Transfer: 2016 Summer transfer discussion

[MarkStone]

Although I don't believe that he will be shunned completely, Götze faces a very difficult year in Munich. But after that, he will be able to move to any club he wants at an age of 25. I am sure that this will be a better decision - financially for sure and probably careerwise as well - than joning mediocre and overambitious Liverpool now.

Gruß,
BSHH

Wanting to recruit good players when you have an excellent manager and are one of the 10 wealthiest clubs in the world is overambitious these days? Give me a break, you're having a

 

[cgf]

Wanting to recruit good players when you have an excellent manager and are one of the 10 wealthiest clubs in the world is overambitious these days? Give me a break, you're having a

You are aware that CL spots are not awarded based on wealth, yes?

 

[MarkStone]

You are aware that CL spots are not awarded based on wealth, yes?

So you should just pack it in and not try to recruit good players because you don't have a champions league spot? That's a pretty defeatist mentality.

 

[Evilo]

I thought the Lorient boss admitted recently that they had offers from both Liverpool and Dortmund but weren't satisfied with either. Did that change?

Don't think so. The article simply stated Dortmund and Lorient had been negociating for much longer. But given Dortmund's negociating tactics, Barca clearly stands a good chance.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Don't think so. The article simply stated Dortmund and Lorient had been negociating for much longer. But given Dortmund's negociating tactics, Barca clearly stands a good chance.

I was thinking of an earlier article, translated into English here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/26/liverpool-raphael-guerreiro-lorient-bid

“For the moment four major foreign clubs, including Dortmund and Liverpool, have made an offer,†Hayes told the French newspaper Ouest France.

“No one wants to see Raphaël leave, especially the president. He will only be transferred if a club makes an offer that we can’t refuse.

“The fourth one shouldn’t take too long to be made [officially] but for the moment none of them satisfy us. We’re calm. We don’t need to sell to balance the books.â€

Although now that I look at the French article that the Guardian cites, it doesn't quote Hayes as saying any of the things that the Guardian wrote, so IDK.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Wanting to recruit good players when you have an excellent manager and are one of the 10 wealthiest clubs in the world is overambitious these days? Give me a break, you're having a

He didn't say Liverpool were overambitious for pursuing Götze or shouldn't pursue him if you look at his post, just that they're overambitious in general.

 

[Evilo]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actu...rca-approche-raphael-guerreiro-lorient/682351

Says Dortmund have negociated with Lorient, but Barca want him as Alba's backup.

Also says Guerreiro might want to choose playing time over being a Barca backup.

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Sounds like Halilovic has been sold to Valencia, with a buy back clause.

 

[Savi]

Orel Mangala - already linked with Dortmund a few months ago - is apparently again close to signing with the club. Any Belgian posters familiar with him?

Yeah, it's done. Anderlecht really wanted him to stay, he was excellent in the Youth League this season and for next year he'd probably gotten some playing time with the first team. But it seems his parents smelled the big money and wanted to force a move.

 

[Buda]

Sounds like Halilovic has been sold to Valencia, with a buy back clause.

Reports in croatian media suggest a price of 8mil euro if I'm not mistaken...

 

[Power Man]

According to A Bola and now France Football, Liverpool wants to sign Brahimi.

Not sure if it's legit

 

[Deficient Mode]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actu...rca-approche-raphael-guerreiro-lorient/682351

Says Dortmund have negociated with Lorient, but Barca want him as Alba's backup.

Also says Guerreiro might want to choose playing time over being a Barca backup.

Interesting. Schmelzer was pretty set at LB this season, and from what I gather Tuchel and the club are happy with him. I wonder if Tuchel plans to play with Schmelzer as a left center back in a back three with Guerreiro as a wing back? Or just to rotate between the two.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Sounds like Halilovic has been sold to Valencia, with a buy back clause.

I hate this move... Give him to a team like Villarreal or Celta. Not to a team that's in a complete disarray.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Kicker says that Arsenal is after Ricardo Rodriguez, who has a €25M release clause this summer.

Also:



Stupid clause. Benzema is better than Lewandowski anyway, but who knows if Perez knows that.

