I'm quite neutral toward "big-money" Bayern Munich. Not crazy about Thiago, was totally against how they dealt with Gomez and Kroos, wasn't into the nabbing of Gotze or Lewy... wasted 30mio on Benatia... Alonso at crazy high wages... Sanches for an
unbelievable amount...
Meh. I remember when they were celebrating getting Oddo on loan
Lell and Ottl were starting. Were dark-ish days but at least the organization had to get creative and develop talents. At this point they're just spending like a billionaire on his deathbed.
Gotze should stay and then figure out what to do after. Flip the finger to the arrogant board. How great would it be if he captures a starting place?
Yeah, but "big-money" Bayern have been "big-money" Bayern for a while now. The year before the Oddo loan they spent about 50 million net in the transfer market.
Ok, that's what I got, thanks!
Bayern deserved to lose money on Gomez and they deserve to lose money on Gotze if they push to sell him. They hoard German talent, have them perform well (Ballack, Kroos and Gomez especially) and then move onto the next toys and trinkets and undersell them or fall out with them.
On one hand they sold Gomez to a team that really wanted him and promised him playing time even at a loss, on the other hand their public chasing of Lewy and acquisition of Mandzukic was disrespectful to the man who was the 3rd most lethal goalscorer in Europe behind Messi and Ronaldo. What's the point of paying 30m+ for a star if you're not going to help accommodate him to be at his best? Even so, Gomez was not playing poorly nor was he not scoring. He scored in his final game in the German cup, in fact.
Gotze has disappointed but for Kalle to want to toss him out at a loss shows unbelievable levels of carelessness. Let the new coach, who is known for his man management, deal with him - you have all summer, afterall.
If we're going to sell every disappointing player on high salaries, why not Thiago? Benatia? Rafinha fell off a cliff. Bernat was great one season and (relatively speaking) awful the next. Why do they want to sell the one player who has potential to be the next great German footballer?
I don't think you're putting things into their proper context here. I actually agree with you to some extent, but I wouldn't say Bayern are simply moving on to the new shiny toy or just falling out with a player. For starters, the landscape at the very top of the game has changed quite a bit in a relatively short period of time. If Bayern are going to remain competitive then they need to change with the Jones'. Moving from Gomez to Mandzukic to Lewandowski is simply improving over time. If they don't go that route they're likely not as good or competitive as they are today. The level of competition at the very top is greater since Bayern last won the CL.
You're also not putting things into their proper context as regards the players themselves. I won't comment on Ballack or Gomez, though in Ballack's case I assume he wanted to move abroad and he reaped a huge windfall as regards his wages. With Kroos however he left as a result of his wage demands. Now you can argue that Bayern should have met them, fair enough, though if I recall correctly they were high considering how proven he was at the time. In fact he's not set the World on fire since leaving Bayern and I wouldn't be surprised if Madrid were willing to swap him for Thiago the latter's injury issues and all. The point is it's a two-way street and Kroos didn't get the wages he wanted and so he moved on. It wasn't just down to Bayern.
Regarding Gotze, I think there's context there as well. For starters, and this is something that plays to your argument, he was brought in despite apparently not being "wanted" by the manager. So that for me was a mistake. I also think that Guardiola and Ancelotti, assuming the commentary about the latter not wanting him is true, also deserve some blame for not utilizing the talent they have in such a player. However the player doesn't look good here either. You've been told that you're not in the incoming manager's plans, or at least your presumably been told that, and you're going to walk away from a chance to play? That doesn't send a good message at all. And it's not like he'd not be getting compensated as much. Still fair choice on his part, but from a competitiveness point of view it doesn't look good to a lot of people including prospective future employers.
Not sure why you're highlighting wages as I'm guessing that's only part of the equation from Bayern's end (realizing a fee before losing him for nothing being the obvious main reason), but even then examples you provide don't make a whole lot of sense. I don't know the details of Thiago's latest deal, but I'd be surprised if he's making more than Gotze. In fact based on Thiago's original deal with Bayern Gotze was making 50% more than Thiago was. Regardless of his wages, and again Gotze makes over 50% more than he does, Benatia has been rumored to be on his way out. Rafinha's wages aren't that bad and Bernat's aren't either. At the end of the day Goetze is one of Bayern's highest paid players and the wages of the names you mentioned aren't even comparable (depending on what Thiago now makes, but even then he's not a good example). Gotze makes almost as much as Neuer and Muller and isn't far from Robben, Ribery or Lahm.
I find more potential to keep the native, Bavarian German than Thiago with his ACL issues. Thiago has shown marginally more than Gotze overall, but frankly, he was really bad this year and I'm not too keen on either.
I miss my Toni so much. That little autistic ossi, he was so cute.
With all due respect you seem to prefer players who are German and at least in this instance want to get rid of only players who aren't German. And don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you on keeping players like Kroos who essentially came up through the club rather than bringing in someone else, though where I disagree is in the circumstances of that being the case as regards Kroos. Anyway, from what I've seen and more so pretty much everything I've read and heard Thiago as been marginally better than Gotze overall. Marginally better by a notable margin. I've also not heard or seen anything about him being "really bad" this year.
Like I said before, Kroos hasn't been setting the World on fire for Madrid. He's even been rumored to be on the block this Summer. Fair enough that you miss him for whatever reason though.
I know someone who spent some time with him on a recreational basis and he said he was really intense.
Dani Alves in talks with Juve.
Juve reach agreement with Berardi.
Berardi now? Juventus have done really well in the market for a few years now. I thought selling Vidal was a mistake, but if they can hold onto Pogba this Summer they will have a strong side with some good depth next season. I still think they're off the top tier of about 3-5 teams, but they're just off that pace.
