Matias Maccete
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2016 NHL Draft - Part 3 - June 24th
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DomiToDuclair
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reading this thread makes me disappointed in the lack of Juolevi hype
Someday years from now Juolevi will be shutting down our entire team and we'll wish we had drafted the safe, high floor dman after Chychrun busts and Sergachev goes back to RUS
The NHL is becoming more and more fixated on offense from their defenseman, but I think Juolevi is exactly what we need. Look at all the talent we have up front. Juolevi doesn't need to put up points to be successful on this team in the future, and outside of OEL has a high chance of being the best defensive defenseman we could have, plus won't ever be a liability offensively either.
Someday years from now Juolevi will be shutting down our entire team and we'll wish we had drafted the safe, high floor dman after Chychrun busts and Sergachev goes back to RUS
The NHL is becoming more and more fixated on offense from their defenseman, but I think Juolevi is exactly what we need. Look at all the talent we have up front. Juolevi doesn't need to put up points to be successful on this team in the future, and outside of OEL has a high chance of being the best defensive defenseman we could have, plus won't ever be a liability offensively either.
I wouldn't mind drafting him at #7 since by the time he's ready, he'll be exactly what we need (he's often described as a budding two-way d-man) once he's NHL-ready.
Matias Maccete
Chopping up defenses
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reading this thread makes me disappointed in the lack of Juolevi hype
Someday years from now Juolevi will be shutting down our entire team and we'll wish we had drafted the safe, high floor dman after Chychrun busts and Sergachev goes back to RUS
The NHL is becoming more and more fixated on offense from their defenseman, but I think Juolevi is exactly what we need. Look at all the talent we have up front. Juolevi doesn't need to put up points to be successful on this team in the future, and outside of OEL has a high chance of being the best defensive defenseman we could have, plus won't ever be a liability offensively either.
If our scouts pick him I won't really be disappointed because they've earned the benefit of the doubt big time, but every time I've seen him he's been very very average. I just don't see the potential for him being a top pairing dman, and at 7 I don't think you take a guy like that.
Just from what I can gather, Nylander is a huge talent. Never seen him play, just highlights.
Talent and effort and consistency are different things.
I love his talent but am frustrated by his inconsistent effort levels. Disappears often.
I think ranking Keller in that 7-12 discounts his skill somewhat. On skill alone he could be in top 5. He's a name that I look at in that 7-10 range and I try to nitpick reasons not to take him yet he's the prototypical playmaking C. 1 st line talent.
I think it's always like this. 4-12 is literally pick your poison. Keller for example could be in top 5 on a few lists. brown the same. Others have those players past 10. It all depends on what you think upside is. My opinions are hardened because of what I've seen this year and I've really started to watch more junior hockey as I age. It's 25 years for me since I started following the draft. Blame a long road trip and a purchased copy of the Eric Lindros THN draft preview we took Aaron ward over the next Thomas Steen (Peter Forsberg) who was ranked in 20's which at the time was a 2nd round forecast.
When Lamorelolo announced Scott Niedermayer I was hooked. When I met Lou in April I shook his hand and thanked him for that.
Two months ago if you would have mentioned the word Brown, Jost or Keller to name a few, most on this board would not know who the hell your were talking about. It wasn't until you mentioned Brown that most of us took notice. Maybe it's just me, and I don't follow the draft as close as you, but I have never seen so many risers so late in the year, and I don't mean one or two spots. Do you still have Brown at #7?
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I usually have a guy I want, even in this range.
This year? Nobody does it for me. That's probably because I watched fewer amateur games this seasonthan any time in the last four or five years. And the guys outside of the top five I've been able to see were just...meh.
This year? Nobody does it for me. That's probably because I watched fewer amateur games this seasonthan any time in the last four or five years. And the guys outside of the top five I've been able to see were just...meh.
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I'd be surprised if Tkachuk is ever a consistent 30+ guy. But I'd also be surprised if he's not a consistent 20+ goal guy. There are only three other players in this draft I can say the last bit about. There are only four players that I'd actually be surprised if they failed to become impact NHL players. The rest? It's a good chance.
The price to get into the top three is probably way too high. So the #4 spot is really appealing. But it's also appealing to probably 4-5 other teams who could get into a serious bidding war. I'm not interested in paying too much.
