I like the dude but why give cap space to him. He'll cost more than King.
Where is this change of philosophy that was talked about?
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I like the dude but why give cap space to him. He'll cost more than King.
Where is this change of philosophy that was talked about?
Ziggy Stardust
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Apparently it appears that Dean wants to make the Kings tougher. Though I'm not sure if toughness was a reason why they lost to the Sharks. They got badly outplayed by a faster and more skilled team who was able to move the puck quickly, so yeah, I agree, not sure how Martin helps in that area.
He is an upgrade over the likes of King, Clifford, Nolan, etc., but he'll also cost more than them. It would only make sense if two of those three names were moved.
KopitarFAN
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Well it would be a change in philosophy, bringing in a new a face, someone who is likely an upgrade, instead of rolling out the same crap every year.
Martyros
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I'm not holding out any hope, but i wouldn't really be surprised if Lucic remained here after all this fiasco.
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BigKing
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Raccoon Jesus
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Over King? Man, this board is truly going for the 'grass is greener' scenario.
Martin is strictly a 4th liner. I'd love him here but him and Clifford are redundant, and Martin is glamorous enough from leading the league in hits repeatedly that his price tag is going to be even higher.
Honestly watching this board eat our bottom six then sing Matt Martin's praises...really? There is no scenario where Matt Martin makes our third line better unless the entire NHL roster gets sent to orbit.
Ziggy Stardust
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I'd prefer a more abrasive LW on the 3rd line over Dwight King who really has been disappointing in his role the past couple of seasons.
I miss the Dwight King we saw when he crushed Alex Pietrangelo and got into a scrap with Ryan Reaves and held his own against a heavyweight. I wish he got more physically involved like that.
I miss the Dwight King we saw when he crushed Alex Pietrangelo and got into a scrap with Ryan Reaves and held his own against a heavyweight. I wish he got more physically involved like that.
BigKing
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We had a guy that used to lead the league in hits with the current roster not offering up anything better than a 15th place finish in hits (Brown).
I'd like for our 4th line to actually get in on the forecheck with some big hits. Clifford gets there from time to time but Nolan has seriously slipped in this department, Andreoff isn't good at it and King hasn't hit anybody since 2012.
Not saying he'd make our 3rd line better but he can definitely make our 4th line better. I like the thought of him being centered by Dowd, to be honest. Have 2/3rds of a real feisty and energetic 4th line. Just don't know who the RW would be.
As far as King goes, he is being underrated right now due to his ****show of a season. He makes big plays in the playoffs so he's felt worthless the last two seasons and especially last year. Still, I have no problem with him being moved under the right circumstances.
Full disclosure: Matt Martin is a season ticket holder's dream. Yes please to five hits a game and some scraps. 10 goals from the 4th line would be something else as well.
BigKing
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They can be moved. If DL wanted to do so at the draft then I'm sure he could have: the right value wasn't there.
If you have Martin in the fold, perhaps you don't hold out for a better return under the premise you are giving King/Clifford's contract away for a pick so Martin's new cap hit is only a net increase over and above what those guys are making.
Also, Lewis's cap hit is less than he made last year so I don't think signing Martin would have a huge impact on Toffoli/Pearson or possible mid-season moves.
I don't even care to bother with next summer UFA due to the expansion draft and too much can happen between now and then.
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Lucic takes 244 hits with him, never mind the goals and points. A healthy and upright Matt Greene helps replace that on the back-end, but there isn't anybody up top to replace it. For a "heavy" team, the Bottom 6 really doesn't dole out much punishment in the regular season.
Raccoon Jesus
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Hey, I said above I'd love Matt Martin on this team. I just dispute that he's better than King and that he'd have any impact on anything but the 4th line.
Imagine what happens when someone gets hurt and Matt Martin is flanking Kopitar. For all the times King and Clifford got roasted for that, King doubles his production most years, and Clifford puts up similar production on a much tighter system than Martin did on "the best 4th line in the league."
I'm just saying people are falling very hard into the 'grass is always greener' pit right now.
Imagine what happens when someone gets hurt and Matt Martin is flanking Kopitar. For all the times King and Clifford got roasted for that, King doubles his production most years, and Clifford puts up similar production on a much tighter system than Martin did on "the best 4th line in the league."
I'm just saying people are falling very hard into the 'grass is always greener' pit right now.
I think due to the ex.draft teams are being very shrewd about their rosters. LA needs a scoring forward and an upgrade on defense with around what, 4 million in space? Say you sign Martin for 2 million, that gives you around 2 left. Better be sure you can move out King or Clifford adding another 2. That Gets LA 4 again to play with. Not enough either way to grab a top UFA. Be lucky to get a guy like Hamhuis honestly for four million a season. The Lewis signing actually dented the cap for LA even on his reduction.
Maybe Martin is the big acquisition DLs looking for. Lucic-lite,lite,lite.
