2016 Draft Thread III (June 24-25, 7PM)

[LetsGOJackets!!]

we cannot screw this up if we just stick to the script

Matthews or Laine
but more than 98% likely Jesse Puljijarvi

then Dubois, Tkachuk, Brown, Keller

Like everyone else I covet a big top line centre.. but I welcome the top line RW that we have never had before.

 

[Seachd]

Haven't been able to find audio on this yet, but I've seen two people mention this. I'll put an audio link up if it becomes available.

From Flames Draft Watcher, a poster here who heard it:

"Anybody hear Jeff Marek on Fan960 at noon? Said he's heard CBJ is bringing Logan Brown in for a full day. Suggested they aren't married to Jesse Puljujarvi.

Likely due diligence bringing Brown in, but someone else suggesting we're not quite sure what Columbus will do.

 

[BigRangy]

Columbus, if you guys manage to mess this up by not taking Pulju, please mess up in such a way that Pulju does not go to Edmonton. That is all. He deserves better.

 

[Cowumbus]

Haven't been able to find audio on this yet, but I've seen two people mention this. I'll put an audio link up if it becomes available.

From Flames Draft Watcher, a poster here who heard it:

"Anybody hear Jeff Marek on Fan960 at noon? Said he's heard CBJ is bringing Logan Brown in for a full day. Suggested they aren't married to Jesse Puljujarvi.

Likely due diligence bringing Brown in, but someone else suggesting we're not quite sure what Columbus will do.

Columbus, if you guys manage to mess this up by not taking Pulju, please mess up in such a way that Pulju does not go to Edmonton. That is all. He deserves better.

Is it for sure we don't want Jesse? Or we move players + picks to move back into the top 10 for Brown?

 

[Jackets16]

Haven't been able to find audio on this yet, but I've seen two people mention this. I'll put an audio link up if it becomes available.

From Flames Draft Watcher, a poster here who heard it:

"Anybody hear Jeff Marek on Fan960 at noon? Said he's heard CBJ is bringing Logan Brown in for a full day. Suggested they aren't married to Jesse Puljujarvi.

Likely due diligence bringing Brown in, but someone else suggesting we're not quite sure what Columbus will do.

It means they are doing their job. They have to be ready for every scenario. What if a team offers them an amazing trade and they didn't prepare themselves to draft anyone other than the top 3? They need to be prepared for whatever can happen.

 

[Cowumbus]

If we don't pick Jesse I will be extremely disappointed. Only way I would be okay is if we have a 1C and Clarkson/Tyutin/Campbell gone somehow as well.

 

[alphafox]

Honestly if there is one thing that I am not worried about it is who we are going to draft if there is one unarguable thing the organization has done well since Jarmo took over it is draft. Personally I think Puljujarvi is a clear class below Laine and Matthews and a step above the next class of players, however I also think that a trade back for Brown could be a great move for the team.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Only reason not to take Puljujarvi is if one of the Leafs or Jets go off-script and Laine is available.

 

[Xoggz22]

Haven't been able to find audio on this yet, but I've seen two people mention this. I'll put an audio link up if it becomes available.

From Flames Draft Watcher, a poster here who heard it:

"Anybody hear Jeff Marek on Fan960 at noon? Said he's heard CBJ is bringing Logan Brown in for a full day. Suggested they aren't married to Jesse Puljujarvi.

Likely due diligence bringing Brown in, but someone else suggesting we're not quite sure what Columbus will do.

People continue to think Brown as a replacement for Puljujarvi... Maybe they should start to interject that the CBJ may be trying to obtain ANOTHER 1st round pick to pick Brown. That is the more realistic scenario. They are rich on the wing (NHL and NHL Ready players), will add an elite wing and have a deep pipeline that likely doesn't need a lot of prospects added.

 

[Jackets16]

People continue to think Brown as a replacement for Puljujarvi... Maybe they should start to interject that the CBJ may be trying to obtain ANOTHER 1st round pick to pick Brown. That is the more realistic scenario. They are rich on the wing (NHL and NHL Ready players), will add an elite wing and have a deep pipeline that likely doesn't need a lot of prospects added.

Honestly if there is one thing that I am not worried about it is who we are going to draft if there is one unarguable thing the organization has done well since Jarmo took over it is draft. Personally I think Puljujarvi is a clear class below Laine and Matthews and a step above the next class of players, however I also think that a trade back for Brown could be a great move for the team.

I agree with both of you.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Puljujarvi is NOT a clear class below Laine or Matthews. He's arguably right with them. The only reason he isn't getting much talk is he's not been hyped up for 3-4 years (Matthews), and doesn't talk a strong game as a dynamic goal scorer (Laine). These three players are all FRANCHISE types.

 

[Eikka]

I think there's a real possibility that jets draft Puljujärvi. I read that some jets scouts prefer him over Laine. Sometimes it takes only one scout to convince the gm. This happened in 2013 with Barkov. One finnish scout insisted Tallon to draft Barkov and basically put his job on the line.

If Puljujärvi goes #2, I wouldn't be surprised if cbj passes on Laine. JK is a man of order and discipline who values work ethic and team first mentality very highly.

I like what I hear about this Brown kid so if it's going to be him, great. Although the current FO might not have enough time to wait for him to develop into what has been projected.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I think there's a real possibility that jets draft Puljujärvi. I read that some jets scouts prefer him over Laine. Sometimes it takes only one scout to convince the gm. This happened in 2013 with Barkov. One finnish scout insisted Tallon to draft Barkov and basically put his job on the line.

If Puljujärvi goes #2, I wouldn't be surprised if cbj passes on Laine. JK is a man of order and discipline who values work ethic and team first mentality very highly.