 

[les Habs]

I hate this move... Give him to a team like Villarreal or Celta. Not to a team that's in a complete disarray.

While I'd prefer either of the two clubs you mentioned, I'm actually for the move. That's not a bad sum at this stage, there's a buyback and I don't see him making the team anytime soon anyway.

Kicker says that Arsenal is after Ricardo Rodriguez, who has a €25M release clause this summer.

I wonder if he really has a clause like that. Doubt Arsenal land him one way or the other, but if so then a few clubs will have been caught napping.

 

[les Habs]

Great news on the DM front for Barça:

-A deal has been agreed in principle for a new contract for Busquets. His new contract would go until 2021 and his buyout clause will be 200 million.

-Sergi Samper has also agreed a new deal with the club. His new contract will go to 2020. Still some rumors surrounding him though and we could see a loan or sale with buyback clause. REALLY hope this kid gets a shot. He's been only loyal having rebuffed offers from Arsenal as a youngster and even going down a division with the B team last season.

 

[Deficient Mode]

While I'd prefer either of the two clubs you mentioned, I'm actually for the move. That's not a bad sum at this stage, there's a buyback and I don't see him making the team anytime soon anyway.



I wonder if he really has a clause like that. Doubt Arsenal land him one way or the other, but if so then a few clubs will have been caught napping.

Naldo had a clause that he could leave for free if Wolfsburg didn't make European competition. Maybe Rodriguez had a clause lowering his release price in that same event?

Anyway, I know little about Guerreiro, but I've cooled a lot on Rodriguez, and like Alba (and Schmelzer) more. Rodriguez has a terrific left foot, but I feel that he is a bit underwhelming in areas other than crossing and free kicks.

Great news on the DM front for Barça:

-A deal has been agreed in principle for a new contract for Busquets. His new contract would go until 2021 and his buyout clause will be 200 million.

-Sergi Samper has also agreed a new deal with the club. His new contract will go to 2020. Still some rumors surrounding him though and we could see a loan or sale with buyback clause. REALLY hope this kid gets a shot. He's been only loyal having rebuffed offers from Arsenal as a youngster and even going down a division with the B team last season.

He'd be worth it tbh.

I thought I read that Samper would go to Sporting in the short term?

 

[les Habs]

Naldo had a clause that he could leave for free if Wolfsburg didn't make European competition. Maybe Rodriguez had a clause lowering his release price in that same event?

Perhaps, but I would have thought VFL would have just thrown more money at him at the time to get that sort of thing taken out.

Anyway, I know little about Guerreiro, but I've cooled a lot on Rodriguez, and like Alba (and Schmelzer) more. Rodriguez has a terrific left foot, but I feel that he is a bit underwhelming in areas other than crossing and free kicks.

Yeah, I wouldn't get rid of Alba for him. That's not to say Alba is better, but he suits us more. I was actually referring to other clubs. Madrid being one not that Marcelo needs replacing. Still with their spending I could see them bringing in a guy like Rodriguez despite having Marcelo. City came to mind as well.

He'd be worth it tbh.

With the way the market is going he might be soon, but probably not just yet. We're still a ways away from a club actually having spent anything near that for a player and Busquets is relatively old for that sort of fee. That said it should still ward off anyone thinking about it.

Busquets did say that the negotiations took longer than he'd have hoped and that he did see himself outside of the club (I'm assuming as a possibility). I think he's here for good now though. I also read that the deal has an option for another two years as well.

I thought I read that Samper would go to Sporting in the short term?

Abelardo apparently wants him. I'd be fine with a loan which I'd prefer to a sale with buyback at this point. I think he'll need to land somewhere to get the minutes he needs. That said he'd better get a real shot someday. The midfield is a bit clogged right now, but I'd definitely make room for him at some point if need be.

 

[Cin]

Kicker says that Arsenal is after Ricardo Rodriguez, who has a €25M release clause this summer.

Also:



Stupid clause. Benzema is better than Lewandowski anyway, but who knows if Perez knows that.

