2016 NHL Draft - Part 3 - June 24th

[Eco]

Can't imagine we go with anyone other than Olli or Jakob. From what I've read, Chychrun is the more physical player and has a solid 15lbs more to him that Olli. I wouldn't mind seeing us go D with both picks in the first round and then (hopefully) snag Gustavsson (G) with our 37th OA.

 

[Mosby]

Curious to see where Chychrun ends up in Button's final rankings. I'm thinking early teens. I could see him sliding, but not that low. Did the same with Hanifin in last year's rankings.

 

[Eco]

How much non-NHL hockey do you watch? See, I don't watch any, unless it's U.S.A. in a tournament. So my analysis is 100% based on what others say and what I've read.

 

[Mosby]

Primarily OHL, if not NHL. There are probably a dozen or so teams within an hour or two drive of me -- I really need to take better advantage of that. Fortunately there are a lot of OHL guys around our pick this year. Tkachuk, Nylander, Juolevi, Sergachev, Chychrun, Brown. Even someone like McLeod, who seems to be a bit of a forgotten man. Beyond that, any draft knowledge I'd have is based on videos, rankings, or other insights.

 

[rt]

Can't imagine we go with anyone other than Olli or Jakob. From what I've read, Chychrun is the more physical player and has a solid 15lbs more to him that Olli. I wouldn't mind seeing us go D with both picks in the first round and then (hopefully) snag Gustavsson (G) with our 37th OA.

37 is too early to take a goalie. 53 or 67 is the absolute earliest we should burn a pick on a goalie.

RE: #7 - I sure hope Chayka has the common sense to take the highest rated player on their list still available at that pick, rather than foolishly picking for positional need.

 

[lanky]

You were saying?

Yeah, bad timing! Released just hours after I said that.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

Kind of surprised by that. Heard he was very impressive at the combine, for the physical testing component at least.

Scouts prob see he is a physical specimen and wonder why he hasn't been better. When you have a build of a 25yo and are playing against 160lb 17yo's people wonder about the offensive upside I imagine

 

[boredmale]

Yeah, bad timing! Released just hours after I said that.

My guess is when they were doing up their list, they asked themselves how can we be different so we can get people to click our site so then they read your post and said that's it,we'll move Nylander to 12th.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Scouts prob see he is a physical specimen and wonder why he hasn't been better. When you have a build of a 25yo and are playing against 160lb 17yo's people wonder about the offensive upside I imagine

I haven't looked it up but in the gauthier thread they're saying fans of the qmjhl and his team in particular said his game dropped off big time half way through the year too. So poor second half play while being a physical specimen is likely the knock on him. I don't know how far he actually drops still though. If Mcavoy and fabbro are both gone at 20 and he's there that would be a good get.

 

[rt]

Scouts prob see he is a physical specimen and wonder why he hasn't been better. When you have a build of a 25yo and are playing against 160lb 17yo's people wonder about the offensive upside I imagine

He knocked in a bunch of goals.

 

[BUX7PHX]

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-matthews-no-1-because-position-matters-1.503562

Further thought that none of us knows what is going on after the top 3-5

 

[hbk]

Curious to see where Chychrun ends up in Button's final rankings. I'm thinking early teens. I could see him sliding, but not that low. Did the same with Hanifin in last year's rankings.

brown 7
Chychrun 17

 

[BUX7PHX]

None of the top 6 D ranked below #17.

#10-#15 is just ripe to get any one of those defensemen. Trade back from #7. Really tighten the screws on the trade value if one of Brown or Tkachuk is somehow there. If PLD is there, take him. I don't know if any of those three make it to us, Brown being most likely candidate. The 6 D prospects are now way too close in value to risk choosing the wrong one at #7.

 

[Mosby]

brown 7
Chychrun 17

In no way do I see Chychrun the last selected of Juolevi, Sergachev, Bean, McAvoy, and Fabbro.

Also don't see Keller going Top 10. Just outside of it, yes, but not Top 10.

Most surprising from Craig's list? Max Jones at 42. That's a gift if he's still there.

Adam Brooks at 53? He's 20 years old.

 

[hbk]

In no way do I see Chychrun the last selected of Juolevi, Sergachev, Bean, McAvoy, and Fabbro.

Also don't see Keller going Top 10. Just outside of it, yes, but not Top 10.

Most surprising from Craig's list? Max Jones at 42. That's a gift if he's still there.

Adam Brooks at 53? He's 20 years old.

I'm just happy because the lists are reflecting the rise in Brown and fall in Chychrun that I predicted after U18s. I thought I was losing my mind when people started questioning those comments. I worried that what I was witnessing live in Fargo wasn't as apparent on tv.

