2016 LA Kings Offseason GDT IV

[Herby]

Still pisses me off the Kings trades essentially two 1st round picks and Colin Miller for 1 season of this guy.

We could have kept our pick, drafted Connor and then traded Jones to SJ and had a first rounder this year.

BRUTAL asset management!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Still pisses me off the Kings trades essentially two 1st round picks and Colin Miller for 1 season of this guy.

We could have kept our pick, drafted Connor and then traded Jones to SJ and had a first rounder this year.

BRUTAL asset management!

Very short sighted decisions. Couldn't see the forest for the trees. Cost them valuable assets and it netted them nothing after a season. It's been a disappointing two years. Hoping the next two will be better, but I don't know if it will be.

 

[BigKing]

Still pisses me off the Kings trades essentially two 1st round picks and Colin Miller for 1 season of this guy.

We could have kept our pick, drafted Connor and then traded Jones to SJ and had a first rounder this year.

BRUTAL asset management!

Would of got offer-sheeted on Jones but, yes, the trade stings like a jellyfish.

But most of us wanted all-in and we got it. Just like if you go all-in in a poker tournament and bust, it might take you awhile to gather up enough funds for the next buy-in.

This is just the fallout from going for it. Time to grin and bear it.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Still pisses me off the Kings trades essentially two 1st round picks and Colin Miller for 1 season of this guy.

We could have kept our pick, drafted Connor and then traded Jones to SJ and had a first rounder this year.

BRUTAL asset management!

Why would the Sharks make a trade with the Kings? Boston is one thing, but the Sharks could wait the Kings out because the Kings could not have matched any decent offer sheet.

 

[Herby]

Very short sighted decisions. Couldn't see the forest for the trees. Cost them valuable assets and it netted them nothing after a season. It's been a disappointing two years. Hoping the next two will be better, but I don't know if it will be.

Connor will probably be an NHL'er this season.

There is a top 6 winger that is on a cheap ELC who probably could have contributed.

I swear, that is lost on this management group with all these stupid trades. You need guys on ELC's who can contribute.

 

[Omni Owl]

I'm surprised we didn't sign Demers, I guess because of the expansion draft?

Don't think about the Lucic trade, don't think about the Lucic trade....

 

[theMajor]

RE: Inner turmoil

What has happened to this team the last two seasons? How is that a stretch? It's not just the Brown situation.

Plenty of other teams are in cap trouble? Great. Does nothing for the LA Kings bad cap position.

Negative Nancy? Try realist. This team will compete as long as 11-8-32 are healthy, but the team is a far cry from 2012-14. Hell, they aren't as strong as '15 or '16 and we saw those results.

The prospects are going to have to be better than expected. Cup contenders don't usually have to rely on that before the season starts.

So does this board still have the "Cup or bust" bravado that was displayed while things were great or is it going to change based on what is being rolled out on the ice at present? If it is the former, then nobody should be happy with the current situation.

I've missed less than 10 home games since 2001. Here we are on this board again with the questioning of someone's fandom because they don't have their lips on DL's ass or blindly believe that everything will be okay. I've paid good money for a lot of bad hockey and I've been fortunate to be present for the "golden age" the last few years: I've seen the highs and the lows.

This current roster is an Andy Murray 9th place special waiting to happen. I'm not going to Vegas to bet on them missing the playoffs but, let's be real here, this is the Kings team with the most question marks on it since 2011. Could break good with the Ontario contingent or it could be a developmental season. The fact remains that if you look at this current roster and think they have a good chance at winning the Cup then you are nothing but a homer. Doesn't mean you are somehow a better fan than those that are not thrilled with the roster as it currently stands.

I will be the first to admit that this team doesnt have as good of a chance to win the cup as they did last year or the year before. this team isnt half as bad as you are making it out to be, but for whatever reason some people on this board LOVE to make things seem worse than they are. for the life of me I cant figure out why. I would say its because we are spoiled by the 2012-2014 run but its been this way as long as I can remember. there are huge differences between being a homer, being what you call a 'realist' and being a Negative Nancy. I understand there are a few problems but at the same time Im not one to wallow, whine or exaggerate said problems. thats the difference. being a hockey fan thats gone to myriad hockey games over the last decade, surely you must understand that winning a cup and staying competitive year in, year out in the cap era is an incredibly hard task. teams that are successful end up paying for that success because their players are rewarded with more money which puts GM's in a tough position to maintain the success. look at Chicago, its a rare feat that they were able to be remain successful after the retools they went through. we are in the middle of a retool now and there was no avoiding it. its just super annoying that people expect a Stanley cup winning team every year. it doesnt work like that

 

[Hatter]

Bring back Smithson!!

