The reports are that a transfer was pretty much arranged but at the last minute Götze had second thoughts, fired his agent and decided to stay surprising everyone involved.
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The reports are that a transfer was pretty much arranged but at the last minute Götze had second thoughts, fired his agent and decided to stay surprising everyone involved.
Chimaera
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I'm not sure pole, but they're in the mix if he goes.
I get the rumblings as he doesn't want to come to Liverpool.
I get the rumblings as he doesn't want to come to Liverpool.
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Kid tries to do the noble thing (stay and fight for regular football) but screws over two massive clubs in the process
No, he was told by both Ancelotti and Rummenigge that he is no longer in Bayern's plans. That's why I wrote he won't play next year at Bayern anyway.
Nobody of us knows what happened between Götze, Pep and the club last season.
To me it looks like Götze wants to give Bayern their own medicine (see Lewandowski), get another Buli title + German Cup and maybe CL title for free and walk afterwards for free to LFC or another big club.
A bold speculation of me, I know, but he is young enough to go that route. He must be very, very pissed at Bayern.
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Hence his decision to stay has potentially screwed them over (or at least caused a decent annoyance)...
WhiskeySeven*
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Bayern supporter here who never wanted to sign Gotze (for his own sake, and for the sake of competition); I'm happy he's refused a transfer.
If he fights for his place and wins, then good. If he doesn't make it and leaves on a free, then it'll be a lesson to the board to not make luxury signings, lose our own HG players (Kroos) and weaken the BuLi for not god damn reason. They signed Thiago and Gotze in the same freakin off-season... unbelievable.
Point is - Gotze shouldn't think about anything else until after the Euros, at that point there will still be a month left to sort out a move if he really feels like it's time to go. I want him to stay and fight though.
If he fights for his place and wins, then good. If he doesn't make it and leaves on a free, then it'll be a lesson to the board to not make luxury signings, lose our own HG players (Kroos) and weaken the BuLi for not god damn reason. They signed Thiago and Gotze in the same freakin off-season... unbelievable.
Point is - Gotze shouldn't think about anything else until after the Euros, at that point there will still be a month left to sort out a move if he really feels like it's time to go. I want him to stay and fight though.
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I have no idea, if you can read German, but I post this link from today's "focus" website. This is how Bayern Munich works:
http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/...cht-mit-einem-hoeness-prinzip_id_5568178.html
If it was indeed as reported by Kicker that Götze cancelled the transfer at the very last second surprising everyone, you'd have to think that, after leaving him in Dortmund, a return to Klopp is now out of the question.
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Kid tries to do the noble thing (stay and fight for regular football) but screws over two massive clubs in the process
He's staying because Bayern is paying him extremely well, and he'll get more money if he signs on a free transfer.
It would be hilarious if he left on a free transfer next season, and it's already great to listen to Rummenigge's comments in the media. I'm enjoying this immensely.
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My german is horrible, I had to use translate and got the gist of it... but mind translating the last portion?
Good for Gotze.He's staying because Bayern is paying him extremely well, and he'll get more money if he signs on a free transfer.
It would be hilarious if he left on a free transfer next season, and it's already great to listen to Rummenigge's comments in the media. I'm enjoying this immensely.
I'm quite neutral toward "big-money" Bayern Munich. Not crazy about Thiago, was totally against how they dealt with Gomez and Kroos, wasn't into the nabbing of Gotze or Lewy... wasted 30mio on Benatia... Alonso at crazy high wages... Sanches for an unbelievable amount...
Meh. I remember when they were celebrating getting Oddo on loan
Lell and Ottl were starting. Were dark-ish days but at least the organization had to get creative and develop talents. At this point they're just spending like a billionaire on his deathbed. Gotze should stay and then figure out what to do after. Flip the finger to the arrogant board. How great would it be if he captures a starting place?
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My german is horrible, I had to use translate and got the gist of it... but mind translating the last portion?
Good for Gotze.
I'm quite neutral toward "big-money" Bayern Munich. Not crazy about Thiago, was totally against how they dealt with Gomez and Kroos, wasn't into the nabbing of Gotze or Lewy... wasted 30mio on Benatia... Alonso at crazy high wages... Sanches for an unbelievable amount...
Meh. I remember when they were celebrating getting Oddo on loan
Gotze should stay and then figure out what to do after. Flip the finger to the arrogant board. How great would it be if he captures a starting place?
Rough translation in my own words:
Götze's reaction wasn't scheduled. Mostly pros give up if a coach tells them there is no hope for them on the team. Apparently Bayern want to cash in on Götze now. There's no other explanation of Rummenigge's actions now.
The Gomez case should Bayern teach not to sell own players short in public. (I spare the Gomez numbers here). In the end Bayern had to eat a 20m euros loss on Gomez.
