2016 NHL Draft - Part 3 - June 24th

[Jakey53]

You have Hamilton as first pairing. He played 2nd pairing in Calgary. We have a 1D. No 1C. Only way to acquire 1C is via draft. We did just that. I think Maloney made right call.

As others have mentioned the 3oa was not included. That's what I thought, but who really knows.

 

[hbk]

As others have mentioned the 3oa was not included. That's what I thought, but who really knows.

Our offer and their ask are two different things.

Boston wanted Hanifin who could step in immediately to replace Hamilton.

 

[rt]

Seems steep for Carolina.

Yep.

McKeown more likely?

Yep.

 

[tucknroll]

You have Hamilton as first pairing. He played 2nd pairing in Calgary. We have a 1D. No 1C. Only way to acquire 1C is via draft. We did just that. I think Maloney made right call.

Thats because Hamilton is young and they have a first pairing already so they didn't need him to jump into first line role this year, though he did finsish the year with Brodie on the 1st line and was on first line PP. The kid is without a doubt a top line D already though. He was already 1st pairing in Boston for a while when he was 21

I feel like Nashville just traded a less potential #1 D than Hamilton for a #1 C this year, and in no way is Jones as good as Johansen, Nashville won that trade easily, but high quality D is more valuable and hard to come by, so take the value when its cheap, just like Barrie is right now, Arizona should be pushing hard to acquire him.
and all those centremen they could have drafted at #13-#14 have first line potential as well, if not VERY high quality second line centre, i'd rather have at minimum a top end 2C and first pairing D over Strome, and if they turn into a 1C and a 1D (not out of any question) then Arizona makes out like bandits, not to mention theres less of a risk factor with Hamilton than there was with Strome because Hamilton had already proven he can play in the NHL where as Strome was still a question mark
Im not saying Maloney didn't make they right call because idk what Boston was offering, just like no was was, I'm just saying if they could have pushed and got Hamilton and a first for #3OV and maybe a second or something along those lines i wouldn't have even second guessed myself

 

[rt]

^ well I'm sure glad Maloney was driving and not you. Yeesh.

 

[hbk]

Thats because Hamilton is young and they have a first pairing already so they didn't need him to jump into first line role this year, though he did finsish the year with Brodie on the 1st line and was on first line PP. The kid is without a doubt a top line D already though. He was already 1st pairing in Boston for a while when he was 21

I feel like Nashville just traded a less potential #1 D than Hamilton for a #1 C this year, and in no way is Jones as good as Johansen, Nashville won that trade easily, but high quality D is more valuable and hard to come by, so take the value when its cheap, just like Barrie is right now, Arizona should be pushing hard to acquire him.
and all those centremen they could have drafted at #13-#14 have first line potential as well, if not VERY high quality second line centre, i'd rather have at minimum a top end 2C and first pairing D over Strome, and if they turn into a 1C and a 1D (not out of any question) then Arizona makes out like bandits, not to mention theres less of a risk factor with Hamilton than there was with Strome because Hamilton had already proven he can play in the NHL where as Strome was still a question mark
Im not saying Maloney didn't make they right call because idk what Boston was offering, just like no was was, I'm just saying if they could have pushed and got Hamilton and a first for #3OV and maybe a second or something along those lines i wouldn't have even second guessed myself

I think I'll just be content having drafted the top rated drafted prospect in the NHL.

I like Hamilton. He just isn't worth a 1C.

 

[RABBIT]

Conspiracy theories rule the hockey trade world. 3rd OV was never in play.

There is some evidence saying it wasn't in play, there is pure speculation that it was in play. While I'm not the biggest fan of Tipp, most fans who believe that to be true are just looking for more evidence that Tippett is out to turn this franchise into a retirement home.

Get the **** over it.

 

[Jormungandr]

Would 13 and Hayden Fleury be appealing enough?

Haydn Fleury is the name that I kept thinking of in a trade for 7th overall. I like him a bit more than any of the top 3 available defensemen in this draft, and he already has 2 years of development. Carolina has the depth on D to make a trade like this and puts them in position to draft a center. (Brown or Keller)

 

[Jakey53]

Conspiracy theories rule the hockey trade world. 3rd OV was never in play.

There is some evidence saying it wasn't in play, there is pure speculation that it was in play. While I'm not the biggest fan of Tipp, most fans who believe that to be true are just looking for more evidence that Tippett is out to turn this franchise into a retirement home.

Get the **** over it.

Yup. Some just like to live in the past.

 

[hbk]

Conspiracy theories rule the hockey trade world. 3rd OV was never in play.

There is some evidence saying it wasn't in play, there is pure speculation that it was in play. While I'm not the biggest fan of Tipp, most fans who believe that to be true are just looking for more evidence that Tippett is out to turn this franchise into a retirement home.

Get the **** over it.

