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2016 LA Kings Offseason GDT IV

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deaderhead28 said:
Per @Mayornhl

LA Kings 2016-17 Projected lineup http://mayorsmanor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/cap-hit-2016-17.jpg

cap hit 2016-17

$67,389,393 SUB-TOTAL

Now, remember to add in a $1.57M penalty for the termination of Mike Richards’ contract…
$68,959,393 PROJECTED TOTAL WITH PENALTY
Thus, with the salary cap having an upper limit of $73 million next season, the Kings have some – but not much – wiggle room to make upgrades. Specifically, they have a maximum of about $4M to play with at the moment. http://mayorsmanor.com/2016/06/la-kings-salary-cap-update-after-trevor-lewis-signing-next-steps/
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I don't think that will be the starting lineup and they have less money than suggested there, it's not known yet what the qualifying offers to Dowd and Campbell were.

DL knows he has to move some players out to get either the forward or D he wants.
And he knows he has to make changes...
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings need a #3 center and a #4 d man.

Every name that has come up doesn't fit any of those needs.
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Eric Staal 1 yr $3M.

I imagine he gets more money and term elsewhere, but if he would take a 1 year show me deal.

Also Brad Richards could be had.


I would rather spend the money on D though
 
Omni Owl said:
Abysmal looking lineup. I'm going to be irate if Scuderi isn't buried in the minors.
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best case he plays 3 games in the NHL and gets a season ending injury and LA gets full cap relief by putting him on LTIR

edit: too cruel?
 
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Johnny Utah said:
Kings need a #3 center and a #4 d man.

Every name that has come up doesn't fit any of those needs.
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I think the center issue can be or will be resolved but there just isnt a solution for the hole in our defense right now. gonna be one of those seasons
 
A healthy Greene might mean no defensive help incoming. I think Greene is much better than he gets credit for, but he's no middle pairing guy. As much as we all would probably love to see a really solid addition back there, I think if a deal was going to be made it would have been done by now. You never know, but I think the org. wants McNabb to evolve into that 2nd pairing guy with Gravel/Forbort and a vet on the 3rd pairing. There's an outside chance Gravel/Forbort could play themselves into that spot.

DL has surprised before, but right now to me it looks like maybe a forward would be added, but otherwise its WYSIWYG.
 
The line-up we have no is garage.

Same roster as last year with Schenn, Vinnie, and Lucic.

Dowd did nothing in 5 games (small sample), Shore has done nothing in 2 years, Mersch might be ready to step in, but where? Kings are loaded a LW.
 
Johnny Utah said:
The line-up we have no is garage.

Same roster as last year with Schenn, Vinnie, and Lucic.

Dowd did nothing in 5 games (small sample), Shore has done nothing in 2 years, Mersch might be ready to step in, but where? Kings are loaded a LW.
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I mean, I'd agree that other teams have caught up, but that assumes that a. last year's team WAS garbage and b. our prospects aren't growing at all either, we're just getting worse. I find this overstated.

Last year's team was solid--they faltered at the end, and it was the inability of the D to move the puck (or get there period, heh) that was an issue. We might have less 'gritz' on the backend this year, but I'd argue healthy Martinez, growing Forbort/Gravel, growing McNabb will take strides towards murdering that issue. A back end of Doughty-Muzzin / McNabb-Martinez / Gravel-Greene / Forbort, McBain? is already an upgrade on Schenn, Scuderi (though he'll likely be the #7) before even 'adding' anything.

In addition, the forward core as currently constructed:

Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Dowd-Lewis?
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan
Shore, Mersch

hurts without Lucic, but even before 'adding' anything.

All of the above discounts additions via trade/signing, and the inevitable training camp surprises.

I don't at all see how it's a "garbage" team. As constructed, likely a #3/Wild Card, but a pain in the ass nonetheless. And I don't think DL is going to go all summer with zero movement. let's not pretend that's the lineup we enter the season with...and even if it is, weren't people clamoring to see guys like Mersch et. al.? Now that's a problem? More examples of "DL can't win."

I mean, people did nothing but complain about Schenn and Lucic and now that they're gone we're 'garbage' without them?
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I don't at all see how it's a "garbage" team. As constructed, likely a #3/Wild Card, but a pain in the ass nonetheless. And I don't think DL is going to go all summer with zero movement. let's not pretend that's the lineup we enter the season with...and even if it is, weren't people clamoring to see guys like Mersch et. al.? Now that's a problem? More examples of "DL can't win."

I mean, people did nothing but complain about Schenn and Lucic and now that they're gone we're 'garbage' without them?
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The goal posts have moved now. Now if the Kings aren't top 8 overall in the league or so, then they're garbage or embarrassing or the like. How spoiled we've become.
 
I think the kings still get 100 points in the season even with "that garbage roster" of no moves.
 
Is this current squad good enough to win a playoff series or advance to the Conference Finals? Of course, a lot can change between now and opening night and the team may look different by the next trade deadline as well, but there are quite a few areas this needs improvement in. Areas that I can't say will be solved internally.
 
I see a top heavy team at every position. Good, core players surrounded by middling fringe.