The price to get into the top three is probably way too high. So the #4 spot is really appealing. But it's also appealing to probably 4-5 other teams who could get into a serious bidding war. I'm not interested in paying too much.
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I don't think I'd even take Nylander at 20. He's a high end playmaker with terrific agility, but as others have noted, his effort level comes and goes, especially outside of the offensive zone. As a one-dimensional scoring wing, you need to be an absolutely dominant offensive player to make up for his other shortcomings, and Nylander has been less than that. I'd expect him to be a productive middle six wing good for 50 or occasionally 60 points a year (not unlike Boedker, but probably more of a shooter), but without bringing anything else to the table, that's not worth a top ten pick.
If we draft Keller we would prob send him to Winsor I imagine. He'd join Fischer for a memorial cup run
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Last thing I want is another Boedker (sorry, Mikkel). IMO you take BPA at #7 and Nylander isn't it.
I have a feeling Chayka's vidalytics will have sussed out Nylander's disappearing act, so I'm not too worried about picking him.
I also have a feeling that who we ultimately pick at 7 (if we keep that pick) will be a product of the combine interviews. In this situation I think Chayka is a real advantage for us because he's young and is a former player himself, which might lead the prospects to feel a bit more comfortable (and thus more revealing) in that situation.
I have a feeling Chayka's vidalytics will have sussed out Nylander's disappearing act, so I'm not too worried about picking him.
I also have a feeling that who we ultimately pick at 7 (if we keep that pick) will be a product of the combine interviews. In this situation I think Chayka is a real advantage for us because he's young and is a former player himself, which might lead the prospects to feel a bit more comfortable (and thus more revealing) in that situation.
6 Brown
7 Jost
8 Keller
U18s was a coming out party for Brown. Everyone took notice on the player who could literally dominate any style of game once he grows into his body. It was eye opening for anyone who saw him play early in the OHL season versus what was happening in April.
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It seems like there is a consensus top 5 in this draft. That is the only known.
Normally, I feel like there is that tier of the top 2-3, then another tier of about 3-7, then another tier of about 10-15 players.
This year has the top 2-3, then another 2. Then almost everyone from #6-25. Remember that Gauthier was pegged as a near lock for the top 10 two-three months ago. Now, he could still go top 10, and he could also go as late as the mid-20s.
It's not so much that I hate picking 7th. It's that this lineup of players could create a scenario where picks #16-20 have the same (and possibly better) career potential than #6-10. If that is the scenario that we have, there really is no "bad" pick that can be made. But I will hate picking 7th if we had chances to move back and acquire extra picks/players/prospects while still getting what amounts to a similar player. There is a range between #9 and #15 where I think we still get a player that we had ranked on the top 3 of our draft board at #7. Who that player is, I don't really know.
If the team does stay at #7, it will have to be b/c that player blew everyone of his peers out of the water on our draft board. To me, the only way that happens is if PLD or Tkachuk make it to our pick, and that is both highly unlikely and if there is a drop between those two, there may be some reason behind the drop that concerns teams, AZ included.
Normally, I feel like there is that tier of the top 2-3, then another tier of about 3-7, then another tier of about 10-15 players.
This year has the top 2-3, then another 2. Then almost everyone from #6-25. Remember that Gauthier was pegged as a near lock for the top 10 two-three months ago. Now, he could still go top 10, and he could also go as late as the mid-20s.
It's not so much that I hate picking 7th. It's that this lineup of players could create a scenario where picks #16-20 have the same (and possibly better) career potential than #6-10. If that is the scenario that we have, there really is no "bad" pick that can be made. But I will hate picking 7th if we had chances to move back and acquire extra picks/players/prospects while still getting what amounts to a similar player. There is a range between #9 and #15 where I think we still get a player that we had ranked on the top 3 of our draft board at #7. Who that player is, I don't really know.
If the team does stay at #7, it will have to be b/c that player blew everyone of his peers out of the water on our draft board. To me, the only way that happens is if PLD or Tkachuk make it to our pick, and that is both highly unlikely and if there is a drop between those two, there may be some reason behind the drop that concerns teams, AZ included.
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Not a former NHL player but he had a pretty promising junior career before injury derailed him. The point being that he's not that far removed from being in the same shoes as the prospects he's talking to.
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