Baby faced assassin

 

[Kingsfan1]

Dowd still getting no respect. He is a gamer. He will surprise.

Yup , big Dowd fan as well. Hoping we give him a look for 3C but with Dean and Sutter never sure man lol .

Gravel starts the year in Ontario which is stupid. Forbort has no other options.

Mcnabb-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Forbort-Gilbert
Trotman-Greene

 

[Herby]

People always say there will be offersheets. How many offersheets have there been since the big lockout in 2004-05?

Backes
Kesler
Penner
Weber

I know there were a few more, but they are a rare thing.

I don't think SJ would be really to worried about trading a 1st to the Kings. They knew they only had a couple more years with that group and desperately needed a goalie and Jones was the best available.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Hoping for Boedker on offense as a top sixer or Matt Martin for bottom six. Wisniewski or Demers for defense.

we'll probably get Jim Paek

 

[sinister6000]

The Kings should keep their draft picks for the next 4 years, and go with younger players so they can fix the salary cap problems.

 

[Omni Owl]

Yup , big Dowd fan as well. Hoping we give him a look for 3C but with Dean and Sutter never sure man lol .

Gravel starts the year in Ontario which is stupid. Forbort has no other options.

Mcnabb-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Forbort-Gilbert
Trotman-Greene

I think your D pairs are close, this is what I'd like to see:

McNabb (****)-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Gravel-Forbort
Gilbert

Make a sacrifice to the grand space wizard that no one on defense gets injured.

 

[deeshamrock]

I'm surprised we didn't sign Demers, I guess because of the expansion draft?

Don't think about the Lucic trade, don't think about the Lucic trade....

Demers hasn't signed yet, still making up his mind

Tyutin signs in Colarado 1 yr 2 M

 

[Trolfoli]

Would of got offer-sheeted on Jones but, yes, the trade stings like a jellyfish.

But most of us wanted all-in and we got it. Just like if you go all-in in a poker tournament and bust, it might take you awhile to gather up enough funds for the next buy-in.

This is just the fallout from going for it. Time to grin and bear it.

Pretty much. It was the tail end of the Kings window. Who knows when the next time the team will be close enough to take a shot will be.

People always say there will be offersheets. How many offersheets have there been since the big lockout in 2004-05?

Backes
Kesler
Penner
Weber

I know there were a few more, but they are a rare thing.

I don't think SJ would be really to worried about trading a 1st to the Kings. They knew they only had a couple more years with that group and desperately needed a goalie and Jones was the best available.

SJ would have given the Kings a 2nd or 3rd round pick with the offersheet instead of the 1st. This is why the Kings traded Jones. You're right not a lot of offersheets go through, but that's because GM's trade guys for better assets before they happen. Like Jones.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Tank for Patrick... thats what it looks like...

Let me check.

Yep, that's what it looks like to me.

I stopped my banging my head against the wall to crack up at this. I checked in to see if we had finally acquired any exciting free agents and...then

I'm kind of going to miss McBain, gotta admit.

 

[BigKing]

I will be the first to admit that this team doesnt have as good of a chance to win the cup as they did last year or the year before. this team isnt half as bad as you are making it out to be, but for whatever reason some people on this board LOVE to make things seem worse than they are. for the life of me I cant figure out why. I would say its because we are spoiled by the 2012-2014 run but its been this way as long as I can remember. there are huge differences between being a homer, being what you call a 'realist' and being a Negative Nancy. I understand there are a few problems but at the same time Im not one to wallow, whine or exaggerate said problems. thats the difference. being a hockey fan thats gone to myriad hockey games over the last decade, surely you must understand that winning a cup and staying competitive year in, year out in the cap era is an incredibly hard task. teams that are successful end up paying for that success because their players are rewarded with more money which puts GM's in a tough position to maintain the success. look at Chicago, its a rare feat that they were able to be remain successful after the retools they went through. we are in the middle of a retool now and there was no avoiding it. its just super annoying that people expect a Stanley cup winning team every year. it doesnt work like that

This board spouted off continually during the three year run about this, ridiculing the Ducks and any other team with good success but not the ultimate prize.