According to Rummenigge Bayern won't get anything near the 37 m euros Bayern paid 3 years ago.
Well, this sums it up properly. If not someone correct me.
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Ok, that's what I got, thanks!
Bayern deserved to lose money on Gomez and they deserve to lose money on Gotze if they push to sell him. They hoard German talent, have them perform well (Ballack, Kroos and Gomez especially) and then move onto the next toys and trinkets and undersell them or fall out with them.
On one hand they sold Gomez to a team that really wanted him and promised him playing time even at a loss, on the other hand their public chasing of Lewy and acquisition of Mandzukic was disrespectful to the man who was the 3rd most lethal goalscorer in Europe behind Messi and Ronaldo. What's the point of paying 30m+ for a star if you're not going to help accommodate him to be at his best? Even so, Gomez was not playing poorly nor was he not scoring. He scored in his final game in the German cup, in fact.
Gotze has disappointed but for Kalle to want to toss him out at a loss shows unbelievable levels of carelessness. Let the new coach, who is known for his man management, deal with him - you have all summer, afterall.
If we're going to sell every disappointing player on high salaries, why not Thiago? Benatia? Rafinha fell off a cliff. Bernat was great one season and (relatively speaking) awful the next. Why do they want to sell the one player who has potential to be the next great German footballer?
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Oh Gomez. Shame Bayern weren't stupid enough to keep him, and instead upgraded on him with Mandzukic & later Lewy.
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Ancelotti supposedly wants Götze out as well though. I think Thiago has shown more than Götze despite an inconsistent season.
Mandzukic was never better than Gomez.
cgf
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He was immediately better than Gomez for FCB, which is why their attack became much more fluid & efficient right away. And Mandzo was better in his last season at FC VW than Gomez was at FCB.
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Correlation does not equal causation. Gomez was injured the first three months of that treble season, and thus lost the chance to re-establish himself as the first option - why mess with a team that was dominating the league? That treble season also coincided with tremendous improvement in Bayern's collective pressing game, the transfers of Javi Martinez and Dante, Boateng and especially Kroos and Alaba improving, and Ribery staying healthy and in top form. Most of those things had little or nothing to do with Gomez. But of course the Gomez critics latched onto it as proof that Bayern (and Germany) were better without him.
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I don't think it's far fetched to say Gotze would be in Liverpool if LFC beat Sevilla and had Champions League.
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I find more potential to keep the native, Bavarian German than Thiago with his ACL issues. Thiago has shown marginally more than Gotze overall, but frankly, he was really bad this year and I'm not too keen on either.
I miss my Toni so much. That little autistic ossi, he was so cute.
I tend to agree as well. Gomez has been unfairly maligned - he's not just a simple finisher, (when healthy) he's world-class. Delivery to the striker from 2012 to 2013 was entirely different and Robben and Ribery started tracking back and playing more fluid on the wings, Alaba burst out, etc. Mandzukic is a great striker himself too, more physical and dominant in the air than Gomez but they could've made it work with Mario if they really wanted to... they clearly didn't. Nor with Kroos, nor (now) with Gotze.
cgf
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How can you ignore Mandzukic's impact on Bayern's pressing game, or how the space he opened up in attack contributed greatly in the players behind him having such great seasons? Gomez has clogged the final third for Bayern & the NT on so many occasions that I genuinely can not even begin to understand how anyone who watched would argue against it.
No offense intended, since I like talking to you & whiskey, and I know that you guys did watch; but this is just baffling to me. Gomez's negative effects on the spacing & interplay of the attack around him are facts as far as I'm concerned. The argument about gomez is whether his finishing in the box is worth clogging the final third & being forced into catering to him, not whether he clogs things for the guys around them.
I miss my Toni so much. That little autistic ossi, he was so cute.
Toni was too big to stay someplace where he'd be surrounded by bumpkins like y'alls down in Bavaria
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Mandzukic has an advantage in pressing to Gomez due to his far superior work rate, but the changes happened on a team level as well. Heynckes studied the Gegenpressing trend, which led to far more openings on the counter, and their wing play also became far less predictable and stale.
I couldn't disagree with you more re:spacing. Gomez was never on the level of Müller or Özil at creating space without the ball, but he was actually very good at it. I blame Löw as usual for what the team lacked in fluidity. IMO too many national team fans missed Gomez's playmaking because he looks lanky and awkward, and it didn't really manifest itself in a high assist rate. Others thought that a penalty area striker (not really a fair characterization of Gomez anyway) was an old, conservative obsession in violation of fluid or modern football, and an ideal striker should have more spectacular playmaking ability like a Benzema. I disagree; there's room for strikers without top level dribbling and passing even at the highest level.
Gomez better than Mandžukić?
He's still better today.
cgf
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Though there's much that he deserves blame for, you can't dump Gomez's clogging up of Bayern's attacks on Jogi.
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