I like what I hear about this Brown kid so if it's going to be him, great. Although the current FO might not have enough time to wait for him to develop into what has been projected.

IF the Jets take Pulju, Jarmo will run up there to take Laine. He called Laine special. He doesn't pass up on special.

 

[hardkorejackets]

I never thought there would be this much debate about this third pick and what we will do..
If Puljujarvi isn't taken, then we rush up and take Laine.

I can't see a team making an outlandish enough offer to move up to the 3rd pick for us to trade down. If anything, we are scouting Logan Brown in case he does drop in the draft and we can put an offer in to get him (Rychel + 2nd round pick). From what I've read, predicting the draft order this year will be especially difficult after pick 4 or 5..

 

[Samkow]

I'd likely be okay with trading down to get Logan Brown if they're enamored with him. Taking him at 3rd overall just seems stupid though. I get that GMs rank players a hell of a lot differently than fans/media types do but I don't think anyone's remotely suggesting that there isn't a clear top 3 in this draft.

 

[EspenK]

I'd likely be okay with trading down to get Logan Brown if they're enamored with him. Taking him at 3rd overall just seems stupid though. I get that GMs rank players a hell of a lot differently than fans/media types do but I don't think anyone's remotely suggesting that there isn't a clear top 3 in this draft.

I agree but I like major's suggestion of drafting one of the Finns at 3 and then trading for Brown when he is picked. Takes the risk out of trading down.

Best strategy,imo, is take the available Finn at 3 then try and put a package together for Brown. Some combo of 2017 1st, Rychel, #34 pick, a D prospect not named Werenski, some other prospect not named Bjorkstrand - maybe Korpi or Forsberg. Just depends on how much they want Brown.

 

[Samkow]

I agree but I like major's suggestion of drafting one of the Finns at 3 and then trading for Brown when he is picked. Takes the risk out of trading down.

Best strategy,imo, is take the available Finn at 3 then try and put a package together for Brown. Some combo of 2017 1st, Rychel, #34 pick, a D prospect not named Werenski, some other prospect not named Bjorkstrand - maybe Korpi or Forsberg. Just depends on how much they want Brown.

I wouldn't give up our 2017 pick under any circumstances. We're going to be awful next year.

 

[niflheim]

I wouldn't give up our 2017 pick under any circumstances. We're going to be awful next year.

 

[DJA]

I wouldn't give up our 2017 pick under any circumstances. We're going to be awful next year.

"awful"? I get we might not be playoff team, but I don't see how you are getting that the team will be awful.

 

[EspenK]

I wouldn't give up our 2017 pick under any circumstances. We're going to be awful next year.

"awful"? I get we might not be playoff team, but I don't see how you are getting that the team will be awful.

They could overachieve like the Avs of 2 years ago or they could be 2015-16 Jackets redux. Hard to tell with this team.

Plus i don't get the angst over trading next year's 1 for a 1 this year?
I wouldn't load it up to get Brown but 2107 1st plus Rychel, for example, done deal imo.

 

[alphafox]

I agree but I like major's suggestion of drafting one of the Finns at 3 and then trading for Brown when he is picked. Takes the risk out of trading down.

Best strategy,imo, is take the available Finn at 3 then try and put a package together for Brown. Some combo of 2017 1st, Rychel, #34 pick, a D prospect not named Werenski, some other prospect not named Bjorkstrand - maybe Korpi or Forsberg. Just depends on how much they want Brown.

Honestly I did not think we had the ammo to go after Brown, but after really looking at the pieces a trade back into the top 6 actually might be doable, without completely gutting the organization.


Johnson+Rychel+Korpi+34 to Edmonton for the 4th overall? Gives Edm a power forward, A D improvement on a decent contract a goalie of the future and a high second for Brown.

Bottom line is we have the ammo to make something happen without mortgaging the future, the question is can we find a deal to be made.

 

[Samkow]

"awful"? I get we might not be playoff team, but I don't see how you are getting that the team will be awful.

There are a million threads on this so all I'll say is I don't see the team will be a whole lot different from the team we trotted out last season. Removing the Richards coached games, we project out to about an 80 point pace. For reference, we finished with 76 this season.

Maybe we'll surprise but given the ramifications of potentially losing out on a top 5 pick, Jarmo would potentially throwing away a very good 2017 chip for a player who's not going to help us now.

 

[niflheim]

There are a million threads on this so all I'll say is I don't see the team will be a whole lot different from the team we trotted out last season. Removing the Richards coached games, we project out to about an 80 point pace. For reference, we finished with 76 this season.

Maybe we'll surprise but given the ramifications of potentially losing out on a top 5 pick, Jarmo would potentially throwing away a very good 2017 chip for a player who's not going to help us now.

= it means that Your prognosis far more realistic that last years predictions. Then every paparazzi in every corner cried that we ll fight in Conf final, that we are unstoppable team Catharsis was really great

 

[JacketsDavid]

There are a million threads on this so all I'll say is I don't see the team will be a whole lot different from the team we trotted out last season. Removing the Richards coached games, we project out to about an 80 point pace. For reference, we finished with 76 this season.

Maybe we'll surprise but given the ramifications of potentially losing out on a top 5 pick, Jarmo would potentially throwing away a very good 2017 chip for a player who's not going to help us now.

I agree there is a high probability we end up with a top 8 pick next season. So it's not worth trading for a high teen, early 20 pick.

 

[EspenK]

I agree there is a high probability we end up with a top 8 pick next season. So it's not worth trading for a high teen, early 20 pick.

I agree except Brown projects as a top 10 with 1 or 2C potential.
If the Jackets see him as that why not move up the process by a year? I don't see the harm. I also have no clue as to next year's draft class so if there are 5 or 6 top C's then I get waiting.