So who are we? Cup or what's the point or are we now moving away from that?

I don't think I am making it worse than it seems by my original comment. I'm not saying there is inner-turmoil like a Crawford coached, Cloutier in net and Sean Avery roster: just saying it isn't "rosy" if I an borrower a term from the former Captain. I mean, you have Lombardi rambling and questioning everything at the end of the season while grasping at straws all the way until the end to try and bring Lucic back. What are they doing? I'm not entirely sure they have a true plan like when he put this team together.

I completely understand staying at the top is difficult and I don't fault every decision. Just think there is not as much stability as before and the idea of guys wanting to come here because of the culture and winning is overblown because they aren't winning anymore and the "culture" includes multiple arrests, an ugly contract termination and a stripping of the captaincy.

It ain't 2014 anymore, that's for sure. I'm fine with that and I'm not going to try and deny that fact.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Tank for Patrick... thats what it looks like...

Definitely for Patrick for a big #2 Center. Or for the Kings...Timothy Liljegren for Top 4 RHD. Maybe Callan Foote (son of Adam Foote) a big RHD.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Why would Lombardi pile on positions he is deep on?

Why didn't we pay the 3.5 for McGinn? He would have been perfect with Kopitar.

I am scratching my head hard now.

Latta replaces who? Nolan is ready to go I read.

Gilbert just takes a spot away from Gravel.

 

[dman3474]

He can't do anything.

Now it is certainly his fault because of the disaster moves the last two years, but it is what it is. Right now we can't make any moves, no matter who the GM is.

BS, at least open some spots on the roster for some kids to come up and play. Are you telling me that no-one would want king or clifford or Lewis? Instead lets bring in another 4th line forward, maybe he can bump Lewis up to be our new first line winger.

 

[Basilisk]

Evander Kane is apparently hated in Buffalo. If we could somehow swap Brown for Kane.....

 

[KingsFan7824]

I like how people blame Lombardi for living too much in the past in that he can't let guys go, and at the same time can't let go of the past themselves in terms of previous moves either made or not made by Lombardi.

Really, the Kings shouldn't have traded Schenn and Simmonds for Richards. They should've traded Kopitar last summer instead of holding onto him and having to give him more money. They shouldn't have traded a 1st for Penner. If they don't get Richards, they probably don't get Carter, so there's another 1st. They gave up O'Sullivan for a breaking down Williams. The money they spent on Mitchell the first time could've easily gone down a black hole.

The reality of right now is all there is. Brown is taking up $6m on the cap. There's a reason some combination of 1st/Miller/Jones had to be used to get Boston to retain 50%. Gaborik is taking up $5m. Kopitar is now taking up an extra $3m. Toffoli and Pearson will need to be signed. You can't go back and do any of the deals over. There's no use in worrying about it.

All Lombardi can and should do is deal with what is, not what he wants it to be. So should we.

 

[dman3474]

Im guessing that management is hoping that gilbert can play on the 2nd pair.

Mcnabb Doughty
Muzz Gilbert
Gravel Martinez

 

[Herby]

BS, at least open some spots on the roster for some kids to come up and play. Are you telling me that no-one would want king or clifford or Lewis? Instead lets bring in another 4th line forward, maybe he can bump Lewis up to be our new first line winger.

They like Lewis, he is cheap and contributes on the PK, can play any forward position.

King probably has more value to the Kings than he does to the rest of the league, he was born to play in this system.

Clifford would probably bring back a 4th round pick. Yeah it frees up some space and I wish he was gone, but it's not as if dumping him makes room to sign anyone significant.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I could see the Kings signing Vanek for a bargain bin price.

Kings fans, you have to look at the bright side. At least Dean didn't do something stupid today, like the Lakers did in giving Timofey Mozgov $16M a year.