2016 LA Kings Offseason GDT IV

[WHOneedsSOX]

Now you're getting silly one look at both rosters can tell you he would be on a better team in la then van. La is a contender and will be for 3 years Van is going to be a lotto team for 3 years. Yes but there not a ericsson away from being a contender They Kings will be closer with him.

Wow what is it 2 wins to one ? why stop at last two years? why not last 5 I think we know who wins there don't we. All im saying is there is more to picking your team than money

But it's not just LA or Colorado. St. Louis could afford him. Calgary. Florida.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

But it's not just LA or Colorado. St. Louis could afford him. Calgary. Florida.

I was only trying to answer why he would take a shorter contract to play on a contender I never once said we were the only ones he would do it for Wow people in hf like to put words into my mouth a lot lately

 

[KingsFan7824]

Now you're getting silly one look at both rosters can tell you he would be on a better team in la then van.

I didn't say the Canucks roster was better. I'm saying if Ericsson were to go there, he would think that a Canucks roster with him is better than a Canucks roster without him. Why else would they willingly pay him so much?

La is a contender and will be for 3 years Van is going to be a lotto team for 3 years. Yes but there not a ericsson away from being a contender They Kings will be closer with him.

And nobody would've said the Kings would have fewer playoff wins than the Canucks over the last 2 years back in the summer of 2014. Is it likely the Kings are more of a contender than the Canucks for the next 3 years? Probably. Is that chance worth turning down $18m more dollars? He's not getting that money back if he turns it down, and when he's 55, that money will probably be doing more for him than any Cup ring. That's the choice he has to make.

Wow what is it 2 wins to one ? why stop at last two years? why not last 5 I think we know who wins there don't we. All im saying is there is more to picking your team than money

Sure, there's more than money, but $18m extra dollars is a lot.

The Cups in 2012 and 2014 don't do anything for Ericsson today. He wasn't part of it. The most recent one is 2 years in the past now. You can try to sell him on it, but once again, is that worth $18m more dollars?

And where did i say they won? I only said it has happened before to prove it wasn't fantasyland thinking

It's possible for guys to take less, but Kariya and Selanne didn't win the Cup that year with the Avs, Kariya never got one period, and neither one of them got the money back that they didn't take in their career.

Now, I assume they're both doing just fine in their lives without the money they didn't take back in 2003, but they didn't get the Cup, and they didn't get the money. That's the risk a player takes if they take less.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I was only trying to answer why he would take a shorter contract to play on a contender I never once said we were the only ones he would do it for Wow people in hf like to put words into my mouth a lot lately

The fact is that there are more than a couple teams that could afford him that are contenders.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I didn't say the Canucks roster was better. I'm saying if Ericsson were to go there, he would think that a Canucks roster with him is better than a Canucks roster without him. Why else would they willingly pay him so much?


And nobody would've said the Kings would have fewer playoff wins than the Canucks over the last 2 years back in the summer of 2014. Is it likely the Kings are more of a contender than the Canucks for the next 3 years? Probably. Is that chance worth turning down $18m more dollars? He's not getting that money back if he turns it down, and when he's 55, that money will probably be doing more for him than any Cup ring. That's the choice he has to make.



Sure, there's more than money, but $18m extra dollars is a lot.

The Cups in 2012 and 2014 don't do anything for Ericsson today. He wasn't part of it. The most recent one is 2 years in the past now. You can try to sell him on it, but once again, is that worth $18m more dollars?



It's possible for guys to take less, but Kariya and Selanne didn't win the Cup that year with the Avs, Kariya never got one period, and neither one of them got the money back that they didn't take in their career.

Now, I assume they're both doing just fine in their lives without the money they didn't take back in 2003, but they didn't get the Cup, and they didn't get the money. That's the risk a player takes if they take less.

One more time If he thinks he can improve vancouver he would have to think he would improve la as well. He therefore would have to think which team is better with him and that would still be la. He is paid the same money so it no different

All that matters now is who has the better shot to win playoff games in the future la or van I think clearly its la.
Again its not 18 million its more like 4 million if you think hes going to decrease in skill I think he could get more then 6 if the nhl expansion happens again in 3 years I feel it could The league would have 48 more jobs and teams Also the cap will be going higher than as more teams the nhl will make more money. So he actually cold make more.

