2016 Draft Thread III (June 24-25, 7PM)
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These Pulju rumours are really bothering me and I find myself thinking about this situation constantly 
Honestly why not just pick the franchise prospect now and go all in for that C prospect in next years draft.
They have the chance to build one awesome core group of young talent with Pulju, 1 that would have quality and depth everywhere, it would give them the chance to go all in for C next year if the situation is still the same, they could even pick C prospect with every pick they got if they would feel like it.
Jarmo doesn't have to win next year, he has time to find an answer to that C question, he has time to give Wennberg& Jenner 1 more year to develop and see what their ceiling could be, give his prospects 1 more year to raise their trade value for potential C fix if needed, and time to clear cap issues.
Honestly why not just pick the franchise prospect now and go all in for that C prospect in next years draft.
They have the chance to build one awesome core group of young talent with Pulju, 1 that would have quality and depth everywhere, it would give them the chance to go all in for C next year if the situation is still the same, they could even pick C prospect with every pick they got if they would feel like it.
Jarmo doesn't have to win next year, he has time to find an answer to that C question, he has time to give Wennberg& Jenner 1 more year to develop and see what their ceiling could be, give his prospects 1 more year to raise their trade value for potential C fix if needed, and time to clear cap issues.
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If they trade back or don't take Puljujarvi Jarmo's saying of "take the best player available" can be called ******** now.
These Pulju rumours are really bothering me and I find myself thinking about this situation constantly
Honestly why not just pick the franchise prospect now and go all in for that C prospect in next years draft.
They have the chance to build one awesome core group of young talent with Pulju, 1 that would have quality and depth everywhere, it would give them the chance to go all in for C next year if the situation is still the same, they could even pick C prospect with every pick they got if they would feel like it.
Jarmo doesn't have to win next year, he has time to find an answer to that C question, he has time to give Wennberg& Jenner 1 more year to develop and see what their ceiling could be, give his prospects 1 more year to raise their trade value for potential C fix if needed, and time to clear cap issues.
Especially when Jarmo is famous for saying you cant draft for current need because you dont know where youll be in a few years when these guys start making an impact. Kekalainen was part of drafting Hossa so why not draft a guy with that kind of potential
Nanabijou
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Agreed. Drafting is not a 100% science but Jarmo's experience and track record in the draft gives him a lot of leeway from me. I think they'll pick Pulju and all this is for hype to see what offers they can shake out. But, it they don't like him for some reason, I have trust they've done their due diligence.
Now, when it comes to him and Zito negotiating contracts - well, that is a different story. I'm much more concerned what Jones' contract extension is going to look like as opposed to what is going to happen at the draft.
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Yep, Wennberg will be 22y next season and Jenner 23y, they aren't in their primes yet, so he doesn't know yet what's their ceiling.
If Wennberg can develop into around 60 point C and Jenner 50-60 point C is C group still a problem?
If Pulju keeps developing he can carry a line, he can become dominating winger, and only thing he doesn't do vs C is take faceoffs, he's all over the ice type of player.
Saad-Wennberg-Pulju, I believe can become a true top line.
And like said there's whole next season to focus on just that 1 problem if it still exists, no need to think too much this year, just draft the franchise prospect and enjoy.
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Ha
looks like I forgot to write Jenner.But my point was if Pulju develops as expected he doesn't need a franchise C to his line, of course it would be great but I don't think it's a must.
This whole thing is getting so silly. Will be very cathartic when Jarmo walks to the podium and selects Pulju and heads explode all over Western Canada.
WannabeFinn
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You mean when Ville Siren announces the pick and somehow butchers the name even though it's Finnish?
CBJWerenski8
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You mean when Ville Siren announces the pick and somehow butchers the name even though it's Finnish?
"Jack Werenski"
WannabeFinn
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"Jack Werenski"
Shunny Melano and Jack Werenski
Also, JD in that vid. I totally forgot how awkward he was
Lempo
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You mean when Ville Siren announces the pick and somehow butchers the name even though it's Finnish?
Patrik Laine butchered his own just recently in the Canadian TV thingy with Matthews and the other projected Canadian team picks.
Switching from English to Finnish pronunciation mode mid-sentence is hard!
Jessi Pylly-yrvi it is.
niflheim
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I respect Your opinion. You are diehard fan as every CBJ fan needs to be. Calm and smiling, not nervous nor panicking. I think our scout staff is enough professional to make right decisions, at least our youngsters play now in AHL final. If they thinking about Brown and/or Keller, I quess they have reasons to do so. I know that they know that Jarmo knows
I wish I don't know so much about Brown ( and Keller) and watched his play only some times, but he isn't totally bad. Very physical and strong player, he can be C as we like. Keller below 6" but he can be game breaker for us.
Can we theoretically send our #3 + Hartnell ( or Bobrovsky)to Flames for # 6 ++? I can't offer our David because he has very weak health and can be injured during travel to Calgary
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The thing we don't know is how Jarmo, and our scouts, have ranked these players. Who knows if they have had the same top 3 as the media has had. Also, players get better, especially at this young of an age. I follow recruiting for football and basketball. Some players improve a ton between 16-20 years old (for example) and some kind of stay the same. We may have the same top 3 as most, but there are tons of reasons why we may not. Again, I trust Jarmo and our scouts when it comes to evaluating prospects.
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Normally I trust them completely, but with the rest of the hockey community having such a consensus it really makes me wary. Do I believe Jarmo or do I believe 99% of the rest of the community (likely including other GM's and scouting networks)? As a jaded fan, I gotta go with the 99%.
Plus (and this shouldn't factor in to the decision), it's nicer as a fan to have the team win the 3rd overall pick in the lottery, use that pick, and be able to say "we came away with a top-3 player in a draft widely believed to have an elite top-3 before a fall off in talent."
