2016 NHL Draft - Part 3 - June 24th

[Mosby]

Rabbit gets the belt tonight for having the wherewithal to tackle the Matthews thread

 

[Bonsai Tree]

Rabbit gets the belt tonight for having the wherewithal to tackle the Matthews thread

Silly Wabbit!

 

[RABBIT]

Rabbit gets the belt tonight for having the wherewithal to tackle the Matthews thread

It was a friggin nightmare in there! I did my absolute best to fend them off.

 

[Alberta Yote]

At least the thread is now closed. Woohoo

Jimmy Murphy or whatever his name is a one day genius though. Picked a great topic to throw out there.

1 overall for Kessel and Pitts '17 1st rounder. I could do this.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

The absurdity in that thread was on another level.

So Matthews hits on all measures and is a 100pt player. (there was 1 player who scored 100pts last season) Great.

Domi just finished 1st year as 50pt player, could potentially see him in the low 70s
Strome projects well, if he hits on all measures he's a PPG #1 center.
Dvorak looks like a O'Reilly clone to me, who is a 60pt player

I'm not trading 70pts + 80pts + 60pts + + + + for 100pts ABSURD

I like our team now, I have 'zero' interest giving up the pieces it would take to move into the #1 slot.

Draft Brown then Fabbro or McAvoy with the 20th pick, then Dineen in the 2nd round and then Asplund with the late 2nd and we'll call it good.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

The absurdity in that thread was on another level.

So Matthews hits on all measures and is a 100pt player. (there was 1 player who scored 100pts last season) Great.

Domi just finished 1st year as 50pt player, could potentially see him in the low 70s
Strome projects well, if he hits on all measures he's a PPG #1 center.
Dvorak looks like a O'Reilly clone to me, who is a 60pt player

I'm not trading 70pts + 80pts + 60pts + + + + for 100pts ABSURD

I like our team now, I have 'zero' interest giving up the pieces it would take to move into the #1 slot.

Draft Brown then Fabbro or McAvoy with the 20th pick, then Dineen in the 2nd round and then Asplund with the late 2nd and we'll call it good.

Those projections are probably a little high when you consider our system. Either way though, I'm with you that there is no way in hell I move that package for AM.

 

[Grimes]

Those projections are probably a little high when you consider our system. Either way though, I'm with you that there is no way in hell I move that package for AM.

Agreed but 60, 70, 50 is still better than 100.

 

[rt]

Matthews will never score 100pts. He's a point-per-game guy if things go well.

 

[hbk]

Matthews will never score 100pts. He's a point-per-game guy if things go well.

Yep.

And Strome projects as a 1C who will likely be putting up Kopitar like numbers (high 60's-70+ points per year on average) was rated as THE top rated drafted prospect in all of hockey, was Canada's top player at WJC, yet still sucks according to collective brain trust on main board.

If the prediction of a Joe Thornton or Ron Francis type careers hold weight there will be a lot of people who should feel embarrassed.

Of course I was told years ago that Shane Doan wasn't worth a young rookie out of NY who had put together a 30 goal season. The infamous "he's never scored 30" argument which is very similar to the Hanzals just a 40 point C that make me bust a gut all the time ( if you lead with points on Hanzal then you obviously aren't in touch with what he brings to a team). Within a couple seasons we acquired that player out of New York for peanuts and he was playing overseas shortly after. Shane Doan scored 30 and has a very good career. Not worth that 30 goal scorer who accomplished it once and was out of the league within a handful of years though.

There's a lot of people who post who watch score sheets not games. So apparent.

 

[Eco]

Nothing new to add other than I hope AZ doesn't really throw all their eggs into the Mathews basket. Drafting has gone well recently so keep up the good trend and try to make a play for some UFA's.

 

[hbk]

Nothing new to add other than I hope AZ doesn't really throw all their eggs into the Mathews basket. Drafting has gone well recently so keep up the good trend and try to make a play for some UFA's.

Tippett runs things. He's not giving away his only top D, all his top players and prospects to finish dead last next year. He got his GM fired for doing less of a tank job. Tippett wants to be competitive THIS year. That's the bigger threat right now. Trading future for immediate needs.

 

[rt]

So if Columbus doesn't have Puljujarvi ranked 3rd and they really want a center, won't they just pick Dubois? Puljujarvi dropping to 4th probably motivates Edmonton to just pick. Vancouver also wants a center and there are prominent Brown rumors out there. If we call them and plainly state our interest in Tkachuk, they'd be facing little risk that a center rich team like Calgary takes Brown over Nylander or Jost. The Flames want wingers. It's a bit of a gamble but odds are good Brown would be at 7 if we pick Tkachuk at 5. Benning just lost his early 2nd rounder in the Gudbranson deal. I'd give up ours to move from 7 to 5 and draft Tkachuk.

 

[hbk]

So if Columbus doesn't have Puljujarvi ranked 3rd and they really want a center, won't they just pick Dubois? Puljujarvi dropping to 4th probably motivates Edmonton to just pick. Vancouver also wants a center and there are prominent Brown rumors out there. If we call them and plainly state our interest in Tkachuk, they'd be facing little risk that a center rich team like Calgary takes Brown over Nylander or Jost. The Flames want wingers. It's a bit of a gamble but odds are good Brown would be at 7 if we pick Tkachuk at 5. Benning just lost his early 2nd rounder in the Gudbranson deal. I'd give up ours to move from 7 to 5 and draft Tkachuk.