You use the fact we won two cup to sell him that we are a winning team and will continue winning opposed to vancouver that will be a lotto team for the next at least 3 years I actually do not see them back in playoffs for at least 5 It comes down to the fact of him wanting to play in the playoffs is it worth it not to for what is most likely a few million dollars. I personally do not think so but if u can sell him on it fine.
As far as Karya and Selanne goes they got to play with each other that is what they wanted and again only pointed it out to prove it happens so i was not thinking fantasyland

 

[KingCanadain1976]

The fact is that there are more than a couple teams that could afford him that are contenders.

I never once said we are the only one that can only that he could take the shorter contract to do so

 

[That70sline]

I think dean needs to get a little creative if he wants to upgrade both the wing and d.

Sign one of okposo, ericson, ladd... (okposo would b my guy)

6x6 deal

Then trade either
pearson for severson
Or
Toffoli for larrson

Obviously b4 handing out that contract, a trade with the devils needs to b worked out to a certain degree..

I wouldnt want to lose either toffoli or pearson but these moves makes the team better and puts is in a better finacial situation..

Toffoli will b in the 6-7 million range... We swap him for an equally talented player in adam larsson who is signed for 5 years at 4.1 ish million..

Okposo gets the money lucic would of got but with more of a toffoli scoring edge...

Trade king and try to trade or dump scuderi

Brown kopi okposo
Pearson carts gaborik
Mersh dowd lewis
Cliff shore andreoff nolan

Mcnabb doughty
Muzz larrson
Martinez greene forbort

 

[Rusty Batch]

Signing wingers to long term contracts hasn't really worked out for us.

 

[CanadianKingsFan14]

I think dean needs to get a little creative if he wants to upgrade both the wing and d.

Sign one of okposo, ericson, ladd... (okposo would b my guy)

6x6 deal



Then trade either
pearson for severson
Or
Toffoli for larrson

Obviously b4 handing out that contract, a trade with the devils needs to b worked out to a certain degree..

I wouldnt want to lose either toffoli or pearson but these moves makes the team better and puts is in a better finacial situation..

Toffoli will b in the 6-7 million range... We swap him for an equally talented player in adam larsson who is signed for 5 years at 4.1 ish million..

Okposo gets the money lucic would of got but with more of a toffoli scoring edge...

Trade king and try to trade or dump scuderi

Brown kopi okposo
Pearson carts gaborik
Mersh dowd lewis
Cliff shore andreoff nolan

Mcnabb doughty
Muzz larrson
Martinez greene forbort

There's no way I'd trade Toffoli for Larsson. I wouldn't trade Toffoli period. He's our best young forward.

 

[That70sline]

Signing wingers to long term contracts hasn't really worked out for us.

Were gonna have to sign toffoli to long term contract

I think trading for players that are on bargain contracts is the way to go... Harder to trade for those players...

I just think this is a move that makes sence dollars wise

Trade toffoli for larsson... Save 2-2.5 million starting next season.

Both players r great.. Larsson is cheaper and plays the more important position..

And toffoli for larsson trade is rough... Dunno who adds.. I think its pretty even value..

 

[Kingsfan1]

Toffoli is our future and scoring has become harder in the NHL, kid has to be in our plans long term. In 5 years he will barely be entering his prime when Kopitar n others will be on the wrong side of 30.

 

[That70sline]

Toffoli is our future and scoring has become harder in the NHL, kid has to be in our plans long term. In 5 years he will barely be entering his prime when Kopitar n others will be on the wrong side of 30.

I understand wat ur saying... Larrson would wall into that same category no??

Again, ud b paying one guy 7 million for those 5 years and one guy 4 million..

I love toffoli and wat he represents... Still hes a winger, less important than a defencman... Top winger for top d man..

I get it.. Toffi is our boy.. Home bread... This thinking and falling in luv with our own players might bite us in the ass..

Id rather have larrson than toffoli... Contracts included.

 

[mattgkg]

kings aren't going to trade huge for a voynov replacement / long term winger in a year with looming expansion draft and all the contracts to be signed. this is the kings "had their cake" year and they'll fill the roles from within or on low risk, short, "show me" contract or winning the lottery getting someone like vesey to sign.

 

[go4hockey]

I liked Versteeg. It's a shame.

He is a soft forward that does not fit the Kings team. Nothing will be missed he was pretty bad here and another of the players that should have never been brought in.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I understand wat ur saying... Larrson would wall into that same category no??

