the 2010 WHC Team as it was an Olympic Year, a year Hockey Canada couldn't be bothered with that tournament) but by coincidence, 2010 was when we had the last significant changes in Hockey Canada's management structure up until the resignation of Bob Nicholson in 2014. I'm curious to see what their approach is this year given last year's dominant performance.


Players refuse because they know they can, because Hockey Canada allows it. It is one thing for Sidney Crosby to refuse considering what he's already accomplished in league and international play, but it is an entirely different thing for the likes of Logan Couture and Ryan Johansen to refuse. Hockey Canada does nothing to address that issue.

 

[Bear12Good]

And up until last year how many years did Canada get bounced from the quarters? You're making my argument for me. Let's not speak of what Team Canada has done historically at that particular tournament, but let's look to recent history, as priorities change as management people at the Federations come and go. And no question, Hockey Canada can, on any particular year, say enough is enough, this tournament, our priority #1 is to win. which was the case last year, but up until that point I didn't see that level of commitment from Hockey Canada in its approach to the WHC since 2010, (not including the 2010 WHC Team as it was an Olympic Year, a year Hockey Canada couldn't be bothered with that tournament) but by coincidence, 2010 was when we had the last significant changes in Hockey Canada's management structure up until the resignation of Bob Nicholson in 2014. I'm curious to see what their approach is this year given last year's dominant performance.


Players refuse because they know they can, because Hockey Canada allows it. It is one thing for Sidney Crosby to refuse considering what he's already accomplished in league and international play, but it is an entirely different thing for the likes of Logan Couture and Ryan Johansen to refuse. Hockey Canada does nothing to address that issue.

And how can we decide problem of refusals Canadians?
Maybe baned such players to play in the national team at the World Cup and the Olympic Games?

 

[JackSlater]

And how can we decide problem of refusals Canadians?
Maybe baned such players to play in the national team at the World Cup and the Olympic Games?

There is no solution. The vast majority of Canadians would be outraged if Hockey Canada reduced team Canada's chances at the Olympics (a tournament Canadians care about) for the sake of the World Championships (a tournament Canadians by and large don't care about). The best case scenario is what I hope is currently happening - the World Championships can be a deciding factor between two players who are close in contention for a best on best level team.

 

[leafsfuture]

And up until last year how many years did Canada get bounced from the quarters? You're making my argument for me. Let's not speak of what Team Canada has done historically at that particular tournament, but let's look to recent history, as priorities change as management people at the Federations come and go. And no question, Hockey Canada can, on any particular year, say enough is enough, this tournament, our priority #1 is to win. which was the case last year, but up until that point I didn't see that level of commitment from Hockey Canada in its approach to the WHC since 2010, (not including the 2010 WHC Team as it was an Olympic Year, a year Hockey Canada couldn't be bothered with that tournament) but by coincidence, 2010 was when we had the last significant changes in Hockey Canada's management structure up until the resignation of Bob Nicholson in 2014. I'm curious to see what their approach is this year given last year's dominant performance.


Players refuse because they know they can, because Hockey Canada allows it. It is one thing for Sidney Crosby to refuse considering what he's already accomplished in league and international play, but it is an entirely different thing for the likes of Logan Couture and Ryan Johansen to refuse. Hockey Canada does nothing to address that issue.

To be fair, Sid has always answered the call at the World Championships where it was possible. Obviously a few years he missed it due to playoffs, then he had the concussions issues.

I think he has only turned down Canada once, and that was 2 or 3 years ago, when he was simply burnt out.

