Fine, but 80 points isn't "awful", it's about .500. And with the influx of hungry young talent, and the probability of our veterans not all collectively crapping the bed again, I don't see this team finishing in the bottom 5.
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Fine, but 80 points isn't "awful", it's about .500. And with the influx of hungry young talent, and the probability of our veterans not all collectively crapping the bed again, I don't see this team finishing in the bottom 5.
= it means that Your prognosis far more realistic that last years predictions. Then every paparazzi in every corner cried that we ll fight in Conf final, that we are unstoppable team
Catharsis was really great
As they in the states: fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.
The .500 things works in other sports where it's a win or loss in 99% of outcomes. An average record in the NHL is 90-92 points. We were one of 3-4 worst teams out of 30 so I think Bad may be better terminology.
Bottom 5? Hope you're right (and based upon our payroll and talent would hope so). But I would guess bottom 10 is a good bet.
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Couldn't they put top3 protection on it?
Leaving the draft with Pulju and Brown could be game changing for the team.
Would potentially have all the pieces needed for contending.
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Here is a very detailed look at Logan brown . His scoring is way below other centers, for example Brassard.... But he does have size .
Brown’s scoring from his junior year was just below that of the truly elite major junior attackers of the last 11 seasons. So it’s unlikely he projects as a true No. 1 centre in the NHL, but he has a chance to be a helluva force as a #2 centre for some NHL team for a long time to come.
http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...own-is-top-centre-in-nhl-draft-says-his-coach
If we leave this draft without taking Puljujarvi, it may be time for me to go back to rooting for the red wings , like I did prior to the jackets coming to Columbus , or maybe Pittsburgh
And I read a page back , someone proposing trading Korpi, as a package to get Brown . Replace that with Forsberg . Korpi was clearly the better goalie between him and Forsberg , at the nhl level, and Korpi was dominant in his first 6 games in ahl playoffs , my guess is he ran out of steam , and had 2 bad games . His numbers prior , were stellar . No way I'm putting Forsberg above Korpi, based on Forsberg having a hot playoffs , the defense has been much better in front of Forsberg , and I think this is why the monsters are 1 win away .
Brown’s scoring from his junior year was just below that of the truly elite major junior attackers of the last 11 seasons. So it’s unlikely he projects as a true No. 1 centre in the NHL, but he has a chance to be a helluva force as a #2 centre for some NHL team for a long time to come.
http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...own-is-top-centre-in-nhl-draft-says-his-coach
If we leave this draft without taking Puljujarvi, it may be time for me to go back to rooting for the red wings , like I did prior to the jackets coming to Columbus , or maybe Pittsburgh
And I read a page back , someone proposing trading Korpi, as a package to get Brown . Replace that with Forsberg . Korpi was clearly the better goalie between him and Forsberg , at the nhl level, and Korpi was dominant in his first 6 games in ahl playoffs , my guess is he ran out of steam , and had 2 bad games . His numbers prior , were stellar . No way I'm putting Forsberg above Korpi, based on Forsberg having a hot playoffs , the defense has been much better in front of Forsberg , and I think this is why the monsters are 1 win away .
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We absolutely have the ammo to trade up to get Brown. The trade you have there doesn't make a lot of sense, but we have no shortage of pieces to get Brown if we want him.
I'm not enamored enough with Brown to trade up to 4th or anywhere near that to get him. If he's still available at #10, then send Rychel+JJ or something similar for him.
Brown is going to take some development. As a #1C he is very much a project. I don't think he speeds anything up.
I think they'll be better than 25th but there isn't necessarily much difference between 15th and 25th in terms of points. A couple injuries, a few more losses, and you end up sliding way down the standings. That and the lottery is real people!
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We went from looking at a very solid 2nd/3rd line prospect, to a guy with an outside shot at being a 1st line regular.
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He's only .09 ppg behind Sean Monahan. And I'm not sure how many behind Jonathan Toews because he wasn't on the list.
But I am concerned he is way behind Sam Gagner.
Bottom line that list doesn't prove much, if anything. I'll take Jarmo & the scouts opinion.
But I am concerned he is way behind Sam Gagner.
Didn't Gagner center Patrick Kane? Also he may be caught the oiler virus for which there is no cure
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If Logan Brown drops to around #10 overall, I would be more comfortable in considering a deal to try and trade back into the 1st round. However, I would not include the 2017 first round pick in trying to trade back into the 1st round..
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So if our 2017 1st is off the board then what do we offer for 10th? Colorado holds that pick. JJ + 34th OA, maybe? Not even sure Colorado is interested in that.
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Hypothetically, they want defenseman and I'm sure NHL ready talent. So, in order to go up from 34 to 10, I'm sure it would require something like...
JJ + Bjorkstrand + 34 OR
JJ + Rychel + Another prospect + 34
It's not going to be cheap. I'm not even sure these would be enough, but it might spark interest. I don't think it's worth it.
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You'd have to work in Rychel or Korpi or Anderson. Maybe even Milano. Milano + JJ. That's kind of an overpay, but if Jarmo likes Brown enough it's plausible.
They would get laughed at if they asked for either of those packages. We aren't talking about a top 3 pick. If they want that, then they can keep the pick.
If Bjorkstrand is included, I'm laughing. Otherwise it's sensible if you want Brown that much. JJ and Rychel aren't prized players, certainly not to us.
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Agree but if I give this up I'm not giving #34-maybe our third.
Edit: Round - not THE third.
Yes, if it was just those 2. I'm not adding another prospect and a high 2nd round pick. If they don't want that, fine.
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http://thehockeywriters.com/columbus-blue-jackets-trade-offers-for-3rd-overall-pick/
Wonder if they do make a deal if they get the center they feel they need?
Wonder if they do make a deal if they get the center they feel they need?
Do the Monsters have any Avalanche property laying around the Q? If so, we could include the safe return of said items to Denver in the deal as "future considerations".
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