The team has no depth. They had no depth last year, and one injury sank their blueline. They're going to score less without Lucic, and the defense is still porous. Yes, we have prospects that can indeed improve and slot into roles, but not in any position of impact. Gravel or Forbort aren't going to solve the D problem. Shore, Mersch, etc. aren't going to solve the forward depth. Unless someone completely comes out of left field with some kind of astronomical progress, we're going to be a worse team than last year. And considering how last year ended, that's not promising.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Is this current squad good enough to win a playoff series or advance to the Conference Finals? Of course, a lot can change between now and opening night and the team may look different by the next trade deadline as well, but there are quite a few areas this needs improvement in. Areas that I can't say will be solved internally.
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Probably not and judging by the look of the Pacific it's going to be a pain to compete.

Some of that may honestly be close to un-solveable, that's the price of competing and winning two cups.

Looking at Edmonton right now who is about to solve their single biggest problem by getting Larsson for Hall--there's just about nothing the Kings can do to swing moves like that at this point, and we don't have the assets from years of lottery picks to really take more swings. I think some people have yet to come to terms with reality that at some point it isn't 'bad management' but that there are 29 other cream-of-the-hockey-crop teams throwing haymakers and maybe that will help people realize just how freaking special two cups and a WCF are.
 
Look at the standard checklist:

#1 Goalie: Check
Stud D-man: Check
Stud Centre: Check

LA has above average/elite players at every position .
 
I'll believe it when I see it regarding Edmonton ever becoming "scary." They've been losing for a long time, and you can plug in all the Xs and Os, but the guys on the ice still have to make that step. McDavid is good enough to drag them kicking and screaming into contention, so we'll see. They're still a soft team. Obviously, Lucic helps with that.

Whatever. After ten thousand top five picks, they're finally putting it together. Well done.
 
YP44 said:
not going to say 100 but would say at least 95.
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imagine a world when your top 6 doesn't trade off going cold like they're playing bop it. or a world where dwight king and trevor lewis weren't allowed to be plugged in to those top 6 minutes when someone goes cold. what a wonderful place. that could be an easy 10 points a year right there. :)
 
I think everyone's forgetting the Sharks have always been a particularly tough matchup for the Kings. They know the Kings inside and out, and have basically been retooled even more to counter them. When we got bounced in 2013, Chicago highlighted our lack of speed. We got Gaborik and did juuuuust enough to counter San Jose's, Chicago's, and New York's speed the next year, but we were hanging on by our fingernails.

We need more speed - you all have said it, Dean has said it (or at least acknowledged a change in strategy is needed). But I do think people are premature in claiming Dean's blowing it. It's not even July 1st - let alone the start of the season.

For reason's mentioned (the uncertainty surrounding expansion, the relatively poor quality of this year's draft, the underwhelming list of available UFA's) there hasn't been a lot of movement.

Anyhow, our number one need is a 3-4 defenseman. Moving King and/or Clifford is worth giving up for that - plug in the kids. Shuffling the chairs only to add another bottom-six winger is not.
 
Choralone said:
I think everyone's forgetting the Sharks have always been a particularly tough matchup for the Kings. They know the Kings inside and out, and have basically been retooled even more to counter them. When we got bounced in 2013, Chicago highlighted our lack of speed. We got Gaborik and did juuuuust enough to counter San Jose's, Chicago's, and New York's speed the next year, but we were hanging on by our fingernails.

We need more speed - you all have said it, Dean has said it (or at least acknowledged a change in strategy is needed). But I do think people are premature in claiming Dean's blowing it. It's not even July 1st - let alone the start of the season.

For reason's mentioned (the uncertainty surrounding expansion, the relatively poor quality of this year's draft, the underwhelming list of available UFA's) there hasn't been a lot of movement.

Anyhow, our number one need is a 3-4 defenseman. Moving King and/or Clifford is worth giving up for that - plug in the kids. Shuffling the chairs only to add another bottom-six winger is not.
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*giggles*
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Probably not and judging by the look of the Pacific it's going to be a pain to compete.

Some of that may honestly be close to un-solveable, that's the price of competing and winning two cups.

Looking at Edmonton right now who is about to solve their single biggest problem by getting Larsson for Hall--there's just about nothing the Kings can do to swing moves like that at this point, and we don't have the assets from years of lottery picks to really take more swings. I think some people have yet to come to terms with reality that at some point it isn't 'bad management' but that there are 29 other cream-of-the-hockey-crop teams throwing haymakers and maybe that will help people realize just how freaking special two cups and a WCF are.
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Yep.

Went "all-in" and got nothing for it.

Now here comes the reaping from the sowing. We all said "it will be fine if they win another Cup". They didn't and it's painfully obvious that is it, in fact, not fine at all.

Great core with 11-8-32. The sky isn't falling but this upcoming season is going to be a test to see if the HF fan base here is going to be able to grin and bear it.

Just hoping they can be competitive all year for my small potatoes ticket enterprise at this point. All going to depend on the best players being great and the youth proving they are NHL players.
 
BigKing said:
Yep.

Went "all-in" and got nothing for it.

Now here comes the reaping from the sowing. We all said "it will be fine if they win another Cup". They didn't and it's painfully obvious that is it, in fact, not fine at all.

Great core with 11-8-32. The sky isn't falling but this upcoming season is going to be a test to see if the HF fan base here is going to be able to grin and bear it.

Just hoping they can be competitive all year for my small potatoes ticket enterprise at this point. All going to depend on the best players being great and the youth proving they are NHL players.
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If they can't bear it they are new to the party.
I remember thinking after 93 maybe the team was going to become something. But nope took another 19 years for it to happen.
 
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