Maybe Martin is the big acquisition DLs looking for. Lucic-lite,lite,lite.
KingCanadain1976
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That should never happen someone in the ahl should be brought up I don't see why we wouldn't bring kempe augar or whoever is our best ahl winger up over raising a 4th liner to play with kopitar. I have the same question when king gets moved up Should never happen
Kingsfan1
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The bottom 6 just flat out sucks. If Lewis and King are on the 3rd line then we have not improved at all. Lewis would be ideal for the 4th line and put our 4th line in contention with some of the best 4th lines in the league, due to him being defensively responsible however he is not skilled enough to be on the 3rd line. In the modern NHL the bottom 6 has to have skill and speed. We lack that throughout. King is slow and a grinder. If we are going to continue to dump the puck in and chase it then we are in for a long season. We will be chasing the puck back the other way into our zone lol.
Lot also rides on if Brown can perform which scares me. Dean just keeps making the same mistakes over and over and preaching that he realizes the game is evolving and he needs to adapt. Well actions speak louder than words. We shouldn't have King and Clifford and Mersch still on the roster if all 3 pretty much play the same game. We should have some skill and speed. The price tag paid for 1 year of Lucic is terrible. I'd be happier signing Lucic to a 6-8 year deal rather than losing him for free. The guy is still gonna perform at high pace, not sure why everyone thinks he will go the Dustin Brown route.
Our so called Great Core has 1 playoff win last 2 years. Calgary, Anaheim, Sharks, Oilers, Coyotes all improved or will be in playoff race besides maybe Coyotes but they did improve tremendously. I actually think we got worse. Even Greene is still on this team. Who is going to play well after not playing for nearly 2 years ? It's unbelievable. King and Greene should not be on this team nor should Scuderi. That's over 5 million in cap space.
Lot also rides on if Brown can perform which scares me. Dean just keeps making the same mistakes over and over and preaching that he realizes the game is evolving and he needs to adapt. Well actions speak louder than words. We shouldn't have King and Clifford and Mersch still on the roster if all 3 pretty much play the same game. We should have some skill and speed. The price tag paid for 1 year of Lucic is terrible. I'd be happier signing Lucic to a 6-8 year deal rather than losing him for free. The guy is still gonna perform at high pace, not sure why everyone thinks he will go the Dustin Brown route.
Our so called Great Core has 1 playoff win last 2 years. Calgary, Anaheim, Sharks, Oilers, Coyotes all improved or will be in playoff race besides maybe Coyotes but they did improve tremendously. I actually think we got worse. Even Greene is still on this team. Who is going to play well after not playing for nearly 2 years ? It's unbelievable. King and Greene should not be on this team nor should Scuderi. That's over 5 million in cap space.
Kingsfan1
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We need a LWer for Kopitar , top 4 Dman and some skill and speed in the bottom 6 with the new modern NHL trending that way. Other teams players and bottom lines are going to skate circles around our bottom 6 and get high quality shots on Quick.
If we add atleast 2 new players to the 3rd line who can actually put the puck in the net and play with skilled players and not **** up chances then I'd be ok with not having a 1st line LWer. I think the plan is to have Kempe up next year and have Pearson and Kempe playing top 2 LW slots.
If we don't add any players to the 3rd line and have Lewis centering and King on LW lol then I hope next years draft is a strong one.
CanadianKingsFan14
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I would, a team like Vancouver or Edmonton will give him the term and trade clause he wants
CanadianKingsFan14
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Looks like Lucic and Demers have an agreement with the Edmonton Oilers but can't be announced till July 1st. If they sign can't wait to see the money and term.
http://teamstre.am/29m2YsX
Cult of Hockey: Unconfirmed report that Oilers have deals worked out with Lucic and Demers | Edmonton Journal
via ble.ac/teamstream-
http://teamstre.am/29m2YsX
Cult of Hockey: Unconfirmed report that Oilers have deals worked out with Lucic and Demers | Edmonton Journal
via ble.ac/teamstream-
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I mean technically he has to, no? No UFA can officially sign until July 1st, unless you re-sign with team that holds your rights.
Martin is a slight upgrade over Clifford but will demand more money, I don't get it...
Kings need to move out one of Clifford or King....
Why waste money on Martin when they could after Okposo....
Kings need to move out one of Clifford or King....
Why waste money on Martin when they could after Okposo....
BigKing
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Depends on price. Going term/$ on Okposo could backfire much more than the lower $ for Martin.
More upside too, of course, but he will cost a lot of money and want NTC/NMC.
Martin is more than a slight upgrade over Clifford, IMO. People can scoff at his hit stats, but being able to consistently be at the top of the hit parade is definitely a skill and not solely determination.
Regardless, it is probably stupid to talk about UFAs because Dean has struck out every July 1st if I am not mistaken. I'm fine if he does again this year as his strikeouts are a big reason why they were able to win the two Cups.
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