If Brown pans out he becomes a dominant every situation player. There's an argument about how his unique blend of skill and size could make him the most dominant player available after top 2. When Button says he could go Top 5 he's saying that if u think he's got that much runway in terms of development room with his size and strength he could be a franchise player. A dominant force.

 

[Mosby]

The folks over at FFH/SB Nation are running a mock draft. Here's how the top 7 played out:

1 Toronto Matthews
2 Winnipeg Laine
3 Columbus Puljujarvi
4 Edmonton Dubois
5 Vancouver Juolevi
6 Calgary Tkachuk
7 Arizona Chychrun

 

[hbk]

Ugggghhhhh

 

[Mosby]

Final rankings from McKeens: http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft/

Personally not a huge fan of them but some interesting insight nonetheless.

FYI - they have McLeod at 7

 

[hbk]

Final rankings from McKeens: http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft/

Personally not a huge fan of them but some interesting insight nonetheless.

FYI - they have McLeod at 7

They had McLeod at 1 for awhile this year. Great speed. Only one speed though. Fast. Hands don't match speed but still top 2C/3C potential. Did I mention he's fast? Was awful at U18s but must have been injured as he looked up there with Nylander in terms of skill and impact I fear he's more Steven Reinprecht than Mike Modano.

 

[moosemeister]

Final rankings from McKeens: http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft/

Personally not a huge fan of them but some interesting insight nonetheless.

FYI - they have McLeod at 7

Anyone have insight on McLeod?

Quick Google search shows he's right handed shot. If he's got good upside and doesn't seem like a reach I'd be okay with it. I like Logan Brown more cuz of the size, but would be okay with McLeod cuz the handedness.

 

[Mosby]

Grew up on the same street as Dylan Strome.

 

[BUX7PHX]

I think that 100% the top 6 will include the following 5 players, but the order is going to be totally jumbled after Matthews and Laine:

Matthews
Laine
Puljujarvi
PLD
Tkachuk

The last player within that top 6 is one of the following:
Brown
Juolevi
Nylander
Sergachev
Jost

No real reason for us to trade up and I don't think that a really good player is going to drop to us at #7. Not anticipating Tkachuk or PLD to be passed on, and if a team does pass on them and go off the board, plenty of teams will also be better trade candidates (If you are EDM, VAN, or CGY, why trade back with an in-division rival??)

Hoping that one of the top 6 D falls to us at #20 is not a good thing. HOPE IS NOT A STRATEGY. I would rather take a guy 5 spots early and guarantee that we get him, as opposed to hoping that the player falls to us. I almost guarantee that every defenseman of the top 6 D will be gone by #18.

Either use the pick at #7 or trade back to the #10-15 range.

 

[DesertDawg]

... in 2 more weeks

 

[Jakey53]

Tippett runs things. He's not giving away his only top D, all his top players and prospects to finish dead last next year. He got his GM fired for doing less of a tank job. Tippett wants to be competitive THIS year. That's the bigger threat right now. Trading future for immediate needs.

I think DM got DM fired not DT. I'm also a bit worried trading future for immediate help. Next year I could see it, but not this year.

 

[PhoPhan]

If none of the top defenseman are there at 20, it's because someone else you like fell. No need to panic.

That said, I'll be disappointed if the Coyotes take McLeod at 20. I'll throw a fit if they take him at 7.

 

[samabam]

The folks over at FFH/SB Nation are running a mock draft. Here's how the top 7 played out:

1 Toronto Matthews
2 Winnipeg Laine
3 Columbus Puljujarvi
4 Edmonton Dubois
5 Vancouver Juolevi
6 Calgary Tkachuk
7 Arizona Chychrun

I dont think the Canucks would take Juolevi at #5, seems very high for me.
If the draft played out like that I would hope that we pick Brown. I actually dont see any of the 3 big Defenders (Juolevi, Chychrun, Sergaychev) going before we pick and all of them bring question marks with them, so that I dont want us to pick one of them.

 

[rt]

How I'm feeling right now. Based on nothing worthwhile.

Top Seven (in order)
1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Tkachuk
5. Dubois
6. Brown
7. Jost

Next Three (no order)
8. Chychrun/Juolevi/Sergachev
9. Chychrun/Juolevi/Sergachev
10.Chychrun/Juolevi/Sergachev

Next Three (in order)
11.Keller
12.Nylander
13.McLeod

Next Two (no order)
14.Fabbro/McAvoy
15.Fabrro/McAvoy

Next Two (no order)
16.Bellows/Kunin
17.Bellows/Kunin

Next Three (no order)
18.Bean/Gauthier/Jones
19.Bean/Gauthier/Jones
20.Bean/Gauthier/Jones

Next Four (in order)
21.Thompson
22.DeBrincat
23.Asplund
24.Dineen

A bunch of HMs (no order)
Cholowski
Hajek
Stanley
Bastian
Abramov
Howden
Steel
Rubtsov
Tufte
Clague
Johansen
Raddysh
Girard
Dube


I feel like this draft is pretty "meh".

1-5 = stronger than average. Barely.
6-10 = weaker than average. Solidly.
11-20 = stronger than average. Notably.
21-60 = weaker than average. Notably.

If we can get Tkachuk in the four or five spot and keep pick 20, I think we'll get better than average kids at those spots, and will thus have had a strong draft.