Again, ud b paying one guy 7 million for those 5 years and one guy 4 million..

I love toffoli and wat he represents... Still hes a winger, less important than a defencman... Top winger for top d man..

I get it.. Toffi is our boy.. Home bread... This thinking and falling in luv with our own players might bite us in the ass..

Id rather have larrson than toffoli... Contracts included.

I 100% would do Larsson for Toffoli.

NJ wouldn't, imo. They have winger depth and Larsson is well on his way to being Vlasic 2.0.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

He is a soft forward that does not fit the Kings team. Nothing will be missed he was pretty bad here and another of the players that should have never been brought in.

I thought he was just starting to hit his stride when he busted his foot blocking that shot. He was basically Justin Williams lite, probably best on the third line but skilled enough to move up and down the lineup (even though he played way too frequently with the fourth). REmember that him Andreoff and Clifford were our best line some nights down the stretch.

He doesn't fit the Kings' "MO" I agree, but I think he was grittier than people will give him credit for, and I think he'd be a fine option if he's cheap enough.

I can say I'd rather have a guy like Versteeg as an injury fill-in on the top six than King and Lewis. We just have to see what the market says Versteeg's value is.

 

[Kingsfan1]

I understand wat ur saying... Larrson would wall into that same category no??

Again, ud b paying one guy 7 million for those 5 years and one guy 4 million..

I love toffoli and wat he represents... Still hes a winger, less important than a defencman... Top winger for top d man..

I get it.. Toffi is our boy.. Home bread... This thinking and falling in luv with our own players might bite us in the ass..

Id rather have larrson than toffoli... Contracts included.

I understand what your saying as well but we have more D prospects in our system who in a couple years can play top 4 D in Cernak, Clague, Gravel, Ladue , Moverare if they reach their potential but we dont have another prospect in our system who can hit 30+ goals in our system.

Clague started off last year with 13 pts in 20 games before suffering a broken wrist and leg injury. So due to his injuries he started this year with just 8 pts in the first 31 games then exploded after he got used to the pace of the game again . He also had more pts than Provorov in the playoffs (they play on same team ) .

I really believe we might have hit a homerun with Clague and he would have been a sure fire 1st round pick if it wasnt for his injuries .

 

[SettlementRichie10]

You trade Toffoli for someone like Ekblad. He's one of the best young wingers in the league.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You trade Toffoli for someone like Ekblad. He's one of the best young wingers in the league.

You trade someone like Draisaitl for Ekblad.

Toffoli won't get you Ekblad. He probably wouldn't even get Larsson straight up, who has gone mega underrated it seems

Would you do Blake Wheeler for Doughty?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ekblad is no Doughty. He's more like Erik Johnson.

 

[Cook24]

Pearson, Clifford, and Forbort for Larsson.

King for picks.

Sign Ladd and Matt Martin

Ladd-Kopitar-Gaborik
Kempe-Carter-Toffoli
Brown-Lewis-Mersch
Martin-Andreoff-Dowd
Nolan

Muzzin-Doughty
Martinez-Larsson
McNabb-Greene/Gravel

Quick/Budaj or Campbell

 

[damacles1156]

Pearson+ two throw in's does not land you Larsson.

Would you trade say (A-Mart) for two throw in's, and a winger breaking into the league ?

I wouldn't

 

[Martyros]

You trade Toffoli for someone like Ekblad. He's one of the best young wingers in the league.

Ekblad is Florida's Doughty. Do you think you're going to get a Doughty with Toffoli?

 

[Martyros]

Ekblad is no Doughty. He's more like Erik Johnson.

I disagree. He's no Doughty (not yet), but he is Florida's version of a Doughty.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I disagree. He's no Doughty (not yet), but he is Florida's version of a Doughty.

I can agree with that, he certainly the best defenseman that organization has had since... Ed Jovanovski perhaps.

And they did end up trading Jovanovski (who reached the Cup Final as a rookie in '96) for a franchise forward in Pavel Bure, and Toffoli is no Bure.

The Kings simply don't have the assets to trade for some of these names being thrown out there.

That's why we are seeing and reading reports of them being attached to names like Christian Folin.

Think of when the Kings brought in Kyle Quincey, a young mid-20s defenseman who is waiting for an opportunity to earn a regular spot on an NHL roster.

Folin falls into that category.