 

[Jakey53]

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-matthews-no-1-because-position-matters-1.503562

Further thought that none of us knows what is going on after the top 3-5

brown 7
Chychrun 17

Except hbk.

 

[Woodhouse]

Drafted for ARI in the mod mock .. Jost: iq, compete, two-way, versatile, high floor, ideal college program to develop .. passed on Brown, Juolevi, Keller, Nylander, Sergachev at 7th, which is probably a point of debate for most depending on what you value; looks like Brown's the favorite around these parts .. went defense with the next three: McAvoy, Dineen, Cholowski.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

Dineen 22 and Max Jones 42

Button - as always - challenges the usual rankings. It is adding to the draft intrigue.

 

[PhoPhan]

Drafted for ARI in the mod mock .. Jost: iq, compete, two-way, versatile, high floor, ideal college program to develop .. passed on Brown, Juolevi, Keller, Nylander, Sergachev at 7th, which is probably a point of debate for most depending on what you value; looks like Brown's the favorite around these parts .. went defense with the next three: McAvoy, Dineen, Cholowski.

I'd do backflips over this haul. I'll film it.

 

[mouser]

Drafted for ARI in the mod mock .. Jost: iq, compete, two-way, versatile, high floor, ideal college program to develop .. passed on Brown, Juolevi, Keller, Nylander, Sergachev at 7th, which is probably a point of debate for most depending on what you value; looks like Brown's the favorite around these parts .. went defense with the next three: McAvoy, Dineen, Cholowski.

Woodhouse was kind enough to agree with all my top recommendations, so if anyone dislikes the picks, feel free to direct your angst at me

Thought process:
#7 Tyson Jost, C. Not sold that BPA at #7 was a defenseman. Passed on Keller and Nylander as wings, thought it was more important to add a C to the prospect pool if the value was close. High chance Keller ends up at wing in the NHL. In the end gave a slight edge to Jost over Brown as the more consistent prospect. Jost appears to have that 2-way game that playoff teams covet, in addition to high offensive upside.

#20 Charlie McAvoy, RHD. Was a no-brainer. Drafting a forward at #7 the plan was hoping one of the defensemen would slip to #20 and McAvoy was the only one of the upper tier that did.

#37 Cam Dineen, LHD. Liked the descriptions I've seen of Dineen. Was already leaning towards D here, and a run on forwards in the early 2nd round confirmed to me that defense was the best value. Dineen seemed the best of the options there to me (considered Dineen, Cholowski, Allard, Girard and Fox). Lots of dmen projected in the early 2nd round from the lists I've seen, yet it didn't run that way in the mod draft.

#53 Dennis Cholowski, LHD. Could be a boom or bust prospect, have seen him anywhere from early 2d round to mid 3rd round, seemed like very good value at 53. Off to a good situation in the NCAA to let him put on some weight and develop.

Did my best to restock the Coyotes defensive prospect pipeline. I expect the full moderator mock draft will be posted possibly as soon as tonight, it's almost completed.


Edit: amusingly just looked at Button's new list today and saw all four of these players are in his top 26. Dunno if that a positive takeaway or not.

 

[rt]

That's fantastic mouser! Great draft. Well done. I'd be so happy with that set of players. I'd have been nervous/angry/scared from pick 8-19 but after pick 20 Id be satisfied and by pick 54, I'd be thrilled.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

I'm just happy because the lists are reflecting the rise in Brown and fall in Chychrun that I predicted after U18s. I thought I was losing my mind when people started questioning those comments. I worried that what I was witnessing live in Fargo wasn't as apparent on tv.

With Chychurn I think it's more about each individuals though on how likely he is to hit his ceiling. Sure with every prospect it's like that but when your looking at a guy that was ranked #2 last year on many lists, it amplifies the situation. You're assessment could be spot on, don't doubt yourself.

That said, I think he's better than #17

 

[Heldig]

Drafted for ARI in the mod mock .. Jost: iq, compete, two-way, versatile, high floor, ideal college program to develop .. passed on Brown, Juolevi, Keller, Nylander, Sergachev at 7th, which is probably a point of debate for most depending on what you value; looks like Brown's the favorite around these parts .. went defense with the next three: McAvoy, Dineen, Cholowski.

Is it posted yet?

 

[mouser]

Is it posted yet?

Not yet, maybe tonight. Worst case tomorrow I'd expect.

 

[DomiToDuclair]

I haven't changed my opinion of Juolevi, but if we draft a dman at 20 I would be fine with a forward at 7.

Forwards for 7:

Jost, Tkachuk, PLD

Defense at 7:

Juolevi --> Chychrun ---> Sergachev

Forwards at 20:

Jones, Brown, Keller, Bellows.

D at 20:

Fabbro, McAvoy, any of the "top" 3 D, maybe even Niemalainen. Not sure I want Stanley.