Yup. Some just like to live in the past.

understanding past is how we can determine where franchise is going and more particularly what we will do with our draft picks and prospects.

I'm concerned about Tippetts influence on personnel but willing to see if those fears are justified. I still like Tippett as coach but that topic has been discussed to death.

We will have clear direction in literally 2 weeks.

 

[Jakey53]

Haydn Fleury is the name that I kept thinking of in a trade for 7th overall. I like him a bit more than any of the top 3 available defensemen in this draft, and he already has 2 years of development. Carolina has the depth on D to make a trade like this and puts them in position to draft a center. (Brown or Keller)

Has his game progressed? His stats don't show it, but that is only one part of the puzzle.

 

[Heldig]

If Brown is still available at 7 then I don't make that trade. Fleury is NHL ready and would be a good LHD behind OEL.

 

[Jakey53]

understanding past is how we can determine where franchise is going and more particularly what we will do with our draft picks and prospects.

I'm concerned about Tippetts influence on personnel but willing to see if those fears are justified. I still like Tippett as coach but that topic has been discussed to death.

We will have clear direction in literally 2 weeks.

Maybe if DM was still here. The Coyotes made FO changes for a reason, so what ever happened in the past could be out the window. Like you said, in two weeks we will have a clearer picture.

 

[hbk]

Maybe if DM was still here. The Coyotes made FO changes for a reason, so what ever happened in the past could be out the window. Like you said, in two weeks we will have a clearer picture.

The reasons why DM gone are very telling about the focus going forward.

 

[hbk]

If Brown is still available at 7 then I don't make that trade. Fleury is NHL ready and would be a good LHD behind OEL.

Amazing how high Brown has risen in a month.

Gotta think all these top 3-5 rumours are partially driven to scare the teams that are sitting in the weeds hoping he falls to them.

 

[Mosby]

Save me a spot on the Brown bandwagon. My Top 10 as of today:

1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Tkachuk
5. Dubois
6. Brown
7. Sergachev
8. Juolevi
9. Nylander
10. Chychrun

 

[Matias Maccete]

Conspiracy theories rule the hockey trade world. 3rd OV was never in play.

There is some evidence saying it wasn't in play, there is pure speculation that it was in play. While I'm not the biggest fan of Tipp, most fans who believe that to be true are just looking for more evidence that Tippett is out to turn this franchise into a retirement home.

Get the **** over it.

I could be remembering this incorrectly, but I think the problem was there was a source saying tippett and drummond were angry that trade didn't happen with an implication that the third would've been offered. So while no it was never in play, I think that's where the rumor came from. Still a lot of ifs and maybes in there, and I'd like to think that no matter how focused on the present tip and drummond may be, they'd know that trade is just brutally bad.

 

[ClassLessCoyote]

I don't see any of the 1st 10 picks being traded but picks from 4-10 can be anyone's guess of who will end up where.

 

[PhoPhan]

While we're checking in, here's my top 40 as of today. I'll be researching until the day of the draft and will post my final rankings that day, but I'm thinking there won't be a ton of movement between now and then.

1) Auston Matthews
2) Patrik Laine
3) Clayton Keller
4) Jesse Puljujarvi
5) Tyson Jost
6) Pierre-Luc Dubois
7) Max Jones
8) Charlie McAvoy
9) Matthew Tkachuk
10) Dante Fabbro
11) Logan Brown
12) Jakob Chychrun
13) Mikhail Sergachev
14) Kieffer Bellows
15) Olli Juolevi
16) Luke Kunin
17) Julien Gauthier
18) Pascal Laberge
19) German Rubtsov
20) Riley Tufte
21) Alex Nylander
22) Givani Smith
23) Kale Clague
24) Jonathan Dahlen
25) Tyler Benson
26) Vitali Abramov
27) Sean Day
28) Tage Thompson
29) Libor Hajek
30) Rasmus Asplund
31) Dennis Cholowski
32) Cam Dineen
33) Wade Allison
34) Adam Mascherin
35) Nathan Bastian
36) Michael McLeod
37) Jake Bean
38) Chad Krys
39) Lucas Johansen
40) Cliff Pu

 

[kihekah19*]

Conspiracy theories rule the hockey trade world. 3rd OV was never in play.

There is some evidence saying it wasn't in play, there is pure speculation that it was in play. While I'm not the biggest fan of Tipp, most fans who believe that to be true are just looking for more evidence that Tippett is out to turn this franchise into a retirement home.

Get the **** over it.

Correct and I've told them over and over that 3OV wasn't in play, but they choose to believe what has been said (in order to save face) after the fact.

 

[kihekah19*]

Save me a spot on the Brown bandwagon. My Top 10 as of today:

1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Tkachuk
5. Dubois
6. Brown
7. Sergachev
8. Juolevi
9. Nylander
10. Chychrun

You're missing Keller and he could very well be right at 7OV.

