2016 Draft Thread III (June 24-25, 7PM)

[Jackets Woodchuck]

What about 2017 2nd round?

 

[JacketsDavid]

http://thehockeywriters.com/columbus-blue-jackets-trade-offers-for-3rd-overall-pick/

Wonder if they do make a deal if they get the center they feel they need?

Would definitely be a CBJ-esque move. Finish near the bottom, but think they are just 1 player away from being competitive.

Problem is this - no team will want to trade a young #1C with a good contract for the #3 overall pick. No matter how good that player could be there is too much risk to that.

Other option is trading a not-affordable #1C and the CBJ would have to give up some salary to make that work. That's fine if it doesn't reduce our assets we're netting, and some teams would do that if stressed against the cap. But our track record of bringing in veteran guys who can be a #1C has not been good.

Again it's supply and demand there are few legit #1C. I just can't imagine many teams trading one for the #3 pick in draft.

 

[theD86]

I really think they'd have to be wowed to move the pick


http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-nhl-draft-blue-jackets-oilers-canucks/2016/06/09/

 

[Jackets16]

Why do you keep posting the same thing that was already posted yesterday?

 

[Seachd]

McKenzie says the "sense is" that Columbus may not be sold on Puljujarvi... may be interested in Brown or Keller: https://soundcloud.com/tsn-radio-va...rade-with-5-cbj-may-not-be-sold-on-puljujarvi

 

[niflheim]

My God Mighty Creator, Please make so that German Rubtsov drops to the second round. Because I don't know where we take another young possesion skilled C for our second line. I know You tried to give these skills to Dubi, Foligno and Boone, I see...

 

[Viqsi]

oh dear G-d. Not again. Not twice in the same G-ddamned ****ing year. Cannot take this ****.


Well, the last time we went through this crap, we were insisting over and over Only A #1 Defenseman Will Do and we ultimately got just that (albeit with some initial worry). Now it's Only A 1st And One Or Both Of An Existing High Quality Player Plus Losing A NMC/Cap Dump Will Do. Maybe we'll get that. Maybe.

But dear holy G-d Almighty I am so not looking forward to the fandango on T&R that's going to follow and the inevitable bull**** storm.

 

[Crede777]

I used to joke that I could do a better job at GM'ing. Now, I'm not so certain it's a joke.

If Jarmo doesn't draft Puljujarvi, I will have lost all faith.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

ok. so pump the breaks a little.

IF....IF they are really not sold....what would the Jets give up to be able to draft both Finns?

Mark Scheifele is 23 year old center that just scored 61 points last year

Nikolaj Ehlers is a 20 year old LW from Denmark (hello Bjorkstrand) that is one of the top 10 forward prospects in the game. Had 38 points as a 19 year old

....if they could get BOTH of them.

 

[Seachd]

ok. so pump the breaks a little.

IF....IF they are really not sold....what would the Jets give up to be able to draft both Finns?

Mark Scheifele is 23 year old center that just scored 61 points last year

Nikolaj Ehlers is a 20 year old LW from Denmark (hello Bjorkstrand) that is one of the top 10 forward prospects in the game. Had 38 points as a 19 year old

....if they could get BOTH of them.

I don't think the Jets would even consider Scheifele alone.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Well, I am not saying what they would give up. But what it could take.

 

[KJ Dangler]

McKenzie says the "sense is" that Columbus may not be sold on Puljujarvi... may be interested in Brown or Keller: https://soundcloud.com/tsn-radio-va...rade-with-5-cbj-may-not-be-sold-on-puljujarvi

My guess is Mckenzie is trying to create a little interest for the Canadian markets. Porty says the jackets love the player, in reference to Puljujarvi, and here is Jd...

#MeetTheFuture: Check out what @NHL execs had to say about top prospect Jesse Puljujarvi

https://youtu.be/8glemx4O5AI


Also here is Mark Scheig.....

I'll repeat what I mentioned at the Combine. I fully expect that #CBJ will take Jesse Puljujarvi 3rd overall. Would go 1st most years.

 

[niflheim]

Informative article from McKenzie At least we know that PoolParty can't play C

 

[Viqsi]

My real worry is that if the org really is souring a tad on Puljujarvi, then that could mean that a trade down that just gets rid of Clarkson suddenly becomes plausible.

That... would still be helpful, but it is not a scenario I like.

 

[Crede777]

My real worry is that if the org really is souring a tad on Puljujarvi, then that could mean that a trade down that just gets rid of Clarkson suddenly becomes plausible.