I agree the Couture's and Johansen's are another case. Young guys when asked should say yes unless they are hurt

 

[bert]

Assumption is following teams do not make the playoffs: Colorado, Arizona, Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Philadelphia, Carolina, New Jersey, Buffalo, Columbus, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa

I think the team will be comprised of players in this pecking order:

Who has a roster spot already for World Cup Canada:

Price

Who has a roster spot for 23 and under World Cup:

Murray, Murray, Rielly, Couturier, MacKinnon, McDavid, Monahan

Who has potential on being team Canada World Cup:

Giordano, Brodie, Subban, Giroux, Duchene, Hall

Who has potential on being under 23 World Cup team:

RNH, Scheifele, Hamilton

Finally, team Canada long shots:

Schenn, O'Rielly, Skinner, Gallagher, Eberle, Tanev, Talbot, Simmonds

Approximate depth chart:

O'Rielly-McDavid-Simmonds
Duchene-Monahan-Giroux
Hall-RNH-Eberle
Schenn-Couturier-MacKinnon
Skinner-Scheifele-Gallagher

Giordano-Brodie
Murray-Subban
Rielly-Hamilton
Tanev

Price
Talbot
Murray

The highest scoring Canadian RW and 7th overall will be on the team. Very good chance he plays on the World Cup team too.

 

[1Gold Standard]

To be fair, Sid has always answered the call at the World Championships where it was possible. Obviously a few years he missed it due to playoffs, then he had the concussions issues.

I think he has only turned down Canada once, and that was 2 or 3 years ago, when he was simply burnt out.

I agree the Couture's and Johansen's are another case. Young guys when asked should say yes unless they are hurt

I wasn't criticizing Sid. And there were legitimate injury concerns, yes... but Malkin hasn't really been a textbook example of perfect health, yet he seems to show up there just about every year. But at this point, it really doesn't matter, Sid has earned the right to call his own shot with regards to that tournament. He never have to play in it again as far as I'm concerned. If he is up to it, then sure, I'd be overjoyed with that decision. Love watching him play.

 

[JackSlater]

I watched Buffalo last night, really liking Reinhart. Quite Bergeron-esque. He should definitely make this team. Although he's likely to be a centre long term, it's nice to see Canada producing two way players who can contribute on the wings. Canada hasn't had that in decades.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I watched Buffalo last night, really liking Reinhart. Quite Bergeron-esque. He should definitely make this team. Although he's likely to be a centre long term, it's nice to see Canada producing two way players who can contribute on the wings. Canada hasn't had that in decades.

You're a Reinhart booster, I'm a Fabbri guy! but to your point, a center who can easily play LW. So, if he were to become available, a Fabbri McDavid Reinhart line would be interesting to see. a little young at this point, so I'd be hesitant to give them significant minutes as a trio, but I'd like to see it on a limited basis as glimpse into the future.

 

[JackSlater]

You're a Reinhart booster, I'm a Fabbri guy! but to your point, a center who can easily play LW. So, if he were to become available, a Fabbri McDavid Reinhart line would be interesting to see. a little young at this point, so I'd be hesitant to give them significant minutes as a trio, but I'd like to see it on a limited basis as glimpse into the future.

I likely wouldn't want them as a line right now either, as McDavid is already worthy of big minutes. If Giroux doesn't go, McDavid could start as the number one centre on the team. I assume that McDavid and Eberle will be a duo at the World Championship this year. Depending on what centres are available, I like the idea of O'Reilly McDavid Eberle as a well rounded top line.

 

[Bear12Good]

Mason,Talbot

Taylor Hall-Ryan O'Reilly-Claude Giroux
Jordan Eberle-Connor McDavid-Michael Cammalleri (?)
Mark Stone-Matt Duchene-Mike Hoffman
Brendan Gallagher-Sean Monahan-Wayne Simmonds


P.K. Subban-Tyson Barrie
Mark Giordano-TJ Brodie
Dougie Hamilton-Tyler Myers
Christopher Tanev

 

[1Gold Standard]

I likely wouldn't want them as a line right now either, as McDavid is already worthy of big minutes. If Giroux doesn't go, McDavid could start as the number one centre on the team. I assume that McDavid and Eberle will be a duo at the World Championship this year. Depending on what centres are available, I like the idea of O'Reilly McDavid Eberle as a well rounded top line.

NYI, if they even make the post season, will make a quick exit and J.T. will be the #1 center. And I hope Giroux goes as well, he can slot in with J.T. on the right side or play 2nd center, moving wunderkind 3rd center. Either way I expect a dominant Sidney Crosby-esque like performance from McDavid just like Sid in his rookie year, '06 Riga, Latvia.