What? lol

 

[gary69]

Although it is very early to judge about Götze's career, I would not consider both his and Podolski's career trajectories overly similar. They are also very different personalities, which seems quite important to me:

Podolski came up through FC Cologne's youth system to become not only their go-to guy, but also some kind of über-popular folk hero for this very self-centered city. Along with his club success, Podolski quickly established himself as a fixture of a then rebuilding German NT, being perhaps the most noticable among a group of upcoming youngsters (ahead of Schweinsteiger, Lahm and Mertesacker). When Cologne got relegated, he moved to Munich, which many deemed not only a challenge with regard to sports, since noone would describe Podolski as overly cosmopolitan.

He had a disappointing stint in Munich, however I consider his next move to be his worst career decision: Podolski went back to Cologne, where he was viewed as some sort of saviour of the club and his salaries had to be financed by third-party grants. I think a move to another German club with less distractions would have been a better decision for him, but we will never know. Anyway, he had at least one very good season back in Cologne, but in the end the club could not advance from mediocrity and was even relegated again.

With Arsenal, Podolski played better than I expected at first, but his impact waned. His stint in Milan was horrific, but he seems to fit in well with Galatasaray now. But keep in mind, we are talking about a player who already many considered to be a mere mascot on the 2014 WC squad, aged only 29 then. Increasing his social media activities while becoming less relevant as a player provokes more spiteful comments than praise now.

On the other hand, Götze is a less folksy person. He excelled at Dortmund, but more as one among an ensemble of very good players than as a go-to-guy. In the German NT he never became a key player (which was extremely difficult at that time, of course) and still seems as some sort of surplus talent to me. Unlike Podolski, Götze's struggles with Munich could also be attributed to Guardiola to some extent, although he was a regular starter last season. While Götze is no impact player at all, his appearances were mostly quite strong (albeit against lesser opponents lately) and the disappointment over his Munich stint is based much more on failed expectations than weak performances than it was with Podolski.

Although I don't believe that he will be shunned completely, Götze faces a very difficult year in Munich. But after that, he will be able to move to any club he wants at an age of 25. I am sure that this will be a better decision - financially for sure and probably careerwise as well - than joning mediocre and overambitious Liverpool now.

Gruß,
BSHH

C'mon, you're just being jealous there Everybody knows that Köln is the best city in Germany, although there are some positives about Munich and Berlin as well.

It's unfortunate that traditional teams like HSV and 1.FC have not been able to keep up with the rest of Europe in the last few decades, but Köln definitely should be above teams like Dortmund, which is half of its' size. Too bad that Bayern saved Dortmund from bankrupty, that's another weird occurrence in German football.

Looking from outside, it's bit odd that Köln aren't attracting top (youngish) talent regularly compared to other Bundesliga teams. Great city, good/passionate crowds, good money, what's not to like? They won't be rivalling Bayern any time soon, but they certainly should be pushing higher than they currently do.

You rarely hear them being after international level guys like back in the old days.

 

[Power Man]

What? lol

Lewa is a great finisher

But Benz is more complete

 

[Vasilevskiy]

I hate this move... Give him to a team like Villarreal or Celta. Not to a team that's in a complete disarray.

Yeah, Valencia are a disaster.

Celta would have been a great fit, same for Villareal...

 

[Cucumber]

Lewa is a great finisher

But Benz is more complete

Pep said Lewa is the smartest footballer he has ever worked with.


Lewa is a very#2 behind Suarez as the best #9 imo.

 

[cgf]

What? lol

I disagree with DM there, especially on this year's form, but it's not like the gap is massive in either direction. Neither putting Lewy over Benz, nor the inverse, should warrant a lol as both are right there with Suarez for the title of best 9 on the planet.

Lewa is a great finisher

But Benz is more complete

Lewy's done less creating & more finishing for Bayern, but he's still a very good playmaker & was truly exceptional in this respect for BVB...and Reus in particular. He has also had much more success as a presser than Benzema, when used aggressively in this arena. I have Benzema right there, but Lewy is still ahead of him for me.

 

[Power Man]

Pep said Lewa is the smartest footballer he has ever worked with.


Lewa is a very#2 behind Suarez as the best #9 imo.

Yeah I don't put too much stock into what Pep says

Pep Jackson tried to tell Eto'o how a striker should play