 

[kihekah19*]

While we're checking in, here's my top 40 as of today. I'll be researching until the day of the draft and will post my final rankings that day, but I'm thinking there won't be a ton of movement between now and then.

1) Auston Matthews
2) Patrik Laine
3) Clayton Keller
4) Jesse Puljujarvi
5) Tyson Jost
6) Pierre-Luc Dubois
7) Max Jones
8) Charlie McAvoy
9) Matthew Tkachuk
10) Dante Fabbro
11) Logan Brown
12) Jakob Chychrun
13) Mikhail Sergachev
14) Kieffer Bellows
15) Olli Juolevi
16) Luke Kunin
17) Julien Gauthier
18) Pascal Laberge
19) German Rubtsov
20) Riley Tufte
21) Alex Nylander
22) Givani Smith
23) Kale Clague
24) Jonathan Dahlen
25) Tyler Benson
26) Vitali Abramov
27) Sean Day
28) Tage Thompson
29) Libor Hajek
30) Rasmus Asplund
31) Dennis Cholowski
32) Cam Dineen
33) Wade Allison
34) Adam Mascherin
35) Nathan Bastian
36) Michael McLeod
37) Jake Bean
38) Chad Krys
39) Lucas Johansen
40) Cliff Pu

Wow! I'm not that high on Keller, but at least you have him in the top ten.

 

[hbk]

While we're checking in, here's my top 40 as of today. I'll be researching until the day of the draft and will post my final rankings that day, but I'm thinking there won't be a ton of movement between now and then.

1) Auston Matthews
2) Patrik Laine
3) Clayton Keller
4) Jesse Puljujarvi
5) Tyson Jost
6) Pierre-Luc Dubois
7) Max Jones
8) Charlie McAvoy
9) Matthew Tkachuk
10) Dante Fabbro
11) Logan Brown
12) Jakob Chychrun
13) Mikhail Sergachev
14) Kieffer Bellows
15) Olli Juolevi
16) Luke Kunin
17) Julien Gauthier
18) Pascal Laberge
19) German Rubtsov
20) Riley Tufte
21) Alex Nylander
22) Givani Smith
23) Kale Clague
24) Jonathan Dahlen
25) Tyler Benson
26) Vitali Abramov
27) Sean Day
28) Tage Thompson
29) Libor Hajek
30) Rasmus Asplund
31) Dennis Cholowski
32) Cam Dineen
33) Wade Allison
34) Adam Mascherin
35) Nathan Bastian
36) Michael McLeod
37) Jake Bean
38) Chad Krys
39) Lucas Johansen
40) Cliff Pu

Really respect your opinion. Glad you put this out.

I disagree with some rankings but awesome job nonetheless.

I freaking love Jones. He's the guy I'm hoping falls to 20.

 

[PhoPhan]

Really respect your opinion. Glad you put this out.

I disagree with some rankings but awesome job nonetheless.

I freaking love Jones. He's the guy I'm hoping falls to 20.

Thanks! And likewise across the board. I still remember you sounding the alarms on Peter Mueller back when he was floating around in Everett.

I can't remember seeing a player like Jones for a long time. There's a pattern of teams reaching for unskilled power forwards in the hopes that they turn out like Milan Lucic (e.g. Tom Wilson and Tyler Biggs), but I project Jones to be even better than Lucic. He's going to be a terror. That said, with how heavily London must have been scouted this season, I'd be genuinely shocked if he was sitting there at 20 (and disgusted to the same degree if the Coyotes were to pass on him there).

But if the Coyotes can grab someone from my top 11 at #7 and then someone from my top 22 at #20, I'll be more than satisfied. The draft is thin at the top (Laine and Matthews should be studs, but there's a steep dropoff from there), but there's a lot of depth in the first round. I'm very worried that the Coyotes' draft board looks nothing like mine, though. I've got nightmares of coming away with like, Juolevi and McLeod or Nylander and Raddysh or Bean and DeBrincat.

 

[rt]

Jones isn't intimidating or violent, though. Tom Wilson changes a team. Lucic in his prime did the same. Jones won't ever be as big, strong, intimidating or violent as those two. They can take over games and series of games with their special quality. It's not a quality Jones has displayed and I have no reason to suspect he'll ever bring that to the table. What makes them the impact players they are is something Jones doesn't have. These are 6'3-6-4 230-240lb monsters that will hit to injure, play dirty, jump someone, fight all comers, and absolutely physically devastate their opponents. They rearrange faces.

Jones mouths off a lot. He goes hard to the net. He'll lay hits. He walks the line. But he doesn't fight or attack people, he's significantly smaller than those two, and nobody is afraid of him. Not saying he isn't an interesting prospect. I just don't see the Lucic or Wilson comparisons. More like Raffi Torres or Dustin Brown or Cal Clutterbuck.