That... would still be helpful, but it is not a scenario I like.

That means Jarmo's ineptitude would essentially have cost us the difference between picking 3 and 6/7/8...

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

It's 6/9 - that is complete and utter **** stirring by the media. Take Pool Party and have the first power forward in the history of the franchise. Most of his goals are scored from 5 feet in yet he skates well for a big man, and is a team player. Take the Finn and don't look back.

John & Jarmo: if you really want to wow your fan base figure out how to take Puljujarvi and trade up to get one of Brown, Keller, Jost. That is doing your job, not trading away the best player the franchise has ever had the chance to draft.

 

[Viqsi]

Another useful tool for the "bargaining" stage takes me back to the 2010 draft.

When we went into that draft, it was a foregone conclusion that we were taking one of Fowler, Gormley, or Gudbranson (we'd have our pick of two after Florida picked the third). So much so that that was the title of the Puck-Rakers article. What actually happened, as we all remember, is that Howson delayed, and delayed, and delayed, then walked up to the podium, delayed even more, and then announced Johansen was the pick. We were all taken aback, everyone was shocked, and a few folks gave up on Howson right then and there.

And yet, given their respective career arcs, it's hard to argue against that pick.

So it's not entirely impossible that that's what's going on right now - it's just that we know about it in advance this time.


Of course, acceptance was helped by the fact that Fowler and Gormley both plummeted like rocks shortly afterward. And I'm not quite confident enough to believe that that's how things would turn out, at this stage. But we have been here before, and it worked out in our favor - one of the few times something has worked in this franchise's favor, in fact.

Am I happy with this possibility? Not really. Especially since, if we just pick Brown, it basically renders the lottery win irrelevant (trading away Clarkson just means that what we "won" in the lottery was a get-out-of-jail-free card). But it doesn't mean we're doomed.

 

[major major]

Puljujarvi is perhaps one of the top 10 or 15 prospects of the past decade. Either he will become a Blue Jacket or the Jackets trade down and get an insane haul for him. (Yes I'm trying to relax )

 

[EspenK]

The draft is a crap shoot. There are no guarantees. Jacket fans cling to every ounce of hope there is.Current hope is Puljujarvi. He is probably the best choice based on the last couple of years of scouting reports.

But, Dubois, for example, improved tremendously this year and who knows if in a couple of years he will be better than Pulju.

I remember scouts raved about Brule and we got him- now who would rather have taken Kopitar? Everyone.

Schiefle, Monahan, Draisaitl, Ehlers, etc have all proved they can play in the league. To thumb your nose at a trade of #3 for them is at best not too bright. These guys could all turn out to be better than Pulju. Or not.

The point is no one knows how any of these guys will turn out. I will trust Jarmo & Co on the pick. I won't mind if they trade for a guy that has 1C potential.

 

[Fro]

Trade down to dump Clarkson's contract
Trade Tyutin to ?EDM?
Trade Hartnell to TOR for a 2nd
Sign Stamkos

Make Stanley Cup Final

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Still not convinced, aorry

 

[Viqsi]

Still not convinced, aorry

I'm not fully convinced either, but I'm not in a frothing rage or horrible despair over it. For now, anyways.

 

[Crede777]

The draft is a crap shoot. There are no guarantees. Jacket fans cling to every ounce of hope there is.Current hope is Puljujarvi. He is probably the best choice based on the last couple of years of scouting reports.

But, Dubois, for example, improved tremendously this year and who knows if in a couple of years he will be better than Pulju.

I remember scouts raved about Brule and we got him- now who would rather have taken Kopitar? Everyone.

Schiefle, Monahan, Draisaitl, Ehlers, etc have all proved they can play in the league. To thumb your nose at a trade of #3 for them is at best not too bright. These guys could all turn out to be better than Pulju. Or not.

The point is no one knows how any of these guys will turn out. I will trust Jarmo & Co on the pick. I won't mind if they trade for a guy that has 1C potential.

I disagree about Puljujarvi not living up to the hype.

But I do agree if we could get Scheifele, Monahan, Draisatl, or someone similar that'd be fair. RNH is about my cutoff.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I'm not fully convinced either, but I'm not in a frothing rage or horrible despair over it. For now, anyways.

If they pass on him then I am going to start calling Jarmo Jarmoron.

 

[Jackets16]

I don't know how anyone can't trust Jarmo when it comes to drafting. He's proven he knows what he is doing.