We don't know what most of the hockey people who matter (GM's/scouts) think. Again, we may have Puljujärvi in the top 3 and way ahead of the next group of prospects. We may not. We may like someone more. Someone may have improved a ton. Just no way of knowing. For me, when it comes to recruiting and drafting, I trust the coaches/GM's who have proven they know what they are doing.
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I think the consensus is drawn from what GM's and scouts think rather than just pundits. But more than that, if there's a demand for the 3rd overall pick that's enough to justify trading down, that means that a few GM's are sold on Puljujarvi.
In the case someone trades up, that means one party is wrong. Either Puljujarvi is the better player than whomever is taken 6th (for example) in which case Jarmo is wrong. Or the player taken at 6th is as good as or better than Puljujarvi, in which case the GM that traded up was wrong.
I'd rather it not be an us versus them situation. I'd rather Jarmo make the safe pick at 3. This high up in the draft, it's not about position at all. It's all simply about drafting the best player available.
I get what you are saying. We just don't agree. You think picking one of the top 3 is the safe pick, because that is what we have been told. That may be right. It may also be wrong. I'd rather Jarmo make the picks he thinks is right. I think Jarmo has proven he won't make a pick based on anything other than who he, and his scouts, think is best.
The fact is, we don't know anything. GM's don't always tell the truth. They use the media. We may be doing this to raise the value of our pick, because we are close on a trade and want more. We may be doing this just to make other teams waste their time when we have no attention of trading the pick. We may be doing this just to see if someone is crazy enough to offer us a GREAT deal.
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niflheim
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Here Brock Otten opinion about Brown
"Unlike many seem to be insinuating, Brown did not come out of nowhere these last few months. Has he risen with a strong second half and U18's? Absolutely. But we can't forget that Brown was a projected top 10 pick coming into the year. He led all 1998's in scoring in the OHL last year (as a rookie). But a poor showing at the Ivan Hlinka camp, followed by an average start (and poor middle) to the OHL season saw him drop to the late first round on many lists. But he was flat out dominant late in the year. In the final 24 games he had 38 points, including 12 multi point games. Then he put up 12 points for the U.S. at the U18's to help them capture the Bronze. But the rise is more than just production based. It's how he was doing it. The knock on Brown has always been his inability to use his size to dominate the middle of the ice consistently, in addition to a wavering intensity level without the puck. He's always been fantastic along the wall, and off the rush, using his size to protect the puck. But the second half of the year, it was like the light finally went on and Brown realized how dominant he could be if he started attacking the net with consistency. Currently listed at 6'6, he might even be bigger than that now. When he makes that power move to the middle of the ice, putting defenders on his back, he's nearly unstoppable. And he has great vision, so when he starts drawing extra attention, it opens up so many opportunities for his linemates. Better yet, I think there's even more potential there, when he improves his confidence in his shot, as he's got a good one. Not a huge fan of comparisons, but sometimes when I watch Brown play, I get a real Mats Sundin vibe from him. It'll be really interesting to see where Brown lands on draft day, that's for sure"
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.fi/2016/05/my-final-top-50-ohl-players-for-2016_20.html
Mats Sundin not bad, not bad
"Unlike many seem to be insinuating, Brown did not come out of nowhere these last few months. Has he risen with a strong second half and U18's? Absolutely. But we can't forget that Brown was a projected top 10 pick coming into the year. He led all 1998's in scoring in the OHL last year (as a rookie). But a poor showing at the Ivan Hlinka camp, followed by an average start (and poor middle) to the OHL season saw him drop to the late first round on many lists. But he was flat out dominant late in the year. In the final 24 games he had 38 points, including 12 multi point games. Then he put up 12 points for the U.S. at the U18's to help them capture the Bronze. But the rise is more than just production based. It's how he was doing it. The knock on Brown has always been his inability to use his size to dominate the middle of the ice consistently, in addition to a wavering intensity level without the puck. He's always been fantastic along the wall, and off the rush, using his size to protect the puck. But the second half of the year, it was like the light finally went on and Brown realized how dominant he could be if he started attacking the net with consistency. Currently listed at 6'6, he might even be bigger than that now. When he makes that power move to the middle of the ice, putting defenders on his back, he's nearly unstoppable. And he has great vision, so when he starts drawing extra attention, it opens up so many opportunities for his linemates. Better yet, I think there's even more potential there, when he improves his confidence in his shot, as he's got a good one. Not a huge fan of comparisons, but sometimes when I watch Brown play, I get a real Mats Sundin vibe from him. It'll be really interesting to see where Brown lands on draft day, that's for sure"
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.fi/2016/05/my-final-top-50-ohl-players-for-2016_20.html
Mats Sundin
not bad, not bad
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I have no issue with drafting Logan Brown as our next
#1 centreman. Just don't give away Hossa in the process. Give away whatever you need to to come back up in the 1st round but make Brown the 2nd CBJ pick not the 1st.
Our scouting team from Jarmo down have done pretty well in later rounds finding good players, we don't need them to perform any magic in this case just take Matthews, Laine or Puljujarvi
#1 centreman. Just don't give away Hossa in the process. Give away whatever you need to to come back up in the 1st round but make Brown the 2nd CBJ pick not the 1st.
Our scouting team from Jarmo down have done pretty well in later rounds finding good players, we don't need them to perform any magic in this case just take Matthews, Laine or Puljujarvi
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No I mean't our first true power forward.. Nash floated to much, & Horton was already shot by the time he got here. Puljujarvi will be our first true power forward. It is amazing what having a Hossa like player does for the rest of the team ES, PP